Not sure if this chat theory was discussed..

[jonesy5960]

Everyone in the chat keeps saying that they have no idea how Goldberg got the invite. What if a foreign adversary did in fact hack into this and sent the invite to Goldberg? Would we ever find out? Would the administration ever come clean or would the sheer embarrassment and potential political fallout be too great?

 

[tumorboy]

Everyone in the chat keeps saying that they have no idea how Goldberg got the invite. What if a foreign adversary did in fact hack into this and sent the invite to Goldberg? Would we ever find out? Would the administration ever come clean or would the sheer embarrassment and potential political fallout be too great?

Could an ally. He was in Austria at the time. Someone in the EU. It’s an interesting theory.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

The way I have been thinking about this is how or why would Waltz have thst guys contact info.


Something doesn't add up about that guy being in the group.

Whoever let him in, should be fired.

 

[jonesy5960]

Could an ally. He was in Austria at the time. Someone in the EU. It’s an interesting theory.

Didn't really consider the EU, but then again do we really have any true allies anymore? We're currently threatening and are dismissive of everyone with the exception of Russia. It's becoming the U.S. against the world.

 

[jonesy5960]

The way I have been thinking about this is how or why would Waltz have thst guys contact info.


Something doesn't add up about that guy being in the group.

Whoever let him in, should be fired.

Can Vladimir Putin be fired? Is he on the payroll now?

 

[ping72]

I was talking about this with my buddy in the military. He said that signal is actually pretty secure because it’s encrypted on both sides. He says the special forces use it. But he said that since it’s largely encrypted, the other countries resort instead to hacking/stealing login information to get access since they can’t intercept.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Can Vladimir Putin be fired? Is he on the payroll now?

Fired, firing squad, whatever it takes for him.

 

[seminole97]

Could an ally. He was in Austria at the time. Someone in the EU. It’s an interesting theory.

The journalist is an unapologetic neocon who literally served in the IDF.

If a foreign country hacked the app, it probably wouldn’t have been the Austrians.

 

[tumorboy]

The way I have been thinking about this is how or why would Waltz have thst guys contact info.


Something doesn't add up about that guy being in the group.

Whoever let him in, should be fired.

At least 3 people should be fired Walz, Pete, and whoever let him in the chat. The administration has been using unsecured chat apps back to Kushner and his solving of the Middle East though.

 

[tumorboy]

The journalist is an unapologetic neocon who literally served in the IDF.

If a foreign country hacked the app, it probably wouldn’t have been the Austrians.

But he’s still in the EU. Not far from France, Germany, Ukraine, etc.

 

[tumorboy]

Didn't really consider the EU, but then again do we really have any true allies anymore? We're currently threatening and are dismissive of everyone with the exception of Russia. It's becoming the U.S. against the world.

The Saudi’s considering the attack was mostly for their benefit. I’m sure they don’t want anything that could jeopardize it.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

At least 3 people should be fired Walz, Pete, and whoever let him in the chat. The administration has been using unsecured chat apps back to Kushner and his solving of the Middle East though.

I know you want that, but it isn't going to happen.

 

[seminole97]

It’s possible that Waltz’s phone has been hacked.


https://outline.com/A2qRXA

Paragon Solutions doesn’t have a website. There’s very little information at all about them online, even if the Tel Aviv-based smartphone surveillance startup’s employees are all over LinkedIn, more than 50 of them. That’s not a bad headcount for a company that’s still in stealth mode.

But it does have a cofounder, director and chief shareholder that will turn heads: Ehud Schneorson, the former commander of Israel’s NSA equivalent, known as Unit 8200. The other cofounders - CEO Idan Nurick, CTO Igor Bogudlov and vice president of research Liad Avraham - are ex-Israeli intelligence too. Also on the board is cofounding director and former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak. They also have a significant American financial backer: Boston, Massachusetts-based Battery Ventures. According to two senior employees at companies in the Israeli surveillance industry, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, the venture capital business put in between $5 and $10 million, though Battery declined to comment on the nature of its investment, which is only mentioned in brief on the company’s website.

Paragon’s product will also likely get spyware critics and surveillance experts alike rubbernecking: It claims to give police the power to remotely break into encrypted instant messaging communications, whether that’s WhatsApp, Signal, Facebook Messenger or Gmail, the industry sources said. One other spyware industry executive said it also promises to get longer-lasting access to a device, even when it’s rebooted.

