Now for a healthy dose of some perspective...
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Was this a screw-up by the Iowa democratic party? Yes.
However, it also shows our obsession as a country and a culture with the NEED to have instant results right now, accuracy be damned.
However, it also shows our obsession as a country and a culture with the NEED to have instant results right now, accuracy be damned.
Well, the first presidential election - "Two months passed after the election before the votes were counted and Washington was notified that he had been elected President."
Spoken like a true Republican.
Yeah, well it took three weeks to get from South Carolina to Philadelphia via horse and buggy in the 1790s, too.
It comes down to the people who eventually want to be bureaucrats don’t know how to crack an egg but yet they should be allowed in the government
People need to know that the DNC has begun
to put roadblocks in the way of Bernie Sanders.
Hillary Clinton still exerts some influence with
the DNC and some allies who do her biding.
The establishment of the Democrat party does
not want Sanders to be the next President.
to put roadblocks in the way of Bernie Sanders.
Hillary Clinton still exerts some influence with
the DNC and some allies who do her biding.
The establishment of the Democrat party does
not want Sanders to be the next President.
They don't want him to be the nominee, as he would be George McGovern all over again. Bernie will never be president.
This. I understand the candidates want to know right away, but most of this is driven by the insta-news that had plans to report/analyze/discuss and were thrown off their plan and got pissed.
The actual winning campaign is the one with the real gripe.
No one laments this situation for the media's sake.
These campaigns put their resources into this not for a few dozen delegates, but for publicity, airtime, and psychological momentum a win could provide. They got robbed, or better kneecapped.
Anyone saying, 'they'll get it right eventually', isn't recognizing what was actually important here and why.
I'm still impressed we're only at 71% reporting.
I'm used to knowing right now, so it's a little hard but quite frankly in the long run it's accuracy that counts.
Honestly my local precinct just uses scan-tron ballots and I think those make the most sense. Let the scanner count them and let them be hand counted, any discrepancy between the two counts that changes the outcome or one where the results change by more than say 2% - recount.
Honestly my local precinct just uses scan-tron ballots and I think those make the most sense. Let the scanner count them and let them be hand counted, any discrepancy between the two counts that changes the outcome or one where the results change by more than say 2% - recount.
The ballots could have been hand counted 3-4 times and 100% of the results hand delivered before the time the partial results were released yesterday. This mess has tampering written all over it. True or not, that is what many people are going to think.
At least the Dems didn't try to release results that weren't true or validated. The technology they were using screwed up and they are trying to make it right. Not ideal but I'm glad they are taking their time to get it right.
Totally disagree.
There is ZERO reason we can't have results right away. Be objective and imagine this happened in, say, Alabama, and tell me how you'd react to those stupid inbred rednecks that clamor to be first, but obviously can't get their act together.
See this is why you and your ilk are idiots. There is absolutely no proof of any of this happening. Zero. None. Nada. You simply are making it up.
I’ll never vote Trump. You know why? He drowns puppies and kittens. Every day after he’s done with his 20 minutes of work, he goes to the shelter and drowns puppies and kittens.
I think you may be drinking the party Koolaide. Have you read Troy Price’s bio?
Perhaps you are correct. I hope so. But certainly you’re perceptive enough to admit there is an odor in the air.
They know it's not true, but once Trump started the "prop up Bernie and point out how's he being screwed" campaign, all his acolytes in the right wing media and supporters online have followed right in step. That way if Bernie is the nominee, in their minds it's a win for Trump in November. If he's not, then they're hoping for the same "take my ball and go home" from Sanders supporters that happened to Clinton in 2016.
As I have stated......each precinct could have counted the ballots multiple times, the results written down, driven by car to Iowa Dem headquarters, and 100% of the results reported yesterday, even before the 62% that was released at 4:00.
Is there any “funny business” going on? Probably not. But is sure looks like it.
People are dumb.
I think that's what this is and has nothing to do with some vast conspiracy or tampering. A bunch of old ladies who volunteer who can't figure crap like this out. And then a few local party leaders who aren't organized or prepared.
But, by all means, let's sensationalize it instead. Entertainment. That's what this is all about now.
Bernie is treated no differently than any other interloper using the Dem Party to advance his agenda.
The difference here is that the Dems allowed Bernie to participate, following their rules....the GOP has rules that prevent Bernie from using their Party to advance his ideas.
You have faux rage towards the Dems Lute but none towards the GOP. I find that interesting.
Dead on. The Sanders people don't know they're being played by the Trump people and the trump people are used to being useful tools so they're happy to play along.
Yes, that's another example of Iowans not being able to count properly, and it is an embarrassment as well.
I don't think that's a "gotcha" as much as it is proving my point further.
Candidates spend millions on Iowa. Media spends millions on Iowa. All because they have an expectation of results on the evening of the caucus, so that some have momentum into New Hampshire while others can better forecast their chances, if any.
Weren't there only about 160,000 people that caucused in total? That shouldn't be too tough with around 1600 precincts. It isn't like ONE person has to count to 160,000 and check the math multiple times.
I wasn't trying to gotcha. I was merely pointing out why expecting results on the same night isn't always realistic. I would rather them take the time to get it right rather than have a repeat of 2012.
You are right that they SHOULD be able to count them rather quickly but like I have said I don't think this is due to some conspiracy. It is because Iowa is old and dumb and should just switch to a primary.
It was not a “counting problem”...it was a software problem....to “hand count” after the fact is an exhaustive process. It’s much easier to hand count and report I would think.
This thing is gonna turn out as predicted...Sanders and Pete at the top, Warren in the middle...Biden did poorly and Amy remains viable another week or so. If it was bad for Biden, it was horrible for Yang.
