No positives for a Big Ten team to lose to Utah St in anything. It just means your program is dog shit.

[curtisj157]

And that is what Iowa basketball has been for 30 years. Every year a few nice players but at least half of the scholarship players have zero reason to be on a Big Ten scholarship. If we get a new coach next year, he needs to say goodbye to about 7-8 players and hit the portal. Add a talent fee to the cost of a ticket towards NIL. Also need a major overhaul on the shit box called Carver Hawkeye Arena.

 

[MikeyHawk]

Utah St is not a bad team, just that Iowa is equal to them.
Iowa BB is nothing special and it seems this is the level they will stay at.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

And that is what Iowa basketball has been for 30 years. Every year a few nice players but at least half of the scholarship players have zero reason to be on a Big Ten scholarship. If we get a new Busch next year, he needs to say goodbye to about 7-8 players and hit the portal. Add a talent fee to the cost of a ticket towards NIL. Also need a major overhaul on the shit box called Carver Hawkeye Arena.

Something has to change. Iowa fans seem about as excited to fill Carver as Maryland fans are to fill SECU Stadium.

 

[AmericaNeedsMe]

Something has to change. Iowa fans seem about as excited to fill Carver as Maryland fans are to fill SECU Stadium.

Fran's already gone. Has been for about a year now. This is what a Wharton exit looks like.

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

Iowa needed this win for the metrics. I fear the resume is going to be crap headed to conference play and 10-10 won't do it.

 

[Hawksfinal4]

If Iowa were to win its 4 ranked games before 2025, all will be right with the world and those doom and gloomers will fade away. Big task ahead to beat Utah, ISU, Northwestern and Michigan but should the Hawks do so and I think its possible the metrics will take care of themselves.

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

If Iowa were to win its 4 ranked games before 2025, all will be right with the world and those doom and gloomers will fade away. Big task ahead to beat Utah, ISU, Northwestern and Michigan but should the Hawks do so and I think its possible the metrics will take care of themselves.

Iowa needs to probably go 3-1 in those now.

 

[scotihawk]

Tell that to Michigan State the year they lost to Oakland County and then made the final four......what a dumbass post

 

[HawkGem11]

Tell that to Michigan State the year they lost to Oakland County and then made the final four......what a dumbass post

well considering Fran has never made it to second weekend at Iowa cause he blows as a coach we don't have to worry about making any final 4's under this idiot

 

[intrepodor]

Utah St is not a bad team, just that Iowa is equal to them.
Iowa BB is nothing special and it seems this is the level they will stay at.

If Iowa plays a team they are equal to they'll get beat if the opposing coach is worth a darn.

 

[HawkBall23]

Tell that to Michigan State the year they lost to Oakland County and then made the final four......what a dumbass post

Yeah, no. Not a real apples to apples comparison there.

Izzo has multiple Final4 trips and at least one NC in his time as a college coach.

Fran McCaffery has all of a couple Round of 64 wins and multiple Round of 32 exits.

 

[HawkLogic]

If Iowa were to win its 4 ranked games before 2025, all will be right with the world and those doom and gloomers will fade away. Big task ahead to beat Utah, ISU, Northwestern and Michigan but should the Hawks do so and I think its possible the metrics will take care of themselves.

If an Iowa fans Doom and Gloomer had a criteria of making a Sweet16 or Better to have their angst fade away than they've been in a dark mood since 1999. A good run over 4 games doesn't change anything or portend a sudden improvement in the program.

Some athletic Directors/schools are adjusting to NIL and thriving and then we have the Universtiy of Iowa.


We can badmouth ISU, but they've had a coach for past 3 years that costs about 1/3 of what Fran costs and they have flirted with Top10 rankings and have a Sweet16.



I'd give Fran's left nut for ISU level of success. Paying Fran (and Kirk in football) Big bucks and having dog chit for NIL doesn't work for anyone that wants Hardware/exceptional achievments. Of course for Fran and KIrk it works pretty well.

