Not the refs, the offense

[RocknRollface]

What is the continuation rule even supposed to be in college now?

I know they supposedly changed it but when they change things in college it seems like they end up back where they were a year latter without any explanation.

The lack of structure in college officiating shouldn't be tolerated by the schools.

With the amount of TV money someone should be paying for full time officials that have oversight.

 

[RocknRollface]

If you were going to be a cheating reff, your odds of pulling it off would increase exponentially in college vs the pros.

 

[Shelby65]

I’m a Rutgers fan and was at the game. In common home-court (home cooking) fashion, Iowa had 8 team fouls to RU’s 1 at a point in the second half. Then the usual ‘catch up’ fouls were called on the home team in quick succession. It got to 8/6.

This is the usual dance. It’s what officials do. By games’ end they want their calls to equally impact both teams the same.

My take on the Harper (non) continuation call at the time was that since the refs were in the midst of trying to balance out calls/impact and although the foul was called (the 9th on Iowa i believe) they were still in ‘giving Iowa a break’ mode in that spot.

Early or late in the game that gets called differently. But in that reffing phase (balancing calls) it wasnt called continuation.

Also, I do agree calling that last foul with 2 seconds left was a terrible call, the worst end game call I’ve seen in 30+ years. But I hope you guys also realize that Garza got hundreds of bs calls in his favor over the years. Thats not an excuse for the terrible call last night that cost you a chance to win in OT, but recognize that youve gotten far more benefit than harm from bogus fouls for a long time. What goes around comes around so you should be the last fan base to bitch about officiating.

 

[Rifler]

But I hope you guys also realize that Garza....

OMFG.

 

[shanksit44]

It can be both and yes, Rutgers did get away with lots of grabs. We were not clean either. I am furious with the last call because they were fairly consistent in letting players be physical. The last call was 100% out of context with the game...

But it was one play.

The refs did not make us miss 5 fts out of 11.
The refs are not a 6th year senior missing his wide open 3s.
The refs didn't make our bench go 0 for the game.
The refs didn't block our outside shots.
The refs didn't coach us or make the decison on our own to stop attacking.
The refs didn't make us shoot with 0 on the shot clock because we had zero identity or solutions on offense.
The refs didn't decide which combo of players were on the floor.

As fans, we all get caught up in the game because we all love the Hawks. It's why we waste our life here on a message board. But one thing that Iowa fans seem to do is always blame officials for everything.

Rutgers ended with 15 fouls to our 16. I'm not putting the game on them.

Called for 15, but a bit shy of the amount they committed. Iowa played their normal game against a physical team. This is something that has gone on for quite some time with Frans teams. It takes them out of the free flowing game they excel at and unfortunately when you don't rebound the transition offense doesn't exist. Lets face it, Iowa's half court O is pitiful so you get the dribble forever shoot up a prayer with no time on the clock because everyone seems to be standing around.

Iowa allowed the possibility of the ending that took place with their shooting. But even with that said the ending is still on the Refs for the horrid call. Not to say they would have won it in overtime but the chance should have been there for one.

 

[DodgerHawki]

I’m a Rutgers fan and was at the game. In common home-court (home cooking) fashion, Iowa had 8 team fouls to RU’s 1 at a point in the second half. Then the usual ‘catch up’ fouls were called on the home team in quick succession. It got to 8/6.

This is the usual dance. It’s what officials do. By games’ end they want their calls to equally impact both teams the same.

My take on the Harper (non) continuation call at the time was that since the refs were in the midst of trying to balance out calls/impact and although the foul was called (the 9th on Iowa i believe) they were still in ‘giving Iowa a break’ mode in that spot.

Early or late in the game that gets called differently. But in that reffing phase (balancing calls) it wasnt called continuation.

Also, I do agree calling that last foul with 2 seconds left was a terrible call, the worst end game call I’ve seen in 30+ years. But I hope you guys also realize that Garza got hundreds of bs calls in his favor over the years. Thats not an excuse for the terrible call last night that cost you a chance to win in OT, but recognize that youve gotten far more benefit than harm from bogus fouls for a long time. What goes around comes around so you should be the last fan base to bitch about officiating.