The startup, founded in 2019, is quietly building up steam at a time when its ilk in the smartphone hackers-for-hire industry are under heavy fire. The Pegasus Project, a coalition of nonprofits and global publications, this month claimed to have uncloaked worldwide surveillance of journalists, lawyers and high-profile elected politicians by clients of Israel’s best known spyware provider NSO Group. The company’s CEO has rebuffed the claims made by the Project’s partners, saying it had no evidence that its tools were used to target those named in reports, from the wife of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi to French president Emmanuel Macron. The French government has already begun its investigation, but other administrations around the world are now being called on to probe just who was hacked by NSO’s spyware and why.

 

[tumorboy]

I know you want that, but it isn't going to happen.

I might want. But my wants and what should happen are correct. Hegseth created the chat group. Waltz somehow left his login information unsecured. And then someone invited the reporter. Anything in dispute?

 

[seminole97]

I might want. But my wants and what should happen are correct. Hegseth created the chat group. Waltz somehow left his login information unsecured. And then someone invited the reporter. Anything in dispute?

How do we know that Waltz left his login info unsecured?

 

[bcherod]

It’s possible that Waltz’s phone has been hacked.


https://outline.com/A2qRXA

Paragon Solutions doesn’t have a website. There’s very little information at all about them online, even if the Tel Aviv-based smartphone surveillance startup’s employees are all over LinkedIn, more than 50 of them. That’s not a bad headcount for a company that’s still in stealth mode.

But it does have a cofounder, director and chief shareholder that will turn heads: Ehud Schneorson, the former commander of Israel’s NSA equivalent, known as Unit 8200. The other cofounders - CEO Idan Nurick, CTO Igor Bogudlov and vice president of research Liad Avraham - are ex-Israeli intelligence too. Also on the board is cofounding director and former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak. They also have a significant American financial backer: Boston, Massachusetts-based Battery Ventures. According to two senior employees at companies in the Israeli surveillance industry, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, the venture capital business put in between $5 and $10 million, though Battery declined to comment on the nature of its investment, which is only mentioned in brief on the company’s website.

Paragon’s product will also likely get spyware critics and surveillance experts alike rubbernecking: It claims to give police the power to remotely break into encrypted instant messaging communications, whether that’s WhatsApp, Signal, Facebook Messenger or Gmail, the industry sources said. One other spyware industry executive said it also promises to get longer-lasting access to a device, even when it’s rebooted.

The startup, founded in 2019, is quietly building up steam at a time when its ilk in the smartphone hackers-for-hire industry are under heavy fire. The Pegasus Project, a coalition of nonprofits and global publications, this month claimed to have uncloaked worldwide surveillance of journalists, lawyers and high-profile elected politicians by clients of Israel’s best known spyware provider NSO Group. The company’s CEO has rebuffed the claims made by the Project’s partners, saying it had no evidence that its tools were used to target those named in reports, from the wife of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi to French president Emmanuel Macron. The French government has already begun its investigation, but other administrations around the world are now being called on to probe just who was hacked by NSO’s spyware and why.

That’s why you use different phones. Sheez.

However, there are still protocols about what can be discussed on phones.

No matter how you try and spin it, you can’t have a text that gives details and times of an operation. Alaska Seminole and others can explain better than I can.

There are words for things, “red ball”, for example. The average citizen wouldn’t understand it, but it’s not even classified.

 

[bcherod]

How do we know that Waltz left his login info unsecured?

We don’t. He’s just assuming.

 

[tumorboy]

How do we know that Waltz left his login info unsecured?

U are correct. But since Waltz was traveling in Russia he should have assumed non of his devices used were safe. Especially for confidential information.

 

[tumorboy]

Also it’s weird that all employees need to be in the office. Yet the top levels are using devices so they don’t have to have scheduled meetings in the office.

 

[Rifler]

Dumbest thing about this entire episode is that after reading the text it becomes immediately apparent that this conversation wasn't necessary at all,.. Nothing of substance was decided, directed, or accomplished.

 

[bcherod]

Dumbest thing about this entire episode is that after reading the text it becomes immediately apparent that this conversation wasn't necessary at all,.. Nothing of substance was decided, directed, or accomplished.

I hope no one ever gives you security clearance, if you think it’s no big deal.

 

[bcherod]

U are correct. But since Waltz was traveling in Russia he should have assumed non of his devices used were safe. Especially for confidential information.

Not to mention, all embassies have secure rooms, so there’s no excuse.

 

[ft254]

Dumbest thing about this entire episode is that after reading the text it becomes immediately apparent that this conversation wasn't necessary at all,.. Nothing of substance was decided, directed, or accomplished.

JFC.