 

[MAXIMUSHAWKEYE]

Until they allow the schools to directly pay NIL. I don't see how Iowa will ever compete for anything in MBB. Frankly surprised that WBB is a thing given todays NIL.

 

[icwesthawk]

Clearly, Alabama, LSU, Florida, Michigan, USC, Texas and Ohio State should never lose in football, correct? Kentucky, Kansas, Gonzaga, UCLA, Duke, North Carolina and Michigan State should never lose in basketball. So when they do, what do we do with that Curtis Blow? You come on here and complain about Iowa sports but you clearly have no clue about sports at all. I think I have been misjudging you. Clearly, you are looking for a big, athletic men, preferably African American men, but you seem to be looking in the wrong places. Pottery Barn, Panera Bread, J Crew may not where you should be putting in the time. Good luck on your endeavors and I, for one hope you find the man or men you are looking for but a bit of advice, beware the stapler.

 

[NI hawk]

Yeah, no. Not a real apples to apples comparison there.

Izzo has multiple Final4 trips and at least one NC in his time as a college coach.

Fran McCaffery has all of a couple Round of 64 wins and multiple Round of 32 exits.

On a current streak of 3 consecutive losses to lower seeded teams in NCAA tournament.

 

[Hawks2405]

Fran doesn’t shoot the 3’s or the free throws. They had wide open looks. Payton can’t play like that as the senior leader. He has to knock down clutch shots for this team. Pryce was even worse. Aren’t these guys supposed to be great shooters? They played terrible.

 

[AmericaNeedsMe]

In 14 years:

1 B1G Tourney Championship.
4 NCAA wins (in 4 separate appearances)
.500 in league play.

Could be worse.

 

[tumorboy]

Something has to change. Iowa fans seem about as excited to fill Carver as Maryland fans are to fill SECU Stadium.

New coach and influx of NIL money. Those are the two changes. Kinda chicken and the egg though. Now to get a good coach you need NIL money. To get NIL money you need a good coach.

 

[Garzatough85]

If Iowa were to win its 4 ranked games before 2025, all will be right with the world and those doom and gloomers will fade away. Big task ahead to beat Utah, ISU, Northwestern and Michigan but should the Hawks do so and I think its possible the metrics will take care of themselves.

If my aunt had balls…..

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

New coach and influx of NIL money. Those are the two changes. Kinda chicken and the egg though. Now to get a good coach you need NIL money. To get NIL money you need a good coach.

I have a hard time believing Iowa can’t afford to attract a high upside coach. The NIL money should roll in with some actual excitement and anticipation in the fan base.

Iowa fans are very passionate and want to get behind their sports programs. The obvious problem is Fran fatigue and Ferentz fatigue are real. I think it’s especially problematic in basketball because football is the main cash cow.

I think a lot of Iowa fans share the sentiment of being tired of Fran ball. Tired of every roster predominantly filled with guys who have about the same skill set. Tired of terrible defense. Tired of minimal athleticism. Tired of no rebounding and no toughness.

Something needs to change.

 

[Titanhawk2]

And that is what Iowa basketball has been for 30 years. Every year a few nice players but at least half of the scholarship players have zero reason to be on a Big Ten scholarship. If we get a new coach next year, he needs to say goodbye to about 7-8 players and hit the portal. Add a talent fee to the cost of a ticket towards NIL. Also need a major overhaul on the shit box called Carver Hawkeye Arena.

They're a decent program, just look at history. Dumb comment

 

[tumorboy]

I have a hard time believing Iowa can’t afford to attract a high upside coach. The NIL money should roll in with some actual excitement and anticipation in the fan base.

Iowa fans are very passionate and want to get behind their sports programs. The obvious problem is Fran fatigue and Ferentz fatigue are real. I think it’s especially problematic in basketball because football is the main cash cow.

