NIL is ruining college football

[yrunvs]

Portal/Mercenary players

mercenary /mûr′sə-nĕr″ē/

adjective​

1. Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain.
2. Hired for service in a foreign army.
3. Acting for reward; serving for pay; paid; hired; hireling; venal.
   "mercenary soldiers"

Can't be good for the locker room.

 

[mro1978]

come on dude, politics belong on the OT board

 

[Yentle]

Millions of $$ for kids to play a college sport is stupid.

Cheering for millionaires from one school play millionaires from another is difficult to do.

Especially, when I know lots of people who are struggling to get by.

Fixed it for you, “NIL has ruined college football”

 

[MikeyHawk]

That doesn't make him wrong. This whole thing has gone so far out of bounds. The original lawsuits were for players to be compensated for use of their likeness in mkt. (When they actually had some marketable skill). Now we have high school juniors and mercenaries getting paid millions and some of those "players" haven't done a thing in college football. They're being paid on their supposed potential, and we have fans lining up to support this nonsense. Did someone call for "ludicrous"? And NO not the State Farm commercial either....

Well, OP is wrong and so are you. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. There is millions of dollars be paid/made based on college students playing a sport. People drive hours, spend the whole day going to a football game, watch it on TV, which generates advertising money. OP is saying it not fair that these athletes get some money, because reasons. The fact that they haven't been getting money while coaches, recruiting coordinators, AD's, assistants to the AD's, etc. make millions.

Who are you to say it has gone so far out of bounds? because you don't like it?

 

[kceasthawk]

Everybody needs to think of this as entertainment. Talent costs money. The best entertainers earn the most money.
Level playing field is not how pro sports works, and major college football is now a pro sport.

"Entertainers" don't get a free education worth 100's of thousands of dollars, free food, insurance, health care, free travel and swag, clothing, free room and board, and on and on. Ever hear of "starving artists"? Many entertainers struggle for years some for decades before ever getting their break. These are high school kids who are having the world handed to them, (along with a pro career waiting for the top performers worth millions of $$ a year). What this is morphing into is stupid, and unsustainable.

 

[kceasthawk]

Well, OP is wrong and so are you. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. There is millions of dollars be paid/made based on college students playing a sport. People drive hours, spend the whole day going to a football game, watch it on TV, which generates advertising money. OP is saying it not fair that these athletes get some money, because reasons. The fact that they haven't been getting money while coaches, recruiting coordinators, AD's, assistants to the AD's, etc. make millions.

Who are you to say it has gone so far out of bounds? because you don't like it?

Try keeping up if your going to call me out. I've said clearly on this site MULTIPLE times, I'm fine with players getting paid, by the PARTIES making the money in all of this. Is that clear enough for you? Media companies and the schools are the ones collecting this windfall and should be the ones sharing the wealth, period. Its beyond repugnant to ask the fans who are already paying for the chance to watch these events, and then ask them to be the ones paying players individually, when they are the only party in the mix with ZERO financial gain in all of this. It makes no sense whatsoever, but do continue being the sheep in this debacle.

 

[shanksit44]

I think it’s still very early. All those programs will continue to dominate the portal but I do think they will lose depth over time as players will want to showcase their talent. We certainly need some parameters around it though. It’s insane.

Maybe, or the money will be enough to satisfy.

 

[amahawk]

Millions of $$ for kids to play a college sport is stupid.

Cheering for millionaires from one school play millionaires from another is difficult to do.

Especially, when I know lots of people who are struggling to get by.

I wonder about academic standards.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Football is unsustainable wo NIL

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

"Entertainers" don't get a free education worth 100's of thousands of dollars, free food, insurance, health care, free travel and swag, clothing, free room and board, and on and on. Ever hear of "starving artists"? Many entertainers struggle for years some for decades before ever getting their break. These are high school kids who are having the world handed to them, (along with a pro career waiting for the top performers worth millions of $$ a year). What this is morphing into is stupid, and unsustainable.

That all you got Kirk?

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Good points but it doesn’t seem to diminish enthusiasm from fans of Texas, Oregon, Ohio State et. al. Unfortunately, Iowa doesn’t appear to have the kind of wealthy donors who can/will support this at Iowa.

Ya we are way behind most schools participating....not

 

[Iron Doc]

NIL isn't the problem. The lack of rules is. And now you're about to see how that stupidity plays out in the larger society, so buckle up.

