What a complete nightmare this must have been for Fran.
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/201...-simpson-cassius-winston-tony-carr-penn-state
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No wonder we passed on Simpson
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I can't imagine recruiting teenagers is fun for any coach. Especially the self important players
Not sure who passed on who and really don't care. Glad we didn't waste time on him though when he would've pulled a ulis anyway.
One of the reasons Fred left ISU is because he didn't like recruiting, it was said.
I can see why.
I can see why.
Sometimes one looks back and sees the logic that wasn't apparent at the time. We take Kriener when we did because he played so well in July and why let him sit around while we waste time recruiting a Painter or Rakocevic who aren't showing anything better than what Kriener brings? Then we get the slight of hand no visit but we're still friends from Moore, and Simpson seems like he's still deciding between about five teams. We've got Bohannon who people can say is a step down and maybe, or maybe a different type of player? Maybe if he wasn't from Marion he wouldn't seem like such a second choice?
So the decision is made to offer Bohannon and like Kriener it isn't so popular. But now Illinois and Wisconsin are wondering if they'll get their point guard, and maybe Moore picks Illinois maybe not. Meanwhile we've got one spot left and can go after Cook, and still have time to visit Nikko!
If Pemsl comes back from surgery (and I think he will), if Kriener keeps developing and showing improvement like he did in July, if Bohannon turns out to be the good shooting point guard he appears? Maybe this is another one of those lower ranked on paper, pain to play against on the floor, recruiting classes like 2015? And that's before Cook! Or Nikko?
Only my view of things but that McCaffery fellow might be a few moves ahead of everybody else sometimes.
So the decision is made to offer Bohannon and like Kriener it isn't so popular. But now Illinois and Wisconsin are wondering if they'll get their point guard, and maybe Moore picks Illinois maybe not. Meanwhile we've got one spot left and can go after Cook, and still have time to visit Nikko!
If Pemsl comes back from surgery (and I think he will), if Kriener keeps developing and showing improvement like he did in July, if Bohannon turns out to be the good shooting point guard he appears? Maybe this is another one of those lower ranked on paper, pain to play against on the floor, recruiting classes like 2015? And that's before Cook! Or Nikko?
Only my view of things but that McCaffery fellow might be a few moves ahead of everybody else sometimes.
I am not sure if you are calling Kreiner and Bohannon fallbacks, but I would say that they are not. Both had good summers, increasing their rankings (Kreiner to a 3-star and now Bohannon to a 4-star). Fortunately for McC they both also wanted to be Hawks. To me, getting to the spring and having to sign what they can to fill a need is a when I apply the "fallback" label. But summer commits are definitely not IMHO.
Bohannon is the definition of a fallback. He was the 5th PG Fran offered and the other 4 were pretty highly sought after. I don't think Kriener was a fallback though I think Iowa just liked him and probably didn't think it made sense to wait
No I'm calling NONE of them fallbacks. Instead of chasing after a few high profile guys and getting none they decided to focus on guys they can get that are actually solid players. Not great but solid.
It depends on how you define 'fallback' recruits. From the standpoint that we were recruiting higher rated recruits, yes they are fallbacks. But Fran tends to recruit by who can fill needs a little bit better than who is departing. He keeps a close eye on in-state talent. If instate guys advance to a point where they'll be a plus at a departing position on the team, he offers, regardless of the higher rated recruit. He's done that since the beginning. I remember a guard out of Philly he was recruiting in his first year. The kid even brought out his family for a visit. But he delayed his decision, Fran became aware of Oglesby, offered him and now JO just graduated. That's a recruiting pattern that I think we'll see as long as Fran is at Iowa. Kriener and Bohannon are just the most recent manifestations of it. It's a recruiting pattern that has kept Iowa on a slow but steady rise. Sooner or later he's going to get the program to a point where he lands a big fish or 2 out of the normal Hawkeyes sphere of influence. Hopefully, it starts with Cook.
Pretty much the definition of a fallback recruit,isn't it?
ESPN has 122 players ranked 80 or above. Hawks landed one of those players at a position where a player was needed. I don't see that as a fall back at Iowa in any meaningful sense. McC might have tired of seeing Bohannon's drop threes on Iowa.
Now we've got fall back recruits being offered in July or August? I sure wish I could find more puzzled face emoticons.It can't be that both Kriener and Bohannon made some noise in July? Nahhhhhhhhh.