I think a lot of Iowa fans share the sentiment of being tired of Fran ball. Tired of every roster predominantly filled with guys who have about the same skill set. Tired of terrible defense. Tired of minimal athleticism. Tired of no rebounding and no toughness.

Something needs to change.

Lots of coaches what reassurances now before signing. That the NIL support will be there. Notre Dame is a good example. Former PSU coach would not take the job without the alumni promises. And of course by looking at this years recruiting class they delivered.

 

[EagleHawk]

Fran McCaffery has all of a couple Round of 64 wins and multiple Round of 32 exits.

Shouldn't he have multiple Round of 64 wins if he has multiple Round of 32 exits? They got rid of the first-round byes in the 80's

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Lots of coaches what reassurances now before signing. That the NIL support will be there. Notre Dame is a good example. Former PSU coach would not take the job without the alumni promises. And of course by looking at this years recruiting class they delivered.

Yeah, and I think Iowa is capable of providing that. Not to the extent other schools are, but they can afford to be middle-of-the-pack competitive with NIL money if they make it a priority and find creative ways to channel resources like other programs do.

I also think SWARM donations would pick up substantially if there was evidence of a greater return on the investment. To this point, Iowa hasn’t gotten much bang for their buck when it comes to NIL. Cade McNamara was supposed to be that big portal fish that would elevate Iowa to the next level. To this point, a 5th string walk on has performed better. Kaleb Brown and Erick All were the other two supposed big fish, and the latter was unfortunately injured while the former didn’t really do shit (although I think a lot of that is the Ferentzes fault). Obviously, basketball gets no support.

So, yeah, it’s pretty hard to ask people to continue contributing to SWARM when to this point there has been no return on that investment and Kirk Ferentz still game plans like he’s scared of his own shadow when it comes to offense.

Shit has to change to have any chance of moving beyond mediocre.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

And that is what Iowa basketball has been for 30 years. Every year a few nice players but at least half of the scholarship players have zero reason to be on a Big Ten scholarship. If we get a new coach next year, he needs to say goodbye to about 7-8 players and hit the portal. Add a talent fee to the cost of a ticket towards NIL. Also need a major overhaul on the shit box called Carver Hawkeye Arena.

Then do something about it. We know you won't, woman.

 

[tumorboy]

Yeah, and I think Iowa is capable of providing that. Not to the extent other schools are, but they can afford to be middle-of-the-pack competitive with NIL money if they make it a priority and find creative ways to channel resources like other programs do.

I also think SWARM donations would pick up substantially if there was evidence of a greater return on the investment. To this point, Iowa hasn’t gotten much bang for their buck when it comes to NIL. Cade McNamara was supposed to be that big portal fish that would elevate Iowa to the next level. To this point, a 5th string walk on has performed better. Kaleb Brown and Erick All were the other two supposed big fish, and the latter was unfortunately injured while the former didn’t really do shit (although I think a lot of that is the Ferentzes fault). Obviously, basketball gets no support.

So, yeah, it’s pretty hard to ask people to continue contributing to SWARM when to this point there has been no return on that investment and Kirk Ferentz still game plans like he’s scared of his own shadow when it comes to offense.

Shit has to change to have any chance of moving beyond mediocre.

Signing guys coming off major injuries or ones that haven’t done anything. Similar MLB FA rarely works out.
That’s how the portal has to be viewed now. Sign guys that are healthy from a lower level aka the Pittsburgh Pirates. Sign Garret Cole not Mark Prior.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Signing guys coming off major injuries or ones that haven’t done anything. Similar MLB FA rarely works out.
That’s how the portal has to be viewed now. Sign guys that are healthy from a lower level aka the Pittsburgh Pirates. Sign Garret Cole not Mark Prior.

I don’t know baseball, but I get your point.

