New film to focus on black on black violence in Chicago

[slieb85]

I've been a CASA volunteer for almost seven years.

But, I guess somebody's got to do the fluffy stuff. So thanks to you and your law students.

Lol. You're such a knight. Someone should buy you a cookie. I hope the people receiving your help really appreciate your sanctimonious ass telling them how they should be empowered.

Also I think you're pretty naive to call what we do "fluffy". I guess having a kid from south-side Jamaica Queens talking to a 3rd grader from inner city Chicago about how he made it out and is now in law school is pretty fluffy.

 

[slieb85]

Also shocking that the rest of the post went ignored. Because it doesn't fit your narrative that liberals patronize and conservatives empower?

 

[22*43*51]

Lol. You're such a knight. Someone should buy you a cookie.

Don't be mad because I "out-knighted" you.

You are just pretentious enough to think that your experiences trump everyone else's on this board, therefore your views are the only ones that are true.

I used to be at that age too.

 

[TexMichFan]

That's interesting. I'm curious as to what Rahm's problem with the film is specifically. He has certainly not been one to hide away from Chicago violence.

I will go back to my original point of not wanting his city portrayed in a bad light no matter who gets the blame for it in the film. Bottom line no matter where the fault is placed he has not been able to fix the problem so far.

 

[22*43*51]

Also shocking that the rest of the post went ignored. Because it doesn't fit your narrative that liberals patronize and conservatives empower?

When did I make a sweeping statement like that?

Don't fabricate a narrative and try to stick it on me.

 

[slieb85]

Don't be mad because I "out-knighted" you.

You are just pretentious enough to think that your experiences trump everyone else's on this board, therefore your views are the only ones that are true.

I used to be at that age too.

No. I'm just bright enough to know that either you haven't had any real experiences, or you haven't learned anything from them.

Glad we cleared that up.

 

[slieb85]

I just hope his message is empowering.

The black community is all too often patronized instead.

When did I make a sweeping statement like that?

Don't fabricate a narrative and try to stick it on me.

Clear it up for me.

Who do you claim is patronizing them?

 

[22*43*51]

Clear it up for me.

Who do you claim is patronizing them?

I didn't specifically. I certainly didn't use a blanket statement about a group, or profession.

Like "all Piggys". etc.

 

[herkyhawk00]

Why do you feel it necessary to attempt to diminish the struggle that inner-city people face? Does it make you feel good to know you had infinitely more advantages and opportunities growing up than they did?

No. It's not my intent to diminish the struggles that I know many grow up in. I realize those struggles are very real and many kids have infinite numbers of obstacles to overcome while they are even in the womb. They are not given a chance. I feel the most major obstacle facing many is the absence of a family and involved parents. That is the primary positive influence many of these people lack.

Having said this, I have dealt with many youth that have a vast number of resources available to them, so many people looking out for them and trying to help them, but fail to make an impact. There are always options outside of joining a gang and killing people, but the culture in which many of these kids grow up in desensitizes them to how dysfunctional the lives of those around them are.

 

[aflachawk]

I will go back to my original point of not wanting his city portrayed in a bad light no matter who gets the blame for it in the film. Bottom line no matter where the fault is placed he has not been able to fix the problem so far.

Rather than worrying about a bad light isn't it more important to portray the situation in a truthful light?

 

[slieb85]

I didn't specifically. I certainly didn't use a blanket statement about a group, or profession.

Like "all Piggys". etc.

Oink oink.

So I'm giving you the chance to do it now. Who is patronizing black people? All too often they are patronized, that's your claim. By whom?

 

[slieb85]

No. It's not my intent to diminish the struggles that I know many grow up in. I realize those struggles are very real and many kids have infinite numbers of obstacles to overcome while they are even in the womb. They are not given a chance. I feel the most major obstacle facing many is the absence of a family and involved parents. That is the primary positive influence many of these people lack.

Having said this, I have dealt with many youth that have a vast number of resources available to them, so many people looking out for them and trying to help them, but fail to make an impact. There are always options outside of joining a gang and killing people, but the culture in which many of these kids grow up in desensitizes them to how dysfunctional the lives of those around them are.