 

[Bonerfarts]

Dumbest thing about this entire episode is that after reading the text it becomes immediately apparent that this conversation wasn't necessary at all,.. Nothing of substance was decided, directed, or accomplished.

A lot of congratulations to each other on doing absolutely nothing.

 

[Pinehawk]

Every foreign adversary should now be trying to drop/insert false contacts into the phones of key US personnel.
Especially now that everyone knows exactly how these people communicate sensitive information. It was already an insecure and reckless way to communicate, and it will certainly be an even bigger risk to national security moving forward.
Unless they admit they were wrong and change their protocol, but they aren't very good about admitting mistakes.

 

[Rifler]

I hope no one ever gives you security clearance, if you think it’s no big deal.

That's not at all what I said,.. Learn to read.

 

[Rifler]

A lot of congratulations to each other on doing absolutely nothing.

Yep,.. mostly backslapping by uninvolved managerial types.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

my hope is that someone in that group was brave enough to know they were circumventing proper procedures and that this gang of thugs currently in power is using these tools to hide their illegal activity. This person wanted it out in the open.
Is this likely the case....no.... we have dipsh!ts running the show that are so unethical and criminally minded that they have not problem trying to hide what they are doing or at least make it difficult enough to prosecute down the road.
Just wait, trump will pardon anyone that worked for him when he leaves. The criminal trail will be a mile long.

 

[Huey Grey]

I was talking about this with my buddy in the military. He said that signal is actually pretty secure because it’s encrypted on both sides. He says the special forces use it. But he said that since it’s largely encrypted, the other countries resort instead to hacking/stealing login information to get access since they can’t intercept.

Every last member of this chat could have invited anyone they wanted to join this chat. One click of a button and anyone in the entire world could instantly be part of this meeting. I would argue that this is very insecure

 

[SI_NYC]

Everyone in this administration should not be using Signal. While it may be secure for personal use, it’s nowhere near the level of security provided by a SCIF. Moreover, White House personnel are required to use devices that generate official records — something Signal doesn’t do.

 

[tumorboy]

Yep,.. mostly backslapping by uninvolved managerial types.

Most of them had no business being involved with the discussion.

 

[Joes Place]

What if a foreign adversary did in fact hack into this and sent the invite to Goldberg?

What if a foreign ALLY did it, to "rip the band aid" off the clusterf**k that is the Trump admin?

 

[seminole97]

Most of them had no business being involved with the discussion.

Who and why not?

 

[tumorboy]

Who and why not?

Treasury secretary, Miller, the reporter several others . Not their area of expertise. Plus, the fewer in the know less chance for leaks.

 

[h-hawk]

They just wanted to talk about trump and used this disappearing method to make sure he never found out about it- fail!

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Have to put dorky OP on ignore because of that stupid fvcking avatar. Not like he offers much anyway.

 

[seminole97]

Treasury secretary, Miller, the reporter several others . Nit their area of expertise. Plus, the fewer in the know less chance for leaks.

The entire premise of this war is economic, we're literally fighting to free up the trade routes for Europe and China. And I don't understand how or why you'd ever go to war anywhere without a cabinet member as senior as the Treasury Sec. in the loop.
I get that people don't like Miller, but his role as senior policy advisor and a Homeland Security are clear justification.

The decision of this country to go to war shouldn't be made in secret by a tiny WH cabal. It needs to be publicly debated, and voted upon by our Reps in Congress.

 

[tumorboy]

The entire premise of this war is economic, we're literally fighting to free up the trade routes for Europe and China. And I don't understand how or why you'd ever go to war anywhere without a cabinet member as senior as the Treasury Sec. in the loop.
I get that people don't like Miller, but his role as senior policy advisor and a Homeland Security are clear justification.

The decision of this country to go to war shouldn't be made in secret by a tiny WH cabal. It needs to be publicly debated, and voted upon by our Reps in Congress.

That loop should be meeting notes or a summary from others that need to know. Old saying on a need to know basis. Lots of things discussed he didn’t need to know

 

[seminole97]

That loop should be meeting notes or a summary from others that need to know. Old saying on a need to know basis. Lots of things discussed he didn’t need to know

We fundamentally differ on this subject. You want a smaller coterie making the decisions, and debating the merits.

It should all be debated publicly, among hundreds of our Representatives, with information their aides supply.

 

[tumorboy]

We fundamentally differ on this subject. You want a smaller coterie making the decisions, and debating the merits.

It should all be debated publicly, among hundreds of our Representatives, with information their aides supply.

Maybe debate the merits without the classified military intelligence. Probably where I’m differing or upset. Didn’t communicate it well. Sorry.