Good grief, go away. Enjoy the win.

 

[shanksit44]

I’m a Rutgers fan and was at the game. In common home-court (home cooking) fashion, Iowa had 8 team fouls to RU’s 1 at a point in the second half. Then the usual ‘catch up’ fouls were called on the home team in quick succession. It got to 8/6.

This is the usual dance. It’s what officials do. By games’ end they want their calls to equally impact both teams the same.

My take on the Harper (non) continuation call at the time was that since the refs were in the midst of trying to balance out calls/impact and although the foul was called (the 9th on Iowa i believe) they were still in ‘giving Iowa a break’ mode in that spot.

Early or late in the game that gets called differently. But in that reffing phase (balancing calls) it wasnt called continuation.

Also, I do agree calling that last foul with 2 seconds left was a terrible call, the worst end game call I’ve seen in 30+ years. But I hope you guys also realize that Garza got hundreds of bs calls in his favor over the years. Thats not an excuse for the terrible call last night that cost you a chance to win in OT, but recognize that youve gotten far more benefit than harm from bogus fouls for a long time. What goes around comes around so you should be the last fan base to bitch about officiating.

And that's why he usually ended up with a cut in his eyebrow and a bloody lip when he walked off the court at the RAC.

I get it that Rutgers plays this type of game. It was plain to the announcers when he stated that Rutgers would continue fouling almost as a challenge for the stripes to call them for it. It works for you and for the most part they didn't. It's just the obvious BS calls that piss me off. If you feel that things even out from year to year and half to half is a normal occurrence.............. I don't know what to tell ya. It really shouldn't make any difference if your home team of not. A foul is a foul, but I've watched college ball for too many years to deny that assumption isn't fact. But consciously coming out after halftime with the thought process they need to even up the foul count? How completely insane of a thought is that? If that's what they do, and watching these clowns regularly it wouldn't surprise me, how the hell are they given any type of certification to ref anywhere?

 

[sober_teacher]

Called for 15, but a bit shy of the amount they committed. Iowa played their normal game against a physical team. This is something that has gone on for quite some time with Frans teams. It takes them out of the free flowing game they excel at and unfortunately when you don't rebound the transition offense doesn't exist. Lets face it, Iowa's half court O is pitiful so you get the dribble forever shoot up a prayer with no time on the clock because everyone seems to be standing around.

Iowa allowed the possibility of the ending that took place with their shooting. But even with that said the ending is still on the Refs for the horrid call. Not to say they would have won it in overtime but the chance should have been there for one.

Yes, iowas offense is so pitiful they were #3 in offense going into Wednesday’s game and despite only scoring 46, fell to 6th. And has been top 10 the last few years in offensive efficiency. When the offense does struggle, it usually happens when off-the-ball movement gets curtailed. Sometimes the players do it to themselves but usually it’s because of games like Wednesday, when they go against a super-physical team and the officials allow the contact.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Called for 15, but a bit shy of the amount they committed. Iowa played their normal game against a physical team. This is something that has gone on for quite some time with Frans teams. It takes them out of the free flowing game they excel at and unfortunately when you don't rebound the transition offense doesn't exist. Lets face it, Iowa's half court O is pitiful so you get the dribble forever shoot up a prayer with no time on the clock because everyone seems to be standing around.

Iowa allowed the possibility of the ending that took place with their shooting. But even with that said the ending is still on the Refs for the horrid call. Not to say they would have won it in overtime but the chance should have been there for one.

This is essentially what I am getting at. The game was allowed to be physical and Iowa doesn't run good half court sets, as you pointed out.

Again, not excusing the last whistle but there were plenty of possessions to change the score.

 

[83Hawk]

I’m a Rutgers fan and was at the game. In common home-court (home cooking) fashion, Iowa had 8 team fouls to RU’s 1 at a point in the second half. Then the usual ‘catch up’ fouls were called on the home team in quick succession. It got to 8/6.