And that is a rational and reasonable post. Your first one, however, was not. Good job on clarifying. Perhaps next time you won't choose to mock the issues other's face in order to score some points.

 

[slieb85]

Rather than worrying about a bad light isn't it more important to portray the situation in a truthful light?

Yes it is.

 

[TexMichFan]

Rather than worrying about a bad light isn't it more important to portray the situation in a truthful light?

Sure but we are talking about politicians and they hate to be made to look bad.

 

[22*43*51]

Oink oink.

So I'm giving you the chance to do it now. Who is patronizing black people? All too often they are patronized, that's your claim. By whom?

People who would make these broad statements. They come from both sides of the aisle and all forms of leadership.

It is a short-cut around thinking and problem solving.

Yeah, no jobs opportunities, no recreational opportunities available, their teachers failed them, they were never given a chance in society due to their race, lack of resources available to help them cope with the various life struggles..........

 

[slieb85]

I didn't specifically. I certainly didn't use a blanket statement about a group, or profession.

Like "all Piggys". etc.

Put another way. Who do you think your line is most frequently attributed to? What type of person would an outsider generally believe said what you said?

Here's someone who is saying exactly what I'm saying you meant by that comment. Perhaps you meant something else. I'll give you the chance to explain how your comments differ from Dr. Carson's.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-empowerment-message-in-bid-to-sway/?page=all

 

[dgordo]

I will go back to my original point of not wanting his city portrayed in a bad light no matter who gets the blame for it in the film. Bottom line no matter where the fault is placed he has not been able to fix the problem so far.

Agreed, its about the way the the film will portray the city. But to be fair this isn't a rahm issue, the murder rate has fallen every year he has been mayor.

 

[TexMichFan]

Agreed, its about the way the the film will portray the city. But to be fair this isn't a rahm issue, the murder rate has fallen every year he has been mayor.

Unfortunately perception is bigger than reality. I agree it isn't a Emanuel issue but if this adds to the perception it will just be that much bigger of a negative.

 

[INXS83]

Never one to miss an opportunity to turn a tragedy into political points, amirite?

Truth hurts, eh Judas?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Also shocking that the rest of the post went ignored. Because it doesn't fit your narrative that liberals patronize and conservatives empower?

Liberals and both conservatives both patronize. Liberals do it with intending to, and some conservatives do it with the full intention of doing so.

Ask a black person what they really think about the words white privilege. I don't think you need to ask them what they think about discrimination from a racist, but I'm willing to bet that you'd be surprised what a lot of them have to say about white privilege.

Clue,...it's not flattering to them.

 

[slieb85]

Truth hurts, eh Judas?

That you find the despair and destruction in black neighborhoods entertaining, comparable to a fictional movie?

Yeah, I dunno why that would hurt me. Just shows you're a clown.

 

[slieb85]

Liberals and both conservatives both patronize. Liberals do it with intending to, and some conservatives do it with the full intention of doing so.

Ask a black person what they really think about the words white privilege. I don't think you need to ask them what they think about discrimination from a racist, but I'm willing to bet that you'd be surprised what a lot of them have to say about white privilege.

Clue,...it's not flattering to them.

I dunno, I've never heard any of my black friends or classmates complain about the term. I would say I've heard 4-5 of them use it themselves when discussing things they perceive to be privileged. Perhaps it's an education/socio-economic difference, or perhaps I just have encountered people with different mindsets than you (gasp, black people aren't all of the exact same opinion on every matter???).

 

[linkshero]

I dunno, I've never heard any of my black friends or classmates complain about the term. I would say I've heard 4-5 of them use it themselves when discussing things they perceive to be privileged. Perhaps it's an education/socio-economic difference, or perhaps I just have encountered people with different mindsets than you (gasp, black people aren't all of the exact same opinion on every matter???).

then, it should just be privilege, and not white privilege then, am I right? Or in your mind is all privilege for whites only, and only white's can be privileged? But you and your friends are OK with the term because it fits within your narrative?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I dunno, I've never heard any of my black friends or classmates complain about the term. I would say I've heard 4-5 of them use it themselves when discussing things they perceive to be privileged. Perhaps it's an education/socio-economic difference, or perhaps I just have encountered people with different mindsets than you (gasp, black people aren't all of the exact same opinion on every matter???).

