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October 24, 2015 - Whom to root for?

Every year when the season starts, I have one dream with Iowa, make the Rose Bowl.
To accomplish that, Iowa has to either
1) win Championship Game and miss Playoffs
or
2) Lose Championship and be selected over #2 team from the East Division

If Iowa loses more than one game rest of way, the odds of beating OSU Or MSU aren't real good.
So for option #2, Iowa Can't lose more than one game before BCC to get the Nod over MSU.

Since Iowa Can't lose more than one more game really to meet above goals, Wisconsin can't catch Iowa based on tie breakers and Wisconsin wins help Iowa in comparision to MSU. Wisconsin could end up ranked higher than any team MSU has beaten if they win out and Michigan loses to OSU.

As far as NW vs Nebraska, it probably doesn't matter since both are getting more losses from the east and not going to make rankings.
 
A+ analysis. Since our strongest argument for SOS runs through Madison and Evanston, we should want Badgers and Cats to win out (except when they play each other of course). The more impressive they are, the more impressive we are.

A: keep winning
B: we'd prefer to have Big10 West division teams beat their cross-division East counterparts. I believe as of now, the East division owns just 1 more win over the West (11-9 E-W, as opposed to 10-10). For people to claim the West is a 'weak' division, that argument will fall flat if the East/West split remains close to .500 on inter-division games. Iowa's SoS is now mostly reliant on how the whole West division plays vs the East (and on Pitt).

If the West totally tanks and falls 4 or 5 games/wins below the East overall, it will weaken our SoS more. It'd also help if our two East division foes (IU/MD) were to upset other teams in the East and add some 'opponent wins' to our SoS, but I don't see too many W's left on their East division opponent schedules (maybe PSU, Rutgers for MD, not much for IU).

C: None of the interdivision West games really make much difference to Iowa's SoS; however, it'd look better if a few of the other teams win-out and have better records by the end of the season (e.g. NW/Wisc). But all those W's/L's cancel out relating to Iowa's SoS in the computers.
 
In my perfect world Iowa and OSU would win out until the championship game. Northwestern wins out giving a loss to both WI and Nebraska. Nebraska beats MSU.

In this scenario if we beat OSU who will still be #1 we are in the playoffs. No way are we perfect with a win over #1 and would we get slighted. Should we lose MSU would have 2 league losses (Neb & OSU), Wisconsin would have 2 losses (Neb & Iowa), Michigan would have losses to (MSU & OSU),and if Iowa gets to the championship game undefeated the worst we would be looking at is the Rose Bowl even if we were to lose in the championship game.

So long story short I am a NW fan in every game they play and I root for OSU until the championship. More distasteful I want MSU to lose to Neb.
 
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I disagree with most. I think it would be best for Iowa to have Wisconsin win out as well as Nebraska up til the Iowa game. If Wisconsin wins out they will be rated by the end of the year somewhere between 12-20. If Nebraska wins out before the Iowa game it will hype up that game a lot more nationally. By the end of the season it would be nice to have a couple ranked teams that we have beat so even if we lose in the B1G championship Iowa likely still gets the Rose Bowl or Fiesta Bowl . I see a lot of one loss teams and highly rated 2 loss teams at the end of the year and who they played and beat will come into question. If Iowa doesnt have a top 25 win it will hurt us especially if we are competing with a one loss MSU with bigger wins then Iowa.
 
I personally don't care about any of the big ten games. Iowa controls their own destiny and what happens under them doesn't concern me and I'm sure it doesn't concern them. If they win out, they are going to have to beat a very good team from the east, whether it be OSU, Mich St. or even Mich.
What I would like to see, is some upsets in the SEC and ACC. Alabama, TX a&m, going down. Clemson and Florida St. going down. Those are the games that are HUGE for iowa if they keep winning, because it will vault them up the rankings.
You should listen to me because I'm an alumnus who has given more to the university and program than any of you, and I have great sources, so I am always right. Lol. Had to throw that in there because somebody posted that I sound like I have SP syndrome. lol. Not sure what he was referring to?
 
History tells me that we wont go unbeaten. I am being realistic. Yes, I would much rather be in the playoff.

Yup. Winning out is a long shot.

But history has nothing to do with it. The 2015 B1G teams and matchups have nothing to do with history. Winning out will take a combo of great execution in all facets of the game and maybe a little luck along the way. But history isn't a factor.
 
History tells me that we wont go unbeaten. I am being realistic. Yes, I would much rather be in the playoff.

What history would that be? They were unbeaten 3 times in "history". Have been to 5 Rose Bowls...although the last was 25 years ago. So that is "history" as well.

I remember when Penn St joined the BIG, that an announcer (I don't remember who) made the comment that JoPa was going to show the coaches in the BIG that the going to the Rose Bowl wasn't the end all be all. The goal was a National Championship. This isn't to discuss the merits of JoPa, PSU, or any of that.

The point is the Rose Bowl should be considered a consolation prize. The CFP is the goal.
 
Are you people stupid? The stats are not in our favor for going unbeaten. 3 times out of 125+ years of football?
 
