Nunge in Rivals top 150

[DanL53]

I don't know if anyone has noticed, as I was off the computer for a week, but Jack Nunge is now ranked 147 by Rivals.

That's three Iowa recruits in the 2017 class ranked in the 100-150 range. Just for fun a quick glance at the B1G:

Illinois: #52, #91
Indiana: #115, #130
Iowa: #107, #116, #147
Maryland: #54, #64
Michigan: #102, #132
Michigan State: #6, #82
Minnesota: #59
Nebraska: #99, #148
Ohio State: #83
Purdue: #73, #149
Wisconsin: #79, #93

That doesn't account for other players of note. For instance DaMonte Williams, an Illinois recruit, is ranked #148 by 247Sports. And of course there are a few guys still uncommitted off Rivals list (eight, by my count).

Overall it looks like a pretty tough year for the Big Ten, just one guy in the top 50? But I think it has something to do with how many young teams the league currently has.

I'm sure I'm not alone in being very happy with Iowa's last two recruiting classes, 2016 & 2017. We've had a good portion of highly ranked guys, and our usual McCaffery "finds".

Anyway, congrats to Nunge for playing his way into the rankings.

 

[hawksense]

And our hearts.

 

[hawk_it]

Thanks for the research! Really fun to look at B1G schools this way.

 

[KuwaitHawk]

No jNW, Ped St or RUTgers

 

[Franisdaman]

I was off the computer for a week

Best week of our lives.

 

[Ronman]

You really gonna start that crap again, T-bone?

 

[perryhawk]

I don't know if anyone has noticed, as I was off the computer for a week, but Jack Nunge is now ranked 147 by Rivals.

That's three Iowa recruits in the 2017 class ranked in the 100-150 range. Just for fun a quick glance at the B1G:

Illinois: #52, #91
Indiana: #115, #130
Iowa: #107, #116, #147
Maryland: #54, #64
Michigan: #102, #132
Michigan State: #6, #82
Minnesota: #59
Nebraska: #99, #148
Ohio State: #83
Purdue: #73, #149
Wisconsin: #79, #93

That doesn't account for other players of note. For instance DaMonte Williams, an Illinois recruit, is ranked #148 by 247Sports. And of course there are a few guys still uncommitted off Rivals list (eight, by my count).

Overall it looks like a pretty tough year for the Big Ten, just one guy in the top 50? But I think it has something to do with how many young teams the league currently has.

I'm sure I'm not alone in being very happy with Iowa's last two recruiting classes, 2016 & 2017. We've had a good portion of highly ranked guys, and our usual McCaffery "finds".

Anyway, congrats to Nunge for playing his way into the rankings.

A person could look at those numbers and say that other than MSU Iowa has the best group.

 

[dsmithqc]

How did Nunge end up in Indiana POY? He was in the final 4 last i heard.

 

[DanL53]

How did Nunge end up in Indiana POY? He was in the final 4 last i heard.

I'm pretty sure it will be announced on the 29th.

Or................27th. Runner up.

 

[LaoHawk]

Nunge will play with a chip on his shoulder for being a runner up like White did for being overlooked, except that Nunge will play like Whitey with Uthoff skills. Throw in Garza and the rest of the fine crew coming back, I think IA will surprise again and be in the top 3 next season.

 

[Franisdaman]

You really gonna start that crap again, T-bone?

T-bone?

So you are saying you like the 10 paragraph posts that contain nothing but nonsense?

You like interacting with an individual (who supposedly is a grown man) who acts worse than a child/?

You like a poster's inability to take off the black and gold sunglasses and actually use his mind and think/post logically?

Says a lot about you.

Thanks for letting us know.

 

[hawk-i bob]

who is us?
name them....

 

[Franisdaman]

who is us?
name them....

are you, too, a grown man who posts and behaves like a child and cannot think/post logically?

don't answer that.

you already did.

thanks for letting us know.

 

[hawksense]

Another hijacked thread. Please, stop.

 

[Franisdaman]

Another hijacked thread. Please, stop.

Sorry about that; but I don't have much time or patience for posters like Dan.

Bottom line: When posters like Dan come after me with a bunch of posts containing childish, nonending paragraphs of nonsense, I am going to put Dan, the child, in his place.

 

[hawksense]

This is a basketball board for basketball opinion.

You've all been heard. Stop responding to each other.

