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New Release of Clinton Emails Included 150 Classified.

What bothers me is that she was the Secretary Of State and never received any classified emails. Did they not trust her or did she not have clearance to get these types of emails?
I caught part of a Rubio interview a few nights ago and he said he has the same security clearance as Clinton had because of some committee he is on. He said he never receives classified information through email. It is always viewed from a different secure method.
 
State Department released another 7000 of Hillary's emails tonight. 150 were classified. So the total now is over 200 with 20,000 emails yet to be released.

And before the Hillary minions jump on board and tell us that the emails were not "marked" classified, once again that is irrelevant in regards to criminal violations of the Espionage Act.
So . . . you're saying that the State Department broke the law?

See, if that's what you are saying you have a beef, but only a tiny beef. Things like that happen and they are generally considered mistakes. Unless really serious stuff got out, somebody gets their wrist slapped and maybe procedures are tightened. BFD.

But I'm sure what you are really trying to say is that Hillary Clinton belongs in jail or shouldn't be president, or something along those lines. Yet SHE wasn't the one who released the classified info.

Come back down to earth and stop drinking the Kool Aid for a while.
 
I gotta call bullshit on this. The Espionage Act was written in 1917. Please explain to me how the use of private emails for sensitive information can be covered under this law?

See section (f) in the attached of 18 U.S. Code 793. That is the section that David Petraeus was prosecuted under and the section that the FBI is pursuing against Clinton. An email qualifies under this section of the code as a "document" and a "writing" so the code clearly covers email or any other communication method.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

You really are one of the least intelligent people I have ever encountered on this board. Not understanding that many laws passed centuries ago are still on the books and relevant is just classic for you. The laws have also been amended. So for you not knowing the fundamentals of how law making takes place in this country is just a text book illustration of your overwhelming ignorance.

So continue to live in the neighborhood of make believe and blame every thing on those GOP zealots in the Obama Justice Department. Loretta Lynch will find it interesting that you consider her part of the GOP conspiracy.

So as usual, the only bull shit is what's coming out of your brain.
 
So . . . you're saying that the State Department broke the law?

See, if that's what you are saying you have a beef, but only a tiny beef. Things like that happen and they are generally considered mistakes. Unless really serious stuff got out, somebody gets their wrist slapped and maybe procedures are tightened. BFD.

But I'm sure what you are really trying to say is that Hillary Clinton belongs in jail or shouldn't be president, or something along those lines. Yet SHE wasn't the one who released the classified info.

Come back down to earth and stop drinking the Kool Aid for a while.

Under the Espionage Act there is no consideration for "mistakes". Numerous cases of individuals working with sensitive documents exist were the violator was not only fired for making an honest, or clerical mistake, but they were also prosecuted. The mishandling of classified or sensitive documents is handled very aggressively.

David Patraeus was prosecuted and plead guilty for keeping his personal calendar during his time at the CIA locked in his desk drawer. The calendar contained the names of 5 individuals who's identities were considered classified. Hillary kept over 30,000 emails on an unprotected server that we now know was exposed to 1000 of individuals that did not have security clearance, not to mention the foreign governments that most likely hacked it. So the scope of information compromise is possibly bigger than any security breach in US History and is frankly unmeasurable.
 
Are the intelligence people who sent them in trouble? I would assume it would be against some type of rule to send top secret information to a personal email address.

If someone from the intelligence community does not properly mark a document as sensitive, then they are absolutely in trouble. Even if the mistake was just a clerical error. In fact, they are held to a hirer standard than Clinton would be. There have been cases where this has happened in the past and not only were those individuals fired from their jobs, they were criminally prosecuted. This is an issue that is taken very seriously.

Now that the FBI has the emails, they can go back to the original source of the emails and determine how they were sent. If they were sent properly and then there was some type of alteration made after Clinton received them, then that is a whole new layer of issues for Hillary. This is why the FBI wanted the server. They are trying to access the original footprint of these emails as they were received to determine what they looked like when they were received. There are reports that evidence does exist that some alterations to emails have been made, but the FBI won't confirm or deny that presently since it is an ongoing investigation.

The biggest misconception on this whole issue is that ignorance, or honest error is a defense. It is not. The Espionage Act makes no distinction and the history of Justice Department prosecution of violators also shows no distinction.
 
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Honestly it shows gross incompetence illegal or not. Everyone knows to keep your work and personal e-mails separate.