I know this: The night Bohannon committed, Coach was extremely happy. For whatever reason Fran decided he really wanted the kid. We could have had Racosevik. We chose Kriener.
OK so I re-read what I wrote. I can see how it seems like I was saying this whole class is nothing but fallbacks. Not what I meant at all.
It can't be that both Kriener and Bohannon made some noise in July? Nahhhhhhhhh.
What I meant is that it seems like Fran is changing his recruiting philosophy to pick and choose who he recruits to make sure he's getting good quality guys, that while maybe not national recruits, are the next tier down and giving him a MUCH better chance of landing them.
All this to ensure he doesn't end up with a class of nothing but fallbacks. That's what I meant by that.
Much of recruiting is finding the best players for your particular system, and not necessarily the best player. I'm sure all coaches would love to have a team full of 5* recruits, but realistically how often is that possible? McCaffery has a particular system he likes to run, he wants players who are a certain type of person both on and off the court, and let's face it recruiting also involves the parents. It's quite possible there are some parents (or someone associated with the player) who alter McCaffery's recruiting of some players.
None of us know why a kid who Iowa had offered goes elsewhere.....for that matter none of us know why Iowa decides to offer someone else...I would suggest teenagers who have not even started their senior year in high school have "upped" their game..Fran has recognized it because he was there & I think the majority of us would agree that Fran has a little better idea of judging talent that fits the Iowa way (than you or I)..
...we also don't know the inside workings ... there are some talented recruits that Fran doesn't see as a good fit or something has transpired that makes Fran change his mind. There are some real questionable undertakings in the recruiting game that I fully believe Fran will not entertain doing...none of us know who those players are... but I have a feeling they are somewhere on the Rivals Top 150 list.
...Fran has not changed his recruiting philosophy at all...if you had the opportunity to suggest that to him.....I have a feeling what his response would be.
...I don't believe Fran considers Bohannon the "next tier down". Just like he didn't think Aaron White was the next tier down...
I'd agree on Simpson. With the way he's changed his mind every month, I would be mildly surprised if he actually ends up at Michigan.
It can't be that both Kriener and Bohannon made some noise in July? Nahhhhhhhhh.
There wasn't much out there of Bohannon making noise in July, Kriener there was though. Fran offered 4 PG's that were pretty highly regarded and that was obviously his preference to land one of them. He ended up getting to a point where he didn't feel good about his chances with them and knew he could get a commitment out of Bohannon. That doesn't mean Bohannon isn't a good player but it does mean he was a fallback recruit.
I think one of Fran's great strengths is managing his roster. He runs the program like the MBA he is. He doesn't always get his first choice, but he seldom is left reaching or taking a risky recruit. Alford could never quite master his roster and it really caused problems.
No worries, I was actually responding to Clickhere01. I should have quoted him to make that clear.
I don't remember hearing that he blew up in July like Kriener did. Regardless, he was still not Fran's first, second, third or fourth choice.
Not sure why you would quote me, i never called either player a fallback.
I realize you're head cheerleader here, prowling the board and jumping on anything that you construe as negative, but you had a false alarm this time.
you don't know as a fact Bohannon was not 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th...you also don't know if any of those 4 you refer to.. were recruits that Fran no longer was interested in. To say Bohannon was #5 is assumption & speculation at best.
Ya we all want the best talent we can get..ya its a little easier recruiting in state opposed to out...but there is a lot more that goes into recruiting than saying Bohannon was down the list.
And I realize you're an angry at DanL53 guy who gets turned on trying to slam him. You aren't alone, some posters seem to hate positive outlooks, doesn't bother me, but if it brings you some joy go for it.
If I misunderstood your intent when you posted this:
"Pretty much the definition of a fallback recruit,isn't it?"
Then I apologize.
Bohannon was the 5th PG Fran offered, if any of the 4 he offered before committed prior to 8/28 than Bohannon would not be a Hawkeye. The other 4 had a lot of high major offers and were highly regarded by recruiting experts while Bohannon had no Power 5 offers. That doesn't mean Bohannon won't be good but it's pretty apparent he wasn't a priority for Fran. I do think Fran is comfortable taking him and he could be a solid role player because he's a good shooter
Simpson is a head case and attention whore. I hope he ends up at Wisconsin.
He will be there, but his coach won't.
He'll end up transferring and being a bust.
As soon as Cassius Winston chooses MSU or Michigan, then the rest will follow suit.
I'm glad Fran didn't play that game and moved onto a kid that really wanted to be a hawkeye.
