Now this is a fantastic political advertisement. Biden takes off the gloves
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Im voting for decorative brick and colorfully illuminated rivers.
I think Buttigieg said it best when he said "The shape of our democracy is the issue that affects every other issue."
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I dig coverage of pre-existing conditions and no lifetime caps on care. I’ll keep those and leave the “something really terrific” to the Trump University alumni.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Biden would have been a great one term candidate in 2016. I think he has slipped a bit mentally over the last few years and there are better dem candidates (Pete and Amy).
Despite his slippage, Biden is a towering intellect and great leader when compared to Trump. So if Biden is in the general election he gets my vote. Anyone but Trump in 2020.
Despite his slippage, Biden is a towering intellect and great leader when compared to Trump. So if Biden is in the general election he gets my vote. Anyone but Trump in 2020.
Watching Mayor Cheat get interviewed by Martha Rat-itz last night it was apparent he is very shallow and really comes off as a fast talking infomercial guy. Very phony.I think Buttigieg said it beat when he said "The shape of our democracy is the issue that affects every other issue."
I just spit beer out of my nose. You owe me a new keyboard, jerk.
That commercial was trash. There are responsibilities that a Mayor has, and there are responsibilities that a Vice President has. Comparing apples to oranges. Just a commercial that plays to the lowest common denominator. Further, it is evidence that Biden knows that the ship is sinking faster than the Titanic.
And before I get the experience argument. Biden hadn't been a vice-President before he became one. Obama had no experience as an executive before he became President.
And before I get the experience argument. Biden hadn't been a vice-President before he became one. Obama had no experience as an executive before he became President.
IDK, but much of politics is claiming responsibility for things they're only tangentially responsible for.
It is trash and does play to his base. IDK if you are from Iowa but the ads he ran were mostly "presidential" and only attacked Trump. Along with his ground campaign that got him 4th in the caucuses.
I enjoy good mockery as much as anyone, and I'm not a big fan of Mayor Pete, but I think this goes a bit too far.
Then again, I suspect the ad will be effective.
If I were a strong Pete supporter, I suspect I'd be rather pissed.
How will Pete's campaign fight back, or will they ignore it?
An interesting question that I haven't heard asked is why, if Biden was the lead actor in so much of what Obama accomplished, hasn't Obama endorsed him? Was he really the lead actor? Did Obama really think he was America's best VP?
I mean it's pretty clear that Obama isn't excited about Sanders or Warren. So who is he keeping his powder dry for?
Keep in mind mayor Pete was about 6th most important person in his city after ND president, Nd fball coach, Nd AD, Nd Bb coach, Nd womens bball coach.
So Biden runs an ad saying Mayor Pete was effective in doing his job and made his city a better place to live? Hardly seems like a winning strategy.
This really could blow up in Biden's face. If he has truly "taken the gloves off" and gone negative, that leaves him open to someone running negative ads against him. Off the top of my head, I can think of half a dozen things that could be used against him, starting with plagiarism and running through sniffing little girls' hair.
This really could blow up in Biden's face. If he has truly "taken the gloves off" and gone negative, that leaves him open to someone running negative ads against him. Off the top of my head, I can think of half a dozen things that could be used against him, starting with plagiarism and running through sniffing little girls' hair.
There’s a reason he finished with Pete firing the African American police chief. I guess I wouldn’t call that an accomplishment. This was all about getting ready for SC and Super Tuesday because if Pete doesn’t start polling above 2% with African Americans he’s finished. This was a fantastic ad, it’s just too bad Joe doesn’t have any money and can only run this on the internet and not on tv.
Kloubuchar is the most electable. Women do not like Warren, she rubs them the wrong way, like Hillary. Pete will not play well in the South and blacks will not be motivated to get out and vote for him.
His handlers are smart to keep Joe out of his own ads. Maybe that lady could answer the questions at the next debate.
I think the Obamas are staying out of the nomination process, but will fully support whoever is the nominee.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
As a Pete supporter I found this poll interesting.
It shows he has almost identical favorability among whites and blacks. But significantly higher unfavorability among whites and many African Americans saying they don’t know much about him. It will be interesting to see if they stick with Biden as they learn about Pete.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/73jqd6u5mv/econTabReport.pdf
First Biden got his ass kicked by a Community Organizer, and is going down to a small city Mayor. Biden really needs to hang it up. He will be done within 3 weeks anyway. He's out of cash.
Waiting for Pete to hit back with an Ad comparing Bidens military service to his.
He’ll wait until super tuesday then sell his delegates to little mikey.
That's the line I'd take, too, if I didn't fully support my VP.
Nor is it really true, because Obama has already attacked Bernie (and maybe Warren, too, although my brain is a little foggy on that at the moment). So he's already taking sides against. Why not for?
If you are criticizing some, but pointedly NOT supporting the person you'd be expected to support, what does that say?
Pete should do the same ad back. Where it says...”As leader Pete did this big thing...as Vice...Biden ALMOST did something. But hey...he watched.” Maybe not.
I guess I missed any public comments by Obama about Sanders specifically. The only public one I remember was about old men getting out of the way. That could apply to Joe as well as Bernie. Were there other public comments I have missed?
I don't understand the credit Pete gets for his military service. He spent a few months at a desk job in Afghanistan.
Nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to diminish it. Nothing particularly impressive about it, either.
What am I missing?
Several mayors across the nation came to Pete Buttigieg’s defense after former Vice President Joe Biden released a critical ad saying the former South Bend, Ind., mayor was too inexperienced to be elected president.
The mayors pounced both on the ad and a comment from Rob Flaherty, the digital director of Biden’s presidential campaign, saying that the ad had more views than the population of South Bend.