I have no belief that she will be charged with anything. Only the feds can charge her, Obama is ultimately in charge of the justice dept. . . He will never let her be charged unless he has to sacrifice her to save the party which is unlikely.

This is what I believe as well. Either she is too stupid to understand it, she is too lazy to take proper actions, or she is too old to understand how the world works today from a technological perspective.

Have any one of those three and you really are not a good choice for POTUS...not in today's world.
 
The biggest misconception on this whole issue is that Ignorance, or honest error is a defense. It is not. The Espionage Act makes no distinction and the history of Justice Department prosecution of violators also shows no distinction.

Your earlier link says "through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed". Is an honest mistake always gross negligence?
 
While I won't be voting for Hillary, I'm tired of the endless coverage of her email. I'd like to know when the FBI concludes what they're doing and drops the hammer on her or clears her. I believe there's more to their investigation than whether or not there were security breaches to her personal server.

I do find it a bit comical that Fox News is clinging to this story in an effort to not give Trump any coverage due to his treatment of Megyn Kelly. Though I would expect them to jump on the Ben Carson bandwagon any day now given his recent rise.
Like all the MS wouldn't be clinging to it if was a Rep...
 
The Democrats are going to dump her its just a matter of time.
She cant win because she cant get the middle anymore because people dont like or trust her!

She will also bring a low turnout from the left.
 
Under the Espionage Act there is no consideration for "mistakes". Numerous cases of individuals working with sensitive documents exist were the violator was not only fired for making an honest, or clerical mistake, but they were also prosecuted. The mishandling of classified or sensitive documents is handled very aggressively.

David Patraeus was prosecuted and plead guilty for keeping his personal calendar during his time at the CIA locked in his desk drawer. The calendar contained the names of 5 individuals who's identities were considered classified. Hillary kept over 30,000 emails on an unprotected server that we now know was exposed to 1000 of individuals that did not have security clearance, not to mention the foreign governments that most likely hacked it. So the scope of information compromise is possibly bigger than any security breach in US History and is frankly unmeasurable.
Since the scope of the information is 'unmeasurable', the Clinton camp will see that as being 'insignificant'.
 
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Call me names all you like, but you know as well as I do that the GOP still can't prove that Hillary did anything illegal. All we have from your side is the empty promise that she did.

The FBI is the one looking into this now. If nothing else, they are concerned that there are classified documents on that server. This isn't just the GOP, and the sooner you own up to that, the sooner you can stop posting the same tired line that all the GOP has is Hillary's use of a private server. F B I
 
Under the Espionage Act there is no consideration for "mistakes". Numerous cases of individuals working with sensitive documents exist were the violator was not only fired for making an honest, or clerical mistake, but they were also prosecuted. The mishandling of classified or sensitive documents is handled very aggressively.

David Patraeus was prosecuted and plead guilty for keeping his personal calendar during his time at the CIA locked in his desk drawer. The calendar contained the names of 5 individuals who's identities were considered classified. Hillary kept over 30,000 emails on an unprotected server that we now know was exposed to 1000 of individuals that did not have security clearance, not to mention the foreign governments that most likely hacked it. So the scope of information compromise is possibly bigger than any security breach in US History and is frankly unmeasurable.

Patraeus also gave a few documents that were considered classified to the woman writing his biography (oh, and he was boinking her).
 
yes. It was the calendar

You stated:

David Patraeus was prosecuted and plead guilty for keeping his personal calendar during his time at the CIA locked in his desk drawer. The calendar contained the names of 5 individuals who's identities were considered classified.


If he gave them to somebody else, is he actually being prosecuted just for keeping them in a locked desk drawer?
 
So, if she is not prosecuted by the FBI...what then?

I think a lot of you are going to be sorely disappointed.
 
The Democrats are going to dump her its just a matter of time.
She cant win because she cant get the middle anymore because people dont like or trust her!

She will also bring a low turnout from the left.

This is 100% spot on. She is a "low energy" candidate that just carries too much baggage to really get out any sort of vote.

She might get some of the women vote but if we are being honest ladies can be catty. The woman turnout will be lower than expected for her, the youth vote she can forget about, the black vote will turn-out more in lines with pre-Obama elections.

She really doesn't do much for anyone except the whites that long for the Bill Clinton days.
 