As for people struggling to get by, tell MAGA and the new ruling oligarchy. They'll fix it. LOL

That cadre of billionaires could feed, house, and clothe millions. Instead, they want more and bigger yachts, trips into space, and unlimited authority. They ban abortion but couldn't give a damn--or a cent--to help the unwanted kids once they're actually born.

The issues of college football, and there are many, pale in such a dystopian context.

You. Are. Right.

 

[Iron Doc]

Forget D-1.
Watch/attend D3/NAIA.
A much purer game.
Not mercenary.

 

[HawkCharlotte]

Everybody needs to think of this as entertainment. Talent costs money. The best entertainers earn the most money.
Level playing field is not how pro sports works, and major college football is now a pro sport.

That's the problem. It's no longer about kids getting a scholarship to get out of school debt free, play sports, get a good degree, and have a good life.

Greed is ruining college sports by eliminating the 'college' aspect and keeping only the 'sports'

 

[Greenway4Prez]

In my opinion, the free-for-all transfer portal is a bigger issue than the free-for-all NIL.

 

[hawkeyemark18]

That's the problem. It's no longer about kids getting a scholarship to get out of school debt free, play sports, get a good degree, and have a good life.

Greed is ruining college sports by eliminating the 'college' aspect and keeping only the 'sports'

Two good posts from you and Greenway right in a row. You hit on why I think this system will erode interest over time as it stands now. I fell in love with college football while in college and have enjoyed it ever since for the reasons you state. I can get old without Iowa football as just another sport.

I think for now Iowa will try to keep things sane and preserve the culture we have all come to appreciate. How long that can last seems an open question.

 

[hawkeyemark18]

In my opinion, the free-for-all transfer portal is a bigger issue than the free-for-all NIL.

The NCAA lost the battle on NIL and I agree with you. The portal seems like something they can fix and not lose in court. The portal won't go away either but they need input from the coaches and a sensible plan to make it smoother and less crazy.

Leaving one portal for after spring makes sense to me. Let guys see where they stand and then things can shake out. This million dollar bidding for quarterbacks in December right before the playoffs and bowl games seems ridiculous.

 

[pamarcole]

I’ve never been a pro sports fan ……I felt that teams were bought and players followed there pocket books instead of there hearts. That’s why I always enjoyed college sports the athletes chose a school based on a lot of different things …..one of them not being money. At the end of the day they were loyal to their school and their decision. It’s too bad we are losing this aspect of college sports. Are they deserving of something…absolutely. But the current free for all is pathetic!

 

[yrunvs]

I’ve never been a pro sports fan ……I felt that teams were bought and players followed there pocket books instead of there hearts. That’s why I always enjoyed college sports the athletes chose a school based on a lot of different things …..one of them not being money. At the end of the day they were loyal to their school and their decision. It’s too bad we are losing this aspect of college sports. Are they deserving of something…absolutely. But the current free for all is pathetic!

College football is losing its culture for the sake of winning at any cost.

 

[kceasthawk]

That all you got Kirk?

Tell me ONE thing I said thats not correct....

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Tell me ONE thing I said thats not correct....

Correct or not you imply Kirk and other can earn their millions and players should risk their health and brains for Kirk and family and our pleasure of cheering for guys that we really know nothing about and maybe really wouldnt like but wearing the right unis and stand for the national anthem for a college education.

Thats likely pretty close to what you are really saying.

 

[kceasthawk]

Correct or not you imply Kirk and other can earn their millions and players should risk their health and brains for Kirk and family and our pleasure of cheering for guys that we really know nothing about and maybe really wouldnt like but wearing the right unis and stand for the national anthem for a college education.

Thats likely pretty close to what you are really saying.

Actually try reading my posts. I'll type slower. I've said MULTIPLE times, if they want to pay players from the $$ from the TV deals then have at it. Just don't come back and ask the fans to pony up. They have ZERO financial gain in this and this is nothing more then extortion. The post I replied to (that you addressed), the poster said its entertainment, and you have to pay the entertainers. My response was MOST entertainers have to EARN that pay for many years and polish their craft before they ever "get paid". Here people want to pay high school players and transfers, (many who have had marginal success) millions of $$ when they have not yet polished their craft and earned such a reward. So yes I think its the cart before the horse, and using "entertainers" like singers, movie or TV stars is a really bad analogy. Most struggle for years to break into the big time and get their big break. I think thats what college kids have been doing the last 150 years, but NOW we want to reward them before they've even done the work.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

NIL by itself is not the problem. The portal by itself is not the problem. Players getting paid is not the problem.