“This is disrespectful to those of us who deal with the issues facing our communities EVERY DAY....while we get no movement from the Capitol in DC,” tweeted Dayton, Ohio Mayor Nan Whaley, a Buttigieg backer.
“As Mayor of Waterloo with a population of 68,000 are you saying that voices from cities like mine don't matter? All communities matter whether small or large,” Quentin Hart, the mayor of Waterloo, Iowa, added in response to Flaherty’s remark.
Christopher Cabaldon, the mayor of West Sacramento, added that "dismissive elitism" will not unite the country and Christine Hunschofsky called the ad "arrogant" and "disrespectful."
While several candidates have expressed concerns about Buttigieg’s experience as a talking point on the campaign trail, the issue burst into the open when Biden put out his ad comparing his experience with that of Buttigieg.
“Both Vice President Biden and former Mayor Pete have helped shape our economy. Joe Biden helped save the auto industry, which revitalized the economy of the Midwest, and led the passage and the implementation of the Recovery Act, saving our economy from a depression,” a narrator says in the clip. “Pete Buttigieg revitalized the sidewalks of downtown South Bend by laying out decorative brick.”
The ad came after Buttigieg virtually tied Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in Monday’s Iowa caucuses and polls show him surging in New Hampshire, in part by peeling off support from Biden.
Buttigieg has responded to attacks on his experience by doubling down on his record overseeing South Bend and maintaining that it is time to “turn the page” from the Obama administration.
"The perspective that I'm bringing is that of somebody whose life was shaped by the decisions that are made in those big, white buildings in Washington, D.C.," he said at Friday’s primary debate. "We need a perspective right now that will finally allow us to leave the politics of the past in the past, turn the page, and bring change to Washington before it's too late."
Svante Myrick, the mayor of Ithaca, N.Y., said elected executives like Buttigieg can bring transferrable skills to the 2020 race.
“My two cents, having been both a legislator and an elected executive. The biggest difference between the two is not the number of constituents you represent. It's the skill set,” he tweeted. “Can you choose a good staff, manage personalities, resolve conflict, set a vision. Having prior experience running an agency, company, or government is something look for.”
“There are transferable skills - especially around winning elections. But I wouldn't disqualify someone for the number of constituents they represented in their last job.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...R7wkfxlPRVV4pJn7AJElfTh2lb9kpiesVowjf8aMuNEV0
The mayors pounced both on the ad and a comment from Rob Flaherty, the digital director of Biden’s presidential campaign, saying that the ad had more views than the population of South Bend.
“This is disrespectful to those of us who deal with the issues facing our communities EVERY DAY....while we get no movement from the Capitol in DC,” tweeted Dayton, Ohio Mayor Nan Whaley, a Buttigieg backer.
“As Mayor of Waterloo with a population of 68,000 are you saying that voices from cities like mine don't matter? All communities matter whether small or large,” Quentin Hart, the mayor of Waterloo, Iowa, added in response to Flaherty’s remark.
Christopher Cabaldon, the mayor of West Sacramento, added that "dismissive elitism" will not unite the country and Christine Hunschofsky called the ad "arrogant" and "disrespectful."
While several candidates have expressed concerns about Buttigieg’s experience as a talking point on the campaign trail, the issue burst into the open when Biden put out his ad comparing his experience with that of Buttigieg.
“Both Vice President Biden and former Mayor Pete have helped shape our economy. Joe Biden helped save the auto industry, which revitalized the economy of the Midwest, and led the passage and the implementation of the Recovery Act, saving our economy from a depression,” a narrator says in the clip. “Pete Buttigieg revitalized the sidewalks of downtown South Bend by laying out decorative brick.”
The ad came after Buttigieg virtually tied Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in Monday’s Iowa caucuses and polls show him surging in New Hampshire, in part by peeling off support from Biden.
Buttigieg has responded to attacks on his experience by doubling down on his record overseeing South Bend and maintaining that it is time to “turn the page” from the Obama administration.
"The perspective that I'm bringing is that of somebody whose life was shaped by the decisions that are made in those big, white buildings in Washington, D.C.," he said at Friday’s primary debate. "We need a perspective right now that will finally allow us to leave the politics of the past in the past, turn the page, and bring change to Washington before it's too late."
Svante Myrick, the mayor of Ithaca, N.Y., said elected executives like Buttigieg can bring transferrable skills to the 2020 race.
“My two cents, having been both a legislator and an elected executive. The biggest difference between the two is not the number of constituents you represent. It's the skill set,” he tweeted. “Can you choose a good staff, manage personalities, resolve conflict, set a vision. Having prior experience running an agency, company, or government is something look for.”
“There are transferable skills - especially around winning elections. But I wouldn't disqualify someone for the number of constituents they represented in their last job.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...R7wkfxlPRVV4pJn7AJElfTh2lb9kpiesVowjf8aMuNEV0
I think there was something more pointed about socialism or radicalism but here are a couple links that came up when I googled:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...said-he-would-speak-up-to-stop-sanders-report
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/17/barack-obama-old-white-men
joe biden always takes off the gloves around 10 year old girls, then he can feel their soft hair better
I read those, but at the risk of sounding like a Trump supporter there are not direct quotes from Obama about Bernie.
He hasn’t said that directly to me,” the adviser said. “The only reason I'm hesitating at all is because, yeah, if Bernie were running away with it, I think maybe we would all have to say something. But I don't think that's likely. It's not happening.”
This is a direct quote from The Hill article.
“Look, we have a field of very accomplished, very serious and passionate and smart people who have a history of public service, and whoever emerges from the primary process I will work my tail off to make sure that they are the next president,” Obama said earlier this month, according to his spokesperson.