 

[hawk-i bob]

are you, too, a grown man who posts and behaves like a child and cannot think/post logically?

don't answer that.

you already did.

thanks for letting us know.

who is us?????

 

[Franisdaman]

who is us?????

and, of course, you answered.

we all thank you; we all have learned a lot about you and your friend Dan.

 

[hawk-i bob]

This is a basketball board for basketball opinion.

You've all been heard. Stop responding to each other.

ya well i dont pay a $100 bucks to have someone ask me if I post like a child? not going to happen...this was a good thread...who did the hyjacking...you are correct it needs to stop.

 

[hawk-i bob]

and, of course, you answered.

we all thank you; we all have learned a lot about you and your friend Dan.

who is we all thank you? YOU?

 

[unoHawkeye]

T-bone?

Yeah, everybody here who posts/posted on the Scout site knows your schtick

 

[jwardelt]

A person could look at those numbers and say that other than MSU Iowa has the best group.

LoL wut?

Illinois, Maryland, and UW all have 2 in the top 100. UW's 3rd recruit is criminally underrated in Kobe King. Think Devin Harris. Not ranked appropriately because of AAU time missed due to injury. He'll likely end up being our best when all is said and done.

 

[hawk-i bob]

A person could look at those numbers and say that other than MSU Iowa has the best group.

and it is a group that joins a pretty good returning group.
in Illinois' case..their #52 & #91 may need to carry a pretty heavy load...not always the best scenario for an incoming freshman in the B1G.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Sorry about that; but I don't have much time or patience for posters like Dan.

Bottom line: When posters like Dan come after me with a bunch of posts containing childish, nonending paragraphs of nonsense, I am going to put Dan, the child, in his place.

Quite immature of you. Childish even.

Take the high road, if you can. An adult could, can you?

 

[Franisdaman]

Quite immature of you. Childish even.

Take the high road, if you can. An adult could, can you?

Take a look at my posts and take a look at Dan's and tell me who is the adult and who is the child.

Thank you.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Take a look at my posts and take a look at Dan's and tell me who is the adult and who is the child.

Thank you.

am reading the posts in this thread and it is quite clear Dan is taking the high road here.

 

[Franisdaman]

am reading the posts in this thread and it is quite clear Dan is taking the high road here.

read this thread and tell me what you think about Dan:

https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...a-long-time-ago-he-wasn’t-coming-back.187627/

 

[ichawk24]

The ignore feature is very useful. I just used it on a poster in this thread. Goodbye.

 

[TopHawkeye]

The ignore feature is very useful. I just used it on a poster in this thread. Goodbye.

Just curious - if there an "ignore" option on the Hawkeye Report site, how do you activate it & where is it? thanks. May not use it, but then again....

 

[DanL53]

Just curious - if there an "ignore" option on the Hawkeye Report site, how do you activate it & where is it? thanks. May not use it, but then again....

Click on Posters name/moniker. A box will appear with several options including ignore.

 

[DanL53]

Just for a little more fun: Here are two other sites...names not mentioned but one lists tons of guys(I stopped at 200) and the other has a top 100. Both fairly well known. It's kind of fun comparing the difference between ranking sites, of which I still believe Rivals is most accurate by the end of the players high school senior season.

So, top 100 from one site:

Michigan State, #8, #71
Michigan, #48, #72
Minnesota, #65
Ohio State, #69
Purdue, #81
Wisconsin, #83
Indiana, #88
Iowa, #89, #98
Illinois, #90
Maryland, #99
Nebraska, #100

From a site listing hundreds of guys in a composite of multiple sites fashion, I'm only listing top 200:

Michigan State, #7, #87
Minnesota, #58
Wisconsin, #63, #101, #167
Purdue, #67, #159
Ohio State, #70
Maryland, #72, #80
Illinois, #74, #102, #148
Indiana, #75, #118
Nebraska, #83, #137
Michigan, #89, #129, #193
Iowa, #109, #112, #149
Northwestern, #184

Here's Rivals again to make things easy to compare:

Illinois: #52, #91
Indiana: #115, #130
Iowa: #107, #116, #147
Maryland: #54, #64
Michigan: #102, #132
Michigan State: #6, #82
Minnesota: #59
Nebraska: #99, #148
Ohio State: #83
Purdue: #73, #149
Wisconsin: #79, #93

Wow...Maryland has a guy ranked #64 by Rivals, but #72 and #99 by the other two sites? And a #54 by Rivals, but #80 on another site and none on ESP....ooops, the top 100 site! But that has to be an error because I checked his name specifically on their site and they say he's #71! The Mystery #71 I guess....secret player...whatever.

