NLRB rules that Dartmouth basketball players are Employees of Dartmouth
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So you mean when I make a suggestion that a player should be fired................now they actually could be?!?!?
Curious. Isn't it true that the IVY league doesn't give athletic scholarships?
My understanding is they get all sorts of financial aid and such, so it’s close to the same concept.
Similar to how D3 operates, just on a much higher level because of funding etc.
But it's not specific to athletics. Dartmouth provides many types of financial aid to all types of students.
The ruling says they perform the work for compensation. Wouldn't said compensation have to be specifically for athletics? Are the science students doing research also going to be considered employees? Their work directly benefits the University too.
The timing of this is interesting with the BIG/SEC talks coming to the fore.
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I was referring to the athletes.
But if they’re doing research and getting laid, then yes.
LOL... that's either an epic typo or a great one liner.
Deacon Hill, step into my office.................
If you form a union then doesnt everyone get paid the same? There goes NIL. I am very pro union so just saying
perhaps, but depends on any deal they strike. Not all UAW workers get paid the same - depends on their job, time w/company etc.
The NFL has a union that fights for minimum salaries, etc but allows the best players to be paid way more.
So the college's own students, who didn't actually even apply for "jobs" as basketball players, are employees. Right. Whoever came up with that = a bunch of dipshits with too much time on their hands.
Hmmm...the business owner in me wonders...
1. How would Worker's Compensation (WC) work? Just spit balling here...but it seems to me that "players" get injured much more frequently than do "workers". I could see this potentially being quite nettlesome.
2. What about PR taxes, SS, FICA, etc?
3. Is everyone on the team on "salary" or do the starters and players getting the playing time get paid more? Do the players punch in?
4. Many, many games are played in the evenings, weekends and even on Sunday. OT, straight time, DT, what about travel time?
Just some off the top, sort of serious, sort of humorous musings...but for real, this could get crazy.
1. How would Worker's Compensation (WC) work? Just spit balling here...but it seems to me that "players" get injured much more frequently than do "workers". I could see this potentially being quite nettlesome.
2. What about PR taxes, SS, FICA, etc?
3. Is everyone on the team on "salary" or do the starters and players getting the playing time get paid more? Do the players punch in?
4. Many, many games are played in the evenings, weekends and even on Sunday. OT, straight time, DT, what about travel time?
Just some off the top, sort of serious, sort of humorous musings...but for real, this could get crazy.
There will definitely be numerous things they will have to figure out.
But for the sake of argument, the school already employs a ton of students in the cafeteria, etc so they have figured all of that out already to some extent.
The interesting thing (as you alluded in your first point) will be health care and if students argue they got hurt (concussion, CTE, etc) as part of their work. But obviously the NFL has figured that out so I’m sure college will too.
SO, if players don't crack the two deeps by their sophomore year, can they be fired for non-performance. If a player fumbles costing the team a win, can they be let go? How about if they get more than the average number of penalties? The players and the NLB are on their way to destroying football for all but the elite institutions. Willing to bet that many D2, D3 and NAIA schools will drop sports in the next few years if this stands. Too much exposure and nowhere near the return needed to cpntinue..
This decision only helps the elite athletic schools and hurts the thousands of students who aren't Power 5 ready or caliber. This has the potential to destroy many lives including those whose only path to a college education is athletics. Thanks uncle Joe for appointing a majority Democratic board that made this awful decision.
This decision only helps the elite athletic schools and hurts the thousands of students who aren't Power 5 ready or caliber. This has the potential to destroy many lives including those whose only path to a college education is athletics. Thanks uncle Joe for appointing a majority Democratic board that made this awful decision.
And is the plane fare, above-average hotel, training table, etc, get treated as taxable? Not to mention the healthcare, books, etc?
5. Retirement Plans - if all of the other Dartmouth employees are covered, why not the athletes?
6. Vacations pay? Sick leave?
7. Multi-state income tax considerations - they play (and earn income) in various states.
And the big one ....
Can the athletic department be considered a tax exempt entity any longer? I don't think "playing basketball" is a tax-exempt activity.
It's a giant sh^t sandwich with cheese.
Could they get unemploymentSo you mean when I make a suggestion that a player should be fired................now they actually could be?!?!?
The Dartmouth (NH) AFSCME Local will be happy to discuss these, and any other questions you might have in the next few days.
Yeah, people that work for a union and companies for 25 to 30 years get paid more
But college kids are there for a few years so they are all beginners so to speak.
I really doubt Dartmouth with players there for just 4 years is going to start getting into tiers of payments for players. They will pay them what can be afforded at an even amount and probably need to have health insurance.
Players are not there long enough for retirement plans I would believe.
All I am saying is I think most of these schools do not want to go this way.
I have predicted this here for some time. College athletics are over. Its only a matter of time before they are paid employees. So lets get school out of this now once and for all and quit pretending it matters in any of this.
Sure - but on a larger scale, do you get a pay raise if you crack the two deeps? Be made a starter? Do different positions have different pay scales?
Yes, yes, I know...I am replying to my own thread.
But after sleeping on it I have a couple more questions. In regards to WC/safety...can the designated "Safety Guy" interrupt a play on the field to address apparent unsafe conditions? (Think Stop Work rules.)
How much PTO is available to the players? Can they call in sick with impunity? "Yeah, Coach, sorry I didn't mention it, what with the big game being this Saturday and all, but my grandma is coming into town and my mom said I should take the day off to spend with her. Soooo."
Will the players be eligible to receive mileage payments for their scooters when traveling to and from practice and games? (I'm killing myself here.
)All business owners know these scenarios are "real" and inevitable.
Oh you would love labor law. Contractors vs employees, etc.
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You wont have a transfer portal anymore since I assume players will be signed to contracts. I am assuming some colleges will look to lock up the biggest recruits to 2-3 or maybe even 4 year deals
I get this type of desire for unionization at Big Ten or SEC schools. I don’t get it in the Ivy League. A bunch of these kids wouldn’t have gotten into the Ivy League school if they weren’t good at athletics. For those schools, the degree and network are the actual benefit.
If I was running Dartmouth, Harvard, etc. if I have pay the players, I’d either drop sports entirely since they generate no money or go all in and use my vast resources to get actual elite players vs. some rich kids that weren’t smart enough to get into the school on their academic merit but were pretty good at sports.
If I was running Dartmouth, Harvard, etc. if I have pay the players, I’d either drop sports entirely since they generate no money or go all in and use my vast resources to get actual elite players vs. some rich kids that weren’t smart enough to get into the school on their academic merit but were pretty good at sports.
Let's get some trading structure in place also. Waivers, roster cuts, etc.
What is the end game for declaring athletes to be employees of a school? Will they even need to be students any longer? Might as well test, too, while they're at it. It's like they're following a (il)logic tree right off a cliff.
Part of the "job description". Or the infamous "other duties as required".
I will repeat it yet again.
The schools should spin them off as subsidiary corporations, thus retaining ownership and just taking the annual profit. Treat the players as employees and forget school. Offer them a discounted education if they want it. But lets be real, education is an afterthought in all of this.
The schools should spin them off as subsidiary corporations, thus retaining ownership and just taking the annual profit. Treat the players as employees and forget school. Offer them a discounted education if they want it. But lets be real, education is an afterthought in all of this.
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