I'll take kids like this all day long.
He will be there, but his coach won't.
He'll end up transferring and being a bust.
As soon as Cassius Winston chooses MSU or Michigan, then the rest will follow suit.
I'm glad Fran didn't play that game and moved onto a kid that really wanted to be a hawkeye.
I'll take kids like this all day long.
I've got an idea Bob. We stop recruiting at all until the first player evaluations from recruiting services come out.
I know, it will put us behind everybody but at least we'll be going after "the best" players.Then we recruit only the highest ranked player at each position of need. Five star guys. One at a time per position until a kid tells us to take a flying leap. Then we go to player ranked number two at that position until he tells us to drop dead.
We keep doing this, only offering one guy per position at a time.
FALLING BACK, to our second choice, third choice...
So Charlie Moore is currently considered by one service as the 14th best point guard in his class. He'd have been our 14th choice!!!! Talk about a fall back.
Anyway, I'm certain this will all end up screwing up the team but at least we fans will know exactly who the coaches wanted to begin with!
Again, a huge presumption here. That Bohannon didn't impress in July and the offer only came when the other buys appeared headed elsewhere. We don't know that for sure. What we do know is there is this thing called the July Evaluation period and although your hearing was bad Bohannon was making noise as his team won a national title, and in fact Kriener was hurt and missed the title game, the team was losing at half, and Bohannon scored thirteen, fourteen or so points in the second half to lead the team to a win.
A kid that shot over 40% from three, 94% from the free throw line in high school. Comes from good blood lines and is said to be maybe the best of all four brothers? The son of a Hawkeye quarterback?
And we presume he's a walkon because other guys were offered as well? Never gonna buy it.
because Fran offered 4 so called PG's prior to offering Bohannon...doesn't mean Bohannon was the 5th choice.
I do have a little insight to Fran's recruiting board ...and yes he has one...in that I have a nephew who is a Iowa high school head coach and has had numerous contact calls from the Iowa BB staff over the last several years. Per him...Fran's recruiting board changes "all the time"...recruits go up...recruits go down...just because a kid is offered 6 months prior to someone else...doesn't mean that kid is Iowa's preferred choice over a kid offered 6 months later..
yes Iowa was patient with Jordan Bohannon..they decided to offer based on what they saw in July..Iowa moved him "up" their board. Just like they were patient with Moss..was he a fall back?
I don't know what impact Bohannon will have on Iowa BB..never been a "guesser"...but I do know Fran is pretty good at judging talent as well as the other factors that come into play.
And another thing, CyCity. Why do you keep saying Bohannon was the fifth guy we offered? We offered Cassius Winston, the Walker kid who picked FSU, Tony (Tone) Carr, Moore, Simpson, the kid your Cyclones got, I'm pretty sure the kid that picked Notre Dame was offered as well as one that picked another Big Twelve school...but forget them as I'm unsure.
That still leaves Six before Bohannon! Holy cow that means...wow...Bohannon must be the fall back after a fall back after a fall back! Augh!!!!!!!.........
Why do you keep saying Bohannon was the fifth guy we offered? We offered Cassius Winston, the Walker kid who picked FSU, Tony (Tone) Carr, Moore, Simpson, the kid your Cyclones got, I'm pretty sure the kid that picked Notre Dame was offered as well as one that picked another Big Twelve school...but forget them as I'm unsure.That still leaves Six before Bohannon! Holy cow that means...wow...Bohannon must be the fall back after a fall back after a fall back! Augh!!!!!!!.........
I've got much more interest in the program than I've had in a long time. Looking forward to the coming year and the chance to make the Dance 3 years in a row.
But, in all honesty, recruiting hasn't been overly exciting. The biggest news has been about the upper tier guys that have opted to go elsewhere. And, while being a close second is better than completely out of the running, I'm looking forward to the day when that top 30 kid chooses the Hawks over the bigger name suitors.
But, in all honesty, recruiting hasn't been overly exciting. The biggest news has been about the upper tier guys that have opted to go elsewhere. And, while being a close second is better than completely out of the running, I'm looking forward to the day when that top 30 kid chooses the Hawks over the bigger name suitors.
We get it you think Bohannon was a fall back recruit. Guess what Brady Ernst was one. PG you got not ISUs first choice either. It happens move on with the guy you get. For Iowa and ISU unless it's an elite local kid usually swing and miss at the top target most of the time.
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