The problem is parity.

Sports is the most interesting when there is some level of parity.

The NFL has -
1. Salary caps
2. Multi-year contracts - you don't get to be a free agent every year.
3. A playoff structure where every team has a chance - 32 teams, 14 playoff spots.
4. A draft that favors the weaker team.
5. The weaker teams get a more favorable schedule.

All designed to create parity in the league and make the sport more interesting.

CF has none of that.

 

[BirdistheWord]

It really hasn’t changed in my opinion. A lot of this was already going on. It just wasn’t as well known as it is today.

The amount of money flowing to athletes has increased.

Also, the rate of movement due to transfer portal (largely due to increase in $$) is up significantly. The rate has more than doubled since 2019.

 

[Muscles1989]

It went from under the table to full blown in your face buying players. Don’t like it, just feels dirty, I do believe college athletes should get school paid for and a living wage all year around but it should be a set amount from starting qb to the last walk on

 

[onlyTheObvious]

NIL by itself is not the problem. The portal by itself is not the problem. Players getting paid is not the problem.

The problem is parity.

Sports is the most interesting when there is some level of parity.

The NFL has -
1. Salary caps
2. Multi-year contracts - you don't get to be a free agent every year.
3. A playoff structure where every team has a chance - 32 teams, 14 playoff spots.
4. A draft that favors the weaker team.
5. The weaker teams get a more favorable schedule.

All designed to create parity in the league and make the sport more interesting.

CF has none of that.

Nil is in pro football and works same as college. Ever see all the commercials ? That money isn’t capped.

Maybe when schools start paying players it will look like pro sports.

 

[onionman1]

Well, OP is wrong and so are you. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. There is millions of dollars be paid/made based on college students playing a sport. People drive hours, spend the whole day going to a football game, watch it on TV, which generates advertising money. OP is saying it not fair that these athletes get some money, because reasons. The fact that they haven't been getting money while coaches, recruiting coordinators, AD's, assistants to the AD's, etc. make millions.

Who are you to say it has gone so far out of bounds? because you don't like it?

Who are you to say OP and others are wrong? Because you disagree with it? You're entitled to your view, and so are we: What NIL has turned into is beyond ridiculous and utterly unsustainable. That's my view, and whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

 

[cohawk]

I’ve been saying it for a year or so—and I get nobody cares—but I’m pretty sure my interest will start waning quite a bit in the next year or two unless there are changes made.

At this point, as has been the case in the past, we could be handing out Ferraris and we would still be at a vast disadvantage to the usual suspects. You have to be able to talk players into joining your program before you can pay them. What difference makers do we attract? We have become the laughing stock of the college football world with broadcasters regularly making fun of Iowa's "offense." How can that possibly help our recruiting efforts. Ferentz dug this chasm when he hired his son and insisted keeping him when it was obvious that he wasn't the answer in that particular position. Now we have a new OC that seems to be cut from the same cloth as all the previous Offensive Coordinators that Kirk allowed to do the job. The results always looks the same. Wonder why that is?

Laughing stock. That’s hyperbole.

 

[pgsailor]

It’s only a matter of time before a group of so called student athletes will say “why do we have to go to school. We get payed now”.the morons that created this mess just might agree with them.

 

[oldxbbc]

NIL by itself is not the problem. The portal by itself is not the problem. Players getting paid is not the problem.

The problem is parity.

Sports is the most interesting when there is some level of parity.

The NFL has -
1. Salary caps
2. Multi-year contracts - you don't get to be a free agent every year.
3. A playoff structure where every team has a chance - 32 teams, 14 playoff spots.
4. A draft that favors the weaker team.
5. The weaker teams get a more favorable schedule.

All designed to create parity in the league and make the sport more interesting.

CF has none of that.

Unfortunately NIL is here to stay because there was no attempt by the NCAA to stop it in the beginning. Now that it is here there has to be some type of cap imo. The portal is a problem the way it is set up. Players transferring need to sit out a year in most situations imo. I think the NCAA needs to start with those two items and go from there if the goal is "parity".

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Nil is in pro football and works same as college. Ever see all the commercials ? That money isn’t capped.

Maybe when schools start paying players it will look like pro sports.

The money isn't capped, but they actually have to do stuff for their endorsements. Not that's it's hard work of course.