We will be favored in each of the rest of our games. I believe we win all 3 games at home for sure. That leaves @ Indiana and @ Nebraska. Indiana gave up 55 points to Rutgers last week, they play no defense whatsoever so I like our chances to beat Indiana. If we hold serve at home and beat Indiana, we win the West. Nebraska can keep us from running the table and would probably knock us out of the play-offs if they beat us.
Bottom line, it's all there for us to grab. All goals can still be reached and I think we do go 12-0 in the regular season. I don't know that we match up very well with Ohio State.
 
We shouldn't drop more than 1 game, so root for the teams who help our SOS cause (even ISU). And if we do lose more than 1 game with the remaining schedule, we don't deserve to be in the BTT.

Yep. The best analysis is often short and simple. No over-thinking.

A lot of people are analyzing how Iowa could still get to Indy by going 3-2 in the relatvely easy last 5 games? I'm ok with not going, if we had to back into it like that.
 
If Iowa wins the rest of their games it doesn't really matter what the other teams do
 
If Iowa wins the rest of their games it doesn't really matter what the other teams do

Agree. Which is exactly why I would rather Wisconsin win out and Nebraska win out up til the Iowa game. Would love to see at the end of the year Wisconsin and Pitt ranked in the 12-20 range. That will help Iowa out a lot. Hopefully Pitt can have an upset or two.
 
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Agree. Which is exactly why I would rather Wisconsin win out and Nebraska win out up til the Iowa game. Would love to see at the end of the year Wisconsin and Pitt ranked in the 12-20 range. That will help Iowa out a lot. Hopefully Pitt can have an upset or two.

Yeah, I think Wisconsin winning out is likely but I don't see it with Nebraska because I think they will lose against MSU and possibly against Northwestern. I think Pitt will win their division and be in the top 25 at the end of year and I hope they beat ND
 
Please --- "For whom to root." Ending your sentence in a preposition. Shameful. I see this sort of sentence structure on the Purdue board. Al Davis would say, "Just win, baby!"
No way, dude. That rule is extremely outdated. You might want to check out an updated Chicago Manual of Style before you decide to be an incorrect pretentious douche next time.
 
History tells me that we wont go unbeaten. I am being realistic. Yes, I would much rather be in the playoff.

Your defeatist attitude is understandable based on what we have seen in the past. Normally we do lose games we shouldn't, but I feel this year may be different. Maybe it's wishful thinking, we'll see. As long as Beathard is taking the snaps I feel like Iowa doesn't lose games like that. I felt that way when Pitt tied the game up with under a minute left. I still had no doubt Iowa was going to win. That's the difference this year.
We get healthy again, look out.
 
I am just stating that my goal is a Rose Bowl, at a minimum. I am all for the playoff. But beating OSU will be a handful. MSU, not so much.
 
I am just stating that my goal is a Rose Bowl, at a minimum. I am all for the playoff. But beating OSU will be a handful. MSU, not so much.

Yeah I think we may start to see a much better OSU team with the change at QB. I see them having a vey dynamic offense now moving forward.
 
Yeah I think we may start to see a much better OSU team with the change at QB. I see them having a vey dynamic offense now moving forward.


Plus we have a tough time with running QBs. I am all for an upset though. Anything can happen.
 
I think we need to look at the other games across the country, too.

#25 Pitt (5-1) at 3-3 Syracuse, 11 am ESPNU
Comment: Pitt winning the rest of their games would be great, of course.

Teams ranked ahead and just below Iowa:

#6 Clemson at 4-2 Miami, 11 am ABC
Comment: Come on Miami!

IU at #7 Michigan State, 2:30 pm ABC/ ESPN2
Comment: MSU let down after the huge "gift six" win at the Big House?

Tennessee at #8 Alabama, 2:30 pm CBS
Comment: Which Tennessee team shows up? Can they give Bama a 2nd loss?

#9 Florida State at Ga Tech, 6pm ESPN2
Comment: Can Ga Tech pull the upset at home?

#15 Texas A&M (5-1) at #24 Ole Miss (5-2), 6 pm ESPN
Comment: Ole Miss giving A&M a second loss would be a good thing.

#3 Utah at USC, 6:30 pm FOX
Comment: Can USC get its act together and pull off the upset at home?


B1G West Games

5-2, 1-2 Northwestern at 3-4, 1-2 Nebraska, 11am ESPN2
Comment: We want N'w to win to help our SOS; agree?

5-2, 2-1 Wisconsin at 4-2, 1-1 Illinois, 2:30 pm BTN
Comment: We want Wisconsin to win to help our SOS, agree?


How is USC favored over Utah?
 
Want Illinois to beat Wisky and N'western to beat Nebraska. Would put Wisconsin and N'western 2 teams we beat with 2 losses with a strangle hold on that tie breaker for the Hawks and all but eliminate Nebraska with 3 losses from the West. Plus Huskers still have game vs Mich St. Illinois would have 1 loss but still has Ohio St and Wisconsin so chalk up at least another loss for them. Minnesota 2 losses already and still has Michigan, OSU, Iowa, Illinois and Wisky. They've gone from pre season west contender to just hoping to qualify for a bowl. Just want the Hawks to win the West and play in Indy.