I guess it goes to show how much the rankings vary. And frankly, they all can get a guy right sometimes. ESPN had Bohannon a four star last year..I don't think anyone else came close to that.

So what's it mean to me? Well, I once thought that after the top 35 or so players rankings didn't matter. But recent math smart guys (Black Heart Gold Pants had one) convinced me all rankings mean a little. From the fairly accurate top, to the smidgeon off accuracy at the bottom. But, looking at the variables above, I just don't think one can say Player A ranked #148, #89 and NR, is going to be that much better or worse (or that they will be close..it's a who really knows) than player B ranked #109, #90, #116. What if player A is the #89th best but player B is #116!?!?

Along with all the issues of injuries during evaluations, unmeasurables such as maturity, or interest in the game, and other stuff but you get my point...I suppose I'm saying we have competed well in recruiting this season...now we hope it translates.

Just for fun the same three lists (some are shorter as many players not evaluated yet, and keep in mind these constantly change.) for the 2018 class, also remember that for most schools recruiting is far from done:

2018:
The Big site, which is crazy to rank this far out so soon.

Iowa #42
Wisconsin #51
Minnesota #57
Rutgers #108
Michigan State #119, #152
Ohio State #129, #156
Michigan #181

The top 100 is only a top 60 for 2018:
Wisconsin #23
Iowa #45
Ohio State #54
Minnesota #55

Rivals:
Iowa #44
Wisconsin #68
Minnesota #75
Michigan State #92, #97
Rutgers #94
Ohio State #124, #127
Michigan #129

2019? Presuming Patrick McCaffery is ours..which I will...

The huge list goes to 152 players and McCaffery is #50. Nobody has committed to a Big Ten school

The place that employs Dick Vitale only lists 25 guys right now. McCaffery is not on it. No commits.

Rivals has McCaffery at #23 of 100 guys and no commits to a Big Ten school yet.

I think, we're just a little ahead of the game and as I've mentioned before this should give us a massive head start recruiting the 2019 class that have just finished their sophomore high school years!

 

[perryhawk]

A person could look at those numbers and say that other than MSU Iowa has the best group.

LoL wut?

Illinois, Maryland, and UW all have 2 in the top 100. UW's 3rd recruit is criminally underrated in Kobe King. Think Devin Harris. Not ranked appropriately because of AAU time missed due to injury. He'll likely end up being our best when all is said and done.

I hear what you are saying......but I think Iowa's group of recruits (3 v 2 for Wisconsin) in the top 150 is arguably a better group. When you talk about underrated Jack Nunge could be Significantly underrated....think Uthoff.

 

[Eternal Return]

I have no idea who is who as far as posting history, but I for one appreciated seeing the breakdown of the rankings of incoming recruits in the B1G.

 

[CanadaHawk]

I hear what you are saying......but I think Iowa's group of recruits (3 v 2 for Wisconsin) in the top 150 is arguably a better group. When you talk about underrated Jack Nunge could be Significantly underrated....think Uthoff.

Agree. Nunge is underrated because he didn't go to the shoe camps where kids get rated- probably good for our recruitment of him. Him being like Uthoff is probably what got him to Iowa. Looking at our roster, there's not obvious immediate PT for him. Got to feel Fran sold him on the idea of being Uthoff 2.0. But Nunge might indeed get PT next year if he can be a rim protector.

 

[like-woahh]

read this thread and tell me what you think about Dan:

https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/fran-dale-made-the-decision-a-long-time-ago-he-wasn’t-coming-back.187627/

I see someone disagreeing with you and you being a whiney little girl about it. Put him on ignore and get over it. Stop ruining non related threads like a petulent child.

 

[Eternal Return]

Agree. Nunge is underrated because he didn't go to the shoe camps where kids get rated- probably good for our recruitment of him. Him being like Uthoff is probably what got him to Iowa. Looking at our roster, there's not obvious immediate PT for him. Got to feel Fran sold him on the idea of being Uthoff 2.0. But Nunge might indeed get PT next year if he can be a rim protector.