Patraeus also gave a few documents that were considered classified to the woman writing his biography (oh, and he was boinking her).
As I recall she had a security clearance. The problem, as I recall, he took out side the office
 
This is an example of why I don't really trust anything that you post to be correct. Every article I've read on this says he gave her more than just a calendar.

The other thing he gave her wasn't classified or illegal, Papa Bill did that in the Oval Office and got away with it.
 
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I'm thinking there's a lot of misunderstanding in this thread. There are really two things being discussed.

1. Was Hillary was using her private email for official business, talking shop, however you want to call it? As long as there was nothing classified being shared or being talked about, this is no big deal. Irregular? Maybe, but nothing illegal or outrageous.

2. Did Hillary have classified material on her email server? This is a MAJOR no no and should be, sounds like it is, investigated and charges brought if she did have it on her non-secured email server. I would say the same about anyone, Powell, Rice, Bush, Obama, whoever. If you have classified material stored in a non-secured environment, at minimum you are guilty of immense stupidity and should lose your job immediately. If you knew if was classified and did nothing to protect it, you belong in jail.
 
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Colin already admitted that he talked about official stuff right along side emails to his family and friends. Why aren't the Republicans demanding an investigation on him?
Did he stop getting and sending all emails from his official state dept email and have them all go to his own private server then scrub the server as soon as people started snooping around the issue? Of course not. Next dumb deflection?
 
So, if she is not prosecuted by the FBI...what then?

I think a lot of you are going to be sorely disappointed.

This goes to the heart of the trust issue. Most folks now identify Hillary as being a 'liar'. Also that she skirts along the edges of the law, and is seen as being above laws that most folks have to abide by. So, since it seems like there are quite a few people out there that don't understand the problem of having a private email server while being the Secretary of State and dealing with classified correspondence, most people feel find at least that Hillary is a liar and untrustworthy. Probably hard to get elected POTUS with that hanging over your head.
 
We have seen that the FBI doesnt mess around when it comes to classified material. From what the legal people who have been on Fox say, it doesnt matter if they were classified at the time or now, ignorance is not a defense. You simply cannot have those type of emails on a non secured server. There were also emails back and forth to George Mitchell where Hillary asks him to send the details of the head of state of another country to her private account. That is illegal under Obamas 2009 law.

This is no longer a GOP talking point. This is one of those areas where the FBI is just going to show up and arrest her.

The MSM looks like a complete joke on this story.
 
Not hard to do when you are dealing with WWJD and Huey. Not exactly mental giants on this board. Think what it would look like if I started to try.;)
Chief...that is a CHEAP shot, buddyboy. Are you the new "coff" now? You put things out here that seem awfully simple and I learned a long, long time ago, things are seldom simple and things are seldom what they seem. Do you KNOW what is happening here? I seriously doubt it.
Perhaps Ms. Clinton committed a criminal act. Perhaps she didn't. You don't know and I don't know. And, the media doesn't know either. In fact, right now, Congress doesn't know. The reason this story is a story at the present is because Hilary is running for POTUS ands appears to be the frontrunner, and the GOP HATES her.
If she's guilty, so be it. The Courts will settle this one way or the other. But to call folks names because they have a different opinion than yours is a bit more than childish and way below your usual additions to this board.
I am just curious Chief...If Hilary is exonerated, will you apologize publicly here?
 
Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.

“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.

“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.

Clinton’s use of a private e-mail server while she was secretary of state has been a nagging campaign issue for months. Critics have argued that the most serious problem is possible transmission of classified information through that server. Many of her former top aides have sought legal counsel. But experts in national-security law say there may be less here than it might appear.

Clinton has come under fire for using a private e-mail during her time as secretary of state. The e-mails are being screened and released in batches. Here are some things we’ve learned from them.
First, experts say, there’s no legal difference whether Clinton and her aides passed sensitive information using her private server or the official “state.gov” account that many now argue should have been used. Neither system is authorized for transmitting classified information. Second, prosecution of such violations is extremely rare. Lax security procedures are taken seriously, but they’re generally seen as administrative matters.

Potential criminal violations arise when officials knowingly disseminate documents marked as classified to unauthorized officials or on unclassified systems, or otherwise misuse classified materials. That happened in two cases involving former CIA directors that are cited as parallels for the Clinton e-mail issue, but are quite different. John Deutch was pardoned in 2001 for using an unsecured CIA computer at his home to improperly access classified material; he reportedly had been prepared to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. David Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in April for “knowingly” removing classified documents from authorized locations and retaining them at “unauthorized locations.” Neither case fits the fact pattern with the Clinton e-mails.