I know Indiana has been successful with bringing in JMU guys, so you can find mid-major talent but it’s a crapshoot. I think the JC route has been underutilized IMO. I don’t recall all the names over the years, but Brad Banks, Marshal Yanda, Daviyon Nixon are a few names who had big impacts. I know there are plenty who don’t work it out, but I just don’t remember Iowa bringing in many JCs when they probably could have to fill positions of need in a given offseason.

But, yeah, Cade McNamara was a major gamble that backfired big time.

 

[tumorboy]

I don’t know baseball, but I get your point.

I know Indiana has been successful with bringing in JMU guys, so you can find mid-major talent but it’s a crapshoot. I think the JC route has been underutilized IMO. I don’t recall all the names over the years, but Brad Banks, Marshal Yanda, Daviyon Nixon are a few names who had big impacts. I know there are plenty who don’t work it out, but I just don’t remember Iowa bringing in many JCs when they probably could have to fill positions of need in a given offseason.

But, yeah, Cade McNamara was a major gamble that backfired big time.

Well look at Brown as well. He couldn’t even sniff the field. And there was little competition for his portal recruitment. Lower level guys aren’t necessarily a crap shoot. Coaches evaluate film. If they can project what a HS kid will do with more size. They can project what a lower level guy will do with faster/stronger players around him.
Using the baseball analogy again. You can project what a pitcher will do with a better defense, bigger ballpark, or pitching mix switch. Those are the little things that keep a team with a smaller payroll such as the Milwaukee Brewers consistently beating the Cubs.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Well look at Brown as well. He couldn’t even sniff the field. And there was little competition for his portal recruitment. Lower level guys aren’t necessarily a crap shoot. Coaches evaluate film. If they can project what a HS kid will do with more size. They can project what a lower level guy will do with faster/stronger players around him.
Using the baseball analogy again. You can project what a pitcher will do with a better defense, bigger ballpark, or pitching mix switch. Those are the little things that keep a team with a smaller payroll such as the Milwaukee Brewers consistently beating the Cubs.

Makes sense. I am too casual of a fan to know the ins and outs of those types of evaluations. I just remember a lot of hubbub over this WR from Ohio State that projected to be the playmaker Iowa desperately needed. Again, though, what you say makes sense. I just know that whatever Ferentz has been doing hasn’t been working on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Tell that to Michigan State the year they lost to Oakland County and then made the final four......what a dumbass post

No offense, but if you actually think the two situations are remotely comparable then the “dumbass post” does not lie with OP.

 

[tumorboy]

If you want to apply it to basketball I’d say Brad Stevens at Butler then the Celtics.
Brad or his disciple let the Bucks chase after the big fish. Lillard. Then the Celtics swooped in and got Holliday one of the top PG’s for almost nothing. Which got them a ship. And appears to be building them towards more.
While the Bucks have two premier players that don’t fit together.

 

[tumorboy]

Makes sense. I am too casual of a fan to know the ins and outs of those types of evaluations. I just remember a lot of hubbub over this WR from Ohio State that projected to be the playmaker Iowa desperately needed. Again, though, what you say makes sense. I just know that whatever Ferentz has been doing hasn’t been working on the offensive side of the ball.

I looked at him as too small. Small isn’t disqualifying though if you’re built like Tim Dwight or Fred Russel. Still Iowa’s two biggest problems from what they used to be is a QB and OL. Used to put multiple guys in the league every year. Now maybe 1.

 

[tumorboy]

No offense, but if you actually think the two situations are remotely comparable then the “dumbass post” does not lie with OP.

Izzo has a colossal resume to fall back on. They call him March Izzo for a reason.

 

[BlameIt]

Tell that to Michigan State the year they lost to Oakland County and then made the final four......what a dumbass post

Michigan State has never lost to Oakland.

What a dumbass post.

Oakland vs MSU series

 

[Hawkeye_4_Life]

In 14 years:

1 B1G Tourney Championship.
4 NCAA wins.
.500 in league play.

Could be worse.

But should be better.