Because I doubt they'd like to hear about how much more privileged you are than them.

 

[slieb85]

then, it should just be privilege, and not white privilege then, am I right? Or in your mind is all privilege for whites only, and only white's can be privileged? But you and your friends are OK with the term because it fits within your narrative?

I don't know if you gather what white privilege is.

White privilege is not an act. It's not universal. It is not, even when present, necessarily noticeable or easily defined.

No, not all privilege is for whites, and no, not only white's can be privileged.

White privilege, however, is a specific privilege that is afforded to whites, by others where they are afforded (usually subliminally) a greater latitude and understanding in their actions (among other things). For short-hand, think of it as "benefit of the doubt".

I imagine this confusion is because HP brought up white privilege in a thread that is not really about white privilege. It is a thread about generally better circumstances for whites than blacks, which some could say is a privilege (I know I found growing up in a stable community with good public schools and relatively little violence to be a privilege), but it most certainly isn't a white privilege.

Perhaps you're confused by my "socio-economic or education" line above. That line was meaning that their view on the term "white privilege" and it's existence/meaning might be influenced by their socio-economic situation or their level of education, not that they are privileged because of their socio-economic situations/education level (which they are, but that is a wholly different discussion).

 

[slieb85]

Because I doubt they'd like to hear about how much more privileged you are than them.

Why would they be afraid of discussing how much more privileged, under the context of white privilege?

Maybe you too don't understand it?

This summer I lived with one Chinese kid and one black kid. We joked often about that stuff. We joked about the sliding scale of shit we can pull in public, from me being able to get away with the most, Warren somewhere in the middle, and Jarrett the least.

 

[herkyhawk00]

And that is a rational and reasonable post. Your first one, however, was not. Good job on clarifying. Perhaps next time you won't choose to mock the issues other's face in order to score some points.

Oh brother........smh......I would hope that the film chooses to empower the people of Chicago and point out the problems that they themselves control (education, broken families, ethics, etc). If the film wants to offer solutions and such to improving the lives of these people, I am ok with that. However, I hope the film chooses to show that those people are more accountable and responsible for what their lives are like than anything society has either done or not done for them.

 

[linkshero]

Why would they be afraid of discussing how much more privileged, under the context of white privilege?

Maybe you too don't understand it?

This summer I lived with one Chinese kid and one black kid. We joked often about that stuff. We joked about the sliding scale of shit we can pull in public, from me being able to get away with the most, Warren somewhere in the middle, and Jarrett the least.

and you attribute all your life lessons only to skin color, and not socio economic status, or behavior. You are your own worst enemy. But your desire to push a racist narrative is just as damaging. Does it make it right? To promote racism? because that is what you are doing.

 

[slieb85]

and you attribute all your life lessons only to skin color, and not socio economic status, or behavior. You are your own worst enemy. But your desire to push a racist narrative is just as damaging. Does it make it right? To promote racism? because that is what you are doing.

How do you think that I only attribute my life lessons to skin color as opposed to a myriad of other reasons?

Because I recognize that at times, skin color plays a role?

You're reaching, and you're wrong.

And what's worse, is you're saying that I'm promoting a racism, because I recognize that people can, and do, look at me and my actions differently than the actions of a black man, whereas you would prefer we just pretended this didn't exist.

I think the fundamental misunderstanding is that people like you seem to think that by recognizing that this exists, it automatically means I'm more willing to excuse behavior. Not true. Putting your head in the sand is never a better alternative than addressing and discussing what is going on.

 

[slieb85]

Oh brother........smh......I would hope that the film chooses to empower the people of Chicago and point out the problems that they themselves control (education, broken families, ethics, etc). If the film wants to offer solutions and such to improving the lives of these people, I am ok with that. However, I hope the film chooses to show that those people are more accountable and responsible for what their lives are like than anything society has either done or not done for them.

Well I think that's fairly arguable. I think you're drastically diminishing the effects of ever-present gang violence and poverty on children.