Clinton defended herself Aug. 18 with a carefully worded statement: “I did not send classified material, and I did not receive any material that was marked or designated classified.” Those may sound like weasel words, but they actually go to the heart of what might constitute a criminal case.

What happens in the real world of the State Department? Smith takes the hypothetical example of an assistant secretary who receives a classified cable from, say, Paris, about a meeting with the French foreign minister and wants quick guidance from the secretary. So he dashes off an e-mail — rather than sending a classified cable that would be seen by perhaps a dozen people.

“Technically, he has taken classified information and put it onto an unclassified system,” Smith said. “It’s the same as picking up a telephone and talking about it. It’s not right. But the challenge of getting the secretary’s attention — getting guidance when you need it — is an inevitable human, bureaucratic imperative. Is it a crime? Technically, perhaps yes. But it would never be prosecuted.”

Informal back channels existed long before e-mail. One former State Department official recalled the days when most embassies overseas had only a few phones authorized for secret communications. Rather than go to the executive office to make such a call, officers would use their regular phones, bypassing any truly sensitive details. “Did we cross red lines? No doubt. Did it put information at risk? Maybe. But, if you weren’t in Moscow or Beijing, you didn’t worry much,” this former official said.

Back channels are used because the official ones are so encrusted by classification and bureaucracy. State had the “Roger Channel,” named after former official Roger Hilsman, for sending secret messages directly to the secretary. The Joint Chiefs of Staff had a similar private channel. CIA station chiefs could send communications known as “Aardwolves” straight to the director.

Are these channels misused sometimes? Most definitely. Is there a crime here? Almost certainly not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...cabed8-4cf4-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html
 
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Under the Espionage Act there is no consideration for "mistakes". Numerous cases of individuals working with sensitive documents exist were the violator was not only fired for making an honest, or clerical mistake, but they were also prosecuted. The mishandling of classified or sensitive documents is handled very aggressively.

David Patraeus was prosecuted and plead guilty for keeping his personal calendar during his time at the CIA locked in his desk drawer. The calendar contained the names of 5 individuals who's identities were considered classified. Hillary kept over 30,000 emails on an unprotected server that we now know was exposed to 1000 of individuals that did not have security clearance, not to mention the foreign governments that most likely hacked it. So the scope of information compromise is possibly bigger than any security breach in US History and is frankly unmeasurable.
You seem to be missing the point. According to your OP it wasn't Clinton who released the classified stuff, it was the State Department.

So, as I said, you may have a beef with the State Department. But what's your beef with Clinton?
 
It has also now been discovered that her state department email was on the same network as the Clinton Foundation and shared the same IP address. That means all employees of the Clinton Foundation could have accessed her emails without security clearance.
Somebody doesn't understand networking very well.
 
You seem to be missing the point. According to your OP it wasn't Clinton who released the classified stuff, it was the State Department.

So, as I said, you may have a beef with the State Department. But what's your beef with Clinton?
The beef with Clinton is she kept it on a personal Unsecured server in her basement. Not the much more secure system the government offers.
 
See section (f) in the attached of 18 U.S. Code 793. That is the section that David Petraeus was prosecuted under and the section that the FBI is pursuing against Clinton. An email qualifies under this section of the code as a "document" and a "writing" so the code clearly covers email or any other communication method.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

You really are one of the least intelligent people I have ever encountered on this board. Not understanding that many laws passed centuries ago are still on the books and relevant is just classic for you. The laws have also been amended. So for you not knowing the fundamentals of how law making takes place in this country is just a text book illustration of your overwhelming ignorance.

So continue to live in the neighborhood of make believe and blame every thing on those GOP zealots in the Obama Justice Department. Loretta Lynch will find it interesting that you consider her part of the GOP conspiracy.

So as usual, the only bull shit is what's coming out of your brain.
Yeah, I already read that. You still have no proof Hillary broke any of the rules under this law. You still haven't proven gross negligence, loss of documents, of failing to produce documents upon request. Did you even read this law? Your post suggests that you haven't.
 
We dont have to the FBI is doing it for us. You are stupidly defending something because you are putting your party in front of our Country! Just throw HRC under the bus and get a better candidate with better ethic, morals, and character. That's pretty much 99 % of your party members!
 
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