This is the usual dance. It’s what officials do. By games’ end they want their calls to equally impact both teams the same.

My take on the Harper (non) continuation call at the time was that since the refs were in the midst of trying to balance out calls/impact and although the foul was called (the 9th on Iowa i believe) they were still in ‘giving Iowa a break’ mode in that spot.

Early or late in the game that gets called differently. But in that reffing phase (balancing calls) it wasnt called continuation.

Also, I do agree calling that last foul with 2 seconds left was a terrible call, the worst end game call I’ve seen in 30+ years. But I hope you guys also realize that Garza got hundreds of bs calls in his favor over the years. Thats not an excuse for the terrible call last night that cost you a chance to win in OT, but recognize that youve gotten far more benefit than harm from bogus fouls for a long time. What goes around comes around so you should be the last fan base to bitch about officiating.

Garza got hundreds of bs calls in his favor, huh? 🤪

 

[sober_teacher]

This is essentially what I am getting at. The game was allowed to be physical and Iowa doesn't run good half court sets, as you pointed out.

Again, not excusing the last whistle but there were plenty of possessions to change the score.

Again, no. You don’t have a top 10 offense if you can’t run a half-court offense. Wednesday was a combination of we couldn’t find the ocean when we had open shots, and the refs allowed Rutgers’ physical defense to impede iowas off the ball movement on offense.

 

[2432Hawk]

Rutgers got by with a lot of pushing and shoving.

And checking and holding cutters.... which totally effects Iowa's motion offense

 

[Hawkatheart]

No team in the country was going to look like a top 10 offense in the half-court with the way Rutgers was allowed to play defense. Don't underestimate the impact of being allowed to bump, push, and hold from a defensive standpoint. Good defense becomes great when they are able to play that physical.

 

[shanksit44]

Yes, iowas offense is so pitiful they were #3 in offense going into Wednesday’s game and despite only scoring 46, fell to 6th. And has been top 10 the last few years in offensive efficiency. When the offense does struggle, it usually happens when off-the-ball movement gets curtailed. Sometimes the players do it to themselves but usually it’s because of games like Wednesday, when they go against a super-physical team and the officials allow the contact.

Reread my post. I said half court O is pitiful. When they are running it’s fun to watch. When they go half court, too much dribbling and very little effort in second chance baskets. Or maybe you enjoy last second off balance prayers like they shot at the RAC. I’m not a fan of it.

 

[jonesy5960]

I’m a Rutgers fan and was at the game. In common home-court (home cooking) fashion, Iowa had 8 team fouls to RU’s 1 at a point in the second half. Then the usual ‘catch up’ fouls were called on the home team in quick succession. It got to 8/6.

This is the usual dance. It’s what officials do. By games’ end they want their calls to equally impact both teams the same.

My take on the Harper (non) continuation call at the time was that since the refs were in the midst of trying to balance out calls/impact and although the foul was called (the 9th on Iowa i believe) they were still in ‘giving Iowa a break’ mode in that spot.

Early or late in the game that gets called differently. But in that reffing phase (balancing calls) it wasnt called continuation.

Also, I do agree calling that last foul with 2 seconds left was a terrible call, the worst end game call I’ve seen in 30+ years. But I hope you guys also realize that Garza got hundreds of bs calls in his favor over the years. Thats not an excuse for the terrible call last night that cost you a chance to win in OT, but recognize that youve gotten far more benefit than harm from bogus fouls for a long time. What goes around comes around so you should be the last fan base to bitch about officiating.

More whataboutism. Drives me nuts. 🤦‍♂️

 

[sober_teacher]

Reread my post. I said half court O is pitiful. When they are running it’s fun to watch. When they go half court, too much dribbling and very little effort in second chance baskets. Or maybe you enjoy last second off balance prayers like they shot at the RAC. I’m not a fan of it.