Agree on the Uthoff 2.0 idea. I also like the idea of him playing with and learning from Baer who might be the closest comparison currently on the team, with the difference being that Nunge has 2 or 3 inches on Baer. Baer is like a poor man's Uthoff, but more effective in tight quarters where scrapping is important. If Nunge, with his talent, can scrap like Baer he'll find time on the floor. Baer will be, what, a junior next year? I like the fact that Iowa doesn't desperately need him to be "the man" or anything like that. Iowa's team is shaping up to be very balanced, talented, and deep.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I hear what you are saying......but I think Iowa's group of recruits (3 v 2 for Wisconsin) in the top 150 is arguably a better group. When you talk about underrated Jack Nunge could be Significantly underrated....think Uthoff.

With Wisconsin's decade plus long degree of success -- recruiting talent fit to their system shouldn't be & isn't an issue...although some Wisconsin fans will say they are interested to see what a total Gard team will look like after Bo's Boys are totally done.

Considering Iowa's past decade (3 of Lick) (7 of Fran)...we have climped out of the hole & are now climping up. I'm not big on recruiting ranking numbers but would admit its better than not being I guess. What I like is Garza & Nunge 'add' rebounding (both ends) & interior defense & offense, better free throw shooting, the ability to guard the other teams big man which will allow guys like Cook to 'move over'.

I think both Uthoff ...(sorry Nunge) and Luka are underrated but in the end doesnt matter.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Agree on the Uthoff 2.0 idea. I also like the idea of him playing with and learning from Baer who might be the closest comparison currently on the team, with the difference being that Nunge has 2 or 3 inches on Baer. Baer is like a poor man's Uthoff, but more effective in tight quarters where scrapping is important. If Nunge, with his talent, can scrap like Baer he'll find time on the floor. Baer will be, what, a junior next year? I like the fact that Iowa doesn't desperately need him to be "the man" or anything like that. Iowa's team is shaping up to be very balanced, talented, and deep.

totally agree...can easily see a Baer/Nunge combo at the so-called "3".... Nunge has the ability to play outside on offense & create alot of matchup issues at his height. And while Nicholas is probably a little quicker ...Having a 6'11" Nunge on defense adds alot of length.

This also reduces the fight for playing time at the so-called 4 & 5 ...amongst the other 6. Good Luck Fran...

 

[CanadaHawk]

Agree on the Uthoff 2.0 idea. I also like the idea of him playing with and learning from Baer who might be the closest comparison currently on the team, with the difference being that Nunge has 2 or 3 inches on Baer. Baer is like a poor man's Uthoff, but more effective in tight quarters where scrapping is important. If Nunge, with his talent, can scrap like Baer he'll find time on the floor. Baer will be, what, a junior next year? I like the fact that Iowa doesn't desperately need him to be "the man" or anything like that. Iowa's team is shaping up to be very balanced, talented, and deep.

Like the idea of Baer being Nunge's tutor. Think Jack could learn a lot from him. But that also turns the mind to Baer. I'm wondering what the ceiling is on this kid? Certainly don't think it's endless. Just hard to evaluate because a big part of it is mental. He's combined hustle and court awareness with enough physical talent to be 6th man of the year. I bring it up because, looking at the roster, Baer is really the veteran leader of the team next year. And because of his role of filling in the gaps in Iowa's play, in a way, his personal ceiling will determine how far this team can go. Could he be the team's 2nd or 3rd leading scorer? Could he have a shot at an all-league defensive team eventually?

 

[DanL53]

Like the idea of Baer being Nunge's tutor. Think Jack could learn a lot from him. But that also turns the mind to Baer. I'm wondering what the ceiling is on this kid? Certainly don't think it's endless. Just hard to evaluate because a big part of it is mental. He's combined hustle and court awareness with enough physical talent to be 6th man of the year. I bring it up because, looking at the roster, Baer is really the veteran leader of the team next year. And because of his role of filling in the gaps in Iowa's play, in a way, his personal ceiling will determine how far this team can go. Could he be the team's 2nd or 3rd leading scorer? Could he have a shot at an all-league defensive team eventually?

Or Baer is one leader and others emerge, especially I suspect from our sophomores. Any good leader can use some Lieutenants and I suspect Bohannon and Cook are vocal enough and have bought into the system.

That'll free Baer up to run the timeout huddles while Fran and staff enjoy a hotdog and soft drink and a nice break now and then.

I mean, the best ceiling Baer has is still between his ears...as far as he's come I just don't see limits to how much further he can go. If I haven't said enough of how cerebral a player I think he is, I tried.