Name, image, likeness in college - it's obviously none of those.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Unfortunately NIL is here to stay because there was no attempt by the NCAA to stop it in the beginning. Now that it is here there has to be some type of cap imo. The portal is a problem the way it is set up. Players transferring need to sit out a year in most situations imo. I think the NCAA needs to start with those two items and go from there if the goal is "parity".

I concur. Right now, parity is not even on the radar.

 

[jonesy5960]

Unfortunately NIL is here to stay because there was no attempt by the NCAA to stop it in the beginning. Now that it is here there has to be some type of cap imo. The portal is a problem the way it is set up. Players transferring need to sit out a year in most situations imo. I think the NCAA needs to start with those two items and go from there if the goal is "parity".

You won't get anything that restricts the income of players directly because that won't hold up in court. Can't prevent someone from earning an income for a year. Any cap would have to be a cap on what the schools can spend in total ala professional sports under the parity umbrella.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

The money isn't capped, but they actually have to do stuff for their endorsements. Not that's it's hard work of course.

Name, image, likeness in college - it's obviously none of those.

It’s the same in the eyes of the courts. Who are you to say what value somebody has to a private organization?

Would it make you happier if Swarm sold 10 Tshirts with a players name on the back and said that was worth the the $150,000 they gave them?

What committee gets to decide the value?

 

[Hawk_4shur]

It’s the same in the eyes of the courts. Who are you to say what value somebody has to a private organization?

Would it make you happier if Swarm sold 10 Tshirts with a players name on the back and said that was worth the the $150,000 they gave them?

What committee gets to decide the value?

Well, all I said was that it isn't the same as an endorsement deal for the pros. The whole Name Image Likeness never really happened and it's gone forever. Now it's simply pay for play.

 

[kceasthawk]

The money isn't capped, but they actually have to do stuff for their endorsements. Not that's it's hard work of course.

Name, image, likeness in college - it's obviously none of those.

True NIL, (see CC22) is in fact correctly done. Unfortunately these collectives have blurred what is, and what is not NIL......

 

[Bow.to.the.Narrative]

Unfortunately NIL is here to stay because there was no attempt by the NCAA to stop it in the beginning. Now that it is here there has to be some type of cap imo. The portal is a problem the way it is set up. Players transferring need to sit out a year in most situations imo. I think the NCAA needs to start with those two items and go from there if the goal is "parity".

Or be limited to ONE transfer. And no NIL until one completed season(meaning no bribes to high schoolers).

 

[MikeyHawk]

Who are you to say OP and others are wrong? Because you disagree with it? You're entitled to your view, and so are we: What NIL has turned into is beyond ridiculous and utterly unsustainable. That's my view, and whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

It is your view, but, it is irrelevant. It is wrong because what you believe is not what is happening.

"beyond ridiculous and utterly unsustainable?

based on what? your whining?

 

[ISUBryce]

That's the problem. It's no longer about kids getting a scholarship to get out of school debt free, play sports, get a good degree, and have a good life.

Greed is ruining college sports by eliminating the 'college' aspect and keeping only the 'sports'

Sure, but it seems like people are mad about the players.

It also stopped being about building up young men and teaching them the game of life when coaches started to be paid a hundred million dollars and everybody but them were making millions.

 

[blubberhawk]

You. Are. Right.

#1. No one has banned abortion: Legal virtually everywhere. If some lady wants to kill her baby in the 3rd trimester, she can go to California and other Liberal shit holes and get it done. Hell, she will probably get a medal of honor for doing it there.
#2. You talk about crazy shit coming down the pike? What can be crazier than Men competing against our women and little girls.
What can be crazier than men sharing locker rooms and showers with our women and little girls. What can be crazier than mutilating little kids? What can be crazier than funding sex change operating for prisoners? Just admit it. Your party is totally f'up.
#3. What can be crazier than a Party hiding and Lying about the condition of our President. They lied and covered up for years. Then they propped up a total idiot who could not garner a single delegate in her own party primaries and could not answer one simple policy question without 2 minutes of mumbo-jumbo and a cackling laugh. Came back to bite them in the ass.
#4. and finally, bringing up billionaires like they are exclusive to the Republican Party is asinine. Your perverted party is full of Billionaires spouting off about climate control while traveling in private jets and Limos. Then to top it all off, your candidate spent over a billion dollars paying off endorsers, etc. Seems to me all that Liberal money should have been spent taking care of the poor instead of Oprah.