And again, you don’t get top 5 offense by just running all the time, especially for a team that has struggled to rebound at times. The half-court offense is much better than you think.

it looked bad on Wednesday because Rutgers prevented their off-ball movement and the refs allowed it, and eventually the players got frustrated as well.

 

[moondog24]

It was a physical game, not unlike games in the Big 12. Iowa‘s offensive style of play doesn’t favor this type of game. Agreed, the foul call on Murray was awful. Unfortunately it happens far too frequently regardless of what conference you are in. It’s really tough to get quality officials at any level.

 

[Ronman]

I am so tired of the term, "Letting them play." It just means that the game devolved from basketball to some other primitive form of the sport where physical contact is ignored. And then, after letting the game get out of hand for 39:58, the refs decided to make a call to decide the game. It was simply a disgrace and something should be done about it, but sadly nothing will.

 

[Ronman]

I think Rutgers got credited with 10 blocks in the game...I think that at least a couple of the JBO "air balls" were actually shots that a Rutgers player got a finger on....and looked like air balls.

Several of those "blocks" were actually fouls and a couple of them might have been goal tending.

 

[Ronman]

Garza got hundreds of bs calls in his favor, huh? 🤪

Garza was infamous for fouling the two big lugs that were allowed to be hanging all over him, beating him around his head.

 

[red/green hawk]

There's gonna be bad shooting, grind-it-out type games. I'm okay with that actually. A team finding other ways to win can be a good thing. You can point to a hundred different things that could've been done better. Those calls at the end of the halfs were screw jobs plain and simple. Especially the foul. You can't call that there, hell it wasn't even a foul. That was damn good D.

 

[DewHawk]

I’m a Rutgers fan and was at the game. In common home-court (home cooking) fashion, Iowa had 8 team fouls to RU’s 1 at a point in the second half. Then the usual ‘catch up’ fouls were called on the home team in quick succession. It got to 8/6.

This is the usual dance. It’s what officials do. By games’ end they want their calls to equally impact both teams the same.

My take on the Harper (non) continuation call at the time was that since the refs were in the midst of trying to balance out calls/impact and although the foul was called (the 9th on Iowa i believe) they were still in ‘giving Iowa a break’ mode in that spot.

Early or late in the game that gets called differently. But in that reffing phase (balancing calls) it wasnt called continuation.

Also, I do agree calling that last foul with 2 seconds left was a terrible call, the worst end game call I’ve seen in 30+ years. But I hope you guys also realize that Garza got hundreds of bs calls in his favor over the years. Thats not an excuse for the terrible call last night that cost you a chance to win in OT, but recognize that youve gotten far more benefit than harm from bogus fouls for a long time. What goes around comes around so you should be the last fan base to bitch about officiating.

Yet it was Garza who was always bleeding...................

 

[Shelby65]

Not saying he didn’t get actually fouled too, but his reputation got him more cheap calls than anyone in the conference. It doesn’t excuse the bad call that may have cost you the game, but you can’t have it both ways. Pot, meet kettle.

Harper’s reputation was a factor in the call, and even so it should not have been called at that time unless blatant. Refs screwed you and bailed him out. Yes.

But again, you all seem to forget or fail to realize that your guy was the poster-child for getting lame calls his entire career.

 

[shanksit44]

Not saying he didn’t get actually fouled too, but his reputation got him more cheap calls than anyone in the conference. It doesn’t excuse the bad call that may have cost you the game, but you can’t have it both ways. Pot, meet kettle.

Harper’s reputation was a factor in the call, and even so it should not have been called at that time unless blatant. Refs screwed you and bailed him out. Yes.

But again, you all seem to forget or fail to realize that your guy was the poster-child for getting lame calls his entire career.

Hmmmm, how does a game that happened x amount of months/years ago have any affect on this game after all the body blows earlier in the game that’s decided on a BS call with no time left on the clock? Other than Harper wasn’t gonna get a clean shot off without the bailout from the asshat stripe with 2 seconds left, what’s your point?