You want to blame the parents for putting the children in that place? Fine. But you also have to recognize that this problem didn't occur overnight and the parents, they too may have grown up under the exact same circumstances, which tend to lead to worse choices.

I think the discussion can be furthered if both sides agree that it's a combination of many factors. But when you categorically place blame on the individuals over the system, or system over the individuals, you're preventing any real discussion or progress.

 

[Vroom_C14]

And we all know Spike Lee is not a racist in anyway:

Filmmaker Spike Lee recently made some shocking remarks regarding the influx of white residents into traditionally black neighborhoods. Decades after the American civil rights movement marked the end of our shameful segregation policy, Lee apparently wants to bring back the institution by keeping Caucasians out of his New York neighborhood.

His lengthy rant, complete with the liberal use of profanity, left little doubt that he wants to maintain exclude whites “in the south Bronx, in Harlem, in Bed Stuy, in Crown Heights” and other traditionally black communities.

“You can’t just come in the neighborhood and start bogarting and say, like you’re [expletive] Columbus and kill off the Native Americans,” he said. Lee asserted that whites bring with them their culture and effectively ruin the experience of being black in such neighborhoods.

Willfully ignorant of the extreme hypocrisy of supporting a policy against whites that had been used against his race in previous generations, he said “a code” exists to keep his preferred communities exclusively black.

“I mean, they just move in the neighborhood,” he said. “You just can’t come in the neighborhood.”

While he claims he is “for democracy,” he complained that whites “can’t just come in when people have a culture that’s been laid down for generations….”

The raucous noise he came to identify with these communities, he explained, is now being threatened by whites.

“There were brothers playing [expletive] African drums in Mount Morris Park for 40 years and now they can’t do it anymore because the new inhabitants said the drums are loud,” he protested.

Lee further noted that, with the gentrification of these inner-city neighborhoods, public works and other services are improved. Apparently, this is something he feels should be discouraged.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/spike-lee-voices-profane-segregationist-rant-whites/

 

[herkyhawk00]

Well I think that's fairly arguable. I think you're drastically diminishing the effects of ever-present gang violence and poverty on children.

You want to blame the parents for putting the children in that place? Fine. But you also have to recognize that this problem didn't occur overnight and the parents, they too may have grown up under the exact same circumstances, which tend to lead to worse choices.

I think the discussion can be furthered if both sides agree that it's a combination of many factors. But when you categorically place blame on the individuals over the system, or system over the individuals, you're preventing any real discussion or progress.

No, I am saying that statistics show the damage of broken families do to a kid's psyche and development and that is something a vast majority of kids that live in those areas are exposed to. I am agreeing with you the neighborhoods these kids are living in are not conducive to making good choices and yes, the gang violence has and conditions that are present in these neighborhoods has been around for a number of decades. Of course it is a combination of factors. Like I said in my previous post, I hope the film chooses to point out that these people need to make better choices and not tell it like they are merely victims of a society that has banned them. It is a combination of things, absolutely.

 

[linkshero]

How do you think that I only attribute my life lessons to skin color as opposed to a myriad of other reasons?

Because I recognize that at times, skin color (can play) play(s) a role?

You're reaching, and you're wrong.

And what's worse, is you're saying that I'm promoting a racism, because I recognize that (some) people can, and do, look at me and my actions differently than the actions of a (some) black man (men), whereas you would prefer we just pretended this didn't exist (vague assumption based on no fact).

I think the fundamental misunderstanding is that people like you (categorization) seem to think that by recognizing that this exists, it automatically means I'm more willing to excuse behavior. Not true. Putting your head in the sand is never a better alternative than addressing and discussing what is going on.

semantics, I see what you are doing......

 

[slieb85]

semantics, I see what you are doing......

Lol. Reeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaching.

What's hilarious is this thread isn't about white privilege at all. HP brought that up because he clearly doesn't understand the concept. And then somehow I'm "perpetuating racism" in your eyes because I recognize that white privilege exists.

I'll give you one thing. You're doing a great job of distracting. You should be a magician in your next career.

 

[HallofFame]