As for SOS media and everyone else already ripping on it so don't think a 10-2 Wisconsin vs 9-3 Badger team would make a huge difference. If Pitt keeps doing well helps but end of the day all that would matter is how Iowa would fare if it makes the title game vs Ohio St or Mich St to the national pundits. However would love to see the loser of Mich St/OSU game drop another such as Mich St, dare I say to Nebraska who hopefully have 3 conf losses already, or OSU to Michigan. Would give Iowa a better shot at the Rose Bowl.
This is the correct answer. Gotta make it to the B1G championship before thinking playoff. Wisconsin having 2 losses greatly increases that chance.
 
This is the correct answer. Gotta make it to the B1G championship before thinking playoff. Wisconsin having 2 losses greatly increases that chance.

No, that is not the correct answer. Winning out greatly increases their chances. That's all they can control. Hoping other teams lose doesn't increase anything.
 
I guess I'm also subscribing to the thought that it'll be super hard to win out so I'm assuming they'll stub their toe. Hope to be all sorts of wrong though.
 
How about Nebraska beats Northwestern and eliminates them....then Michigan State beats Nebraska and eliminates them....and then Northwestern beats Wisconsin and eliminates them!!.....or at least gives us a much nicer cushion/margin for error.

I'll take that hypothetical scenario over anything else you people are bickering about.
 
Yep. The best analysis is often short and simple. No over-thinking.

A lot of people are analyzing how Iowa could still get to Indy by going 3-2 in the relatvely easy last 5 games? I'm ok with not going, if we had to back into it like that.
This. If Iowa goes 3-2 the rest of the way they do not deserve to go to Indy. This would turn to a 3 possibly 4 loss season after CCG/Bowl. Iowa SHOULD go 5-0 and anything worse than that is disappointing and we do not deserve to be in the Top15 IMO
 
This. If Iowa goes 3-2 the rest of the way they do not deserve to go to Indy. This would turn to a 3 possibly 4 loss season after CCG/Bowl. Iowa SHOULD go 5-0 and anything worse than that is disappointing and we do not deserve to be in the Top15 IMO

Agree with this. 3-2 the rest of the way is a downward trend and doesn't deserve to be in the BIG championship game.

How about Iowa just win the rest of their games and not have to worry about who to root for? The Nebraska game should be meaningless (in regards to who wins the west) when it is played, because we should have locked up the BIG West by that point.

Personally, I want MSU to win out. I believe we match up better against MSU than we do OSU. An undefeated MSU and Iowa for the BIG Championship? It would be a great game. With the exception of the inaugural BIG Championship game, it has mostly been lack luster.
 
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If Iowa wins the rest of their games it doesn't really matter what the other teams do
You meant "when" iowa wins. This team will not go down this year. Don't like it, too bad.
(Disclaimer: as hawk fans we do not talk about history unless it benefits our narrative.)
 
Agree with this. 3-2 the rest of the way is a downward trend and doesn't deserve to be in the BIG championship game.

How about Iowa just win the rest of their games and not have to worry about who to root for? The Nebraska game should be meaningless (in regards to who wins the west) when it is played, because we should have locked up the BIG West by that point.

Personally, I want MSU to win out. I believe we match up better against MSU than we do OSU. An undefeated MSU and Iowa for the BIG Championship? It would be a great game. With the exception of the inaugural BIG Championship game, it has mostly been lack luster.
Agreed that MSU is by far a better matchup in Indy but I do not see them beating OSU. They are still the 3rd best team in the east in my eyes
 
You meant "when" iowa wins. This team will not go down this year. Don't like it, too bad.
(Disclaimer: as hawk fans we do not talk about history unless it benefits our narrative.)
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Hawkeye fans' bye-week viewers' guide: Who to cheer for
Chad Leistikow, cleistik@dmreg.com1:23 p.m. CDT October 23, 2015
http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...ois-wisconsin-nebraska-northwestern/74465720/

As the 7-0 Iowa football team enjoys its lone bye of the regular season, it can kick back this weekend and know that it’ll be 7-0 on Monday, too, in advance of the Oct. 31 home game against Maryland.

So what to do while the Hawkeyes heal up? Watch college football, of course, with plenty of vested interest in 12th-ranked Iowa’s Big Ten West Division title hopes.

As Boone Myers (stinger) and LeShun Daniels Jr. (ankle) get closer to full strength – and hopefully quarterback C.J. Beathard, who played at “50 percent” against Northwestern, isn’t doing anything to slow the healing process of his bothersome groin injury – here are three games Hawkeye fans should keep tabs on Saturday:




NORTHWESTERN (5-2, 1-2) at NEBRASKA (3-4, 1-2)

TV: 11 a.m. CT, ESPN2

The line: Nebraska by 7

Iowa fans should root for: Northwestern

Here’s why: A hard-luck Year 1 for new coach Mike Riley at Nebraska seemed to take a positive turn with last week’s 48-25 pasting at Minnesota. The worst thing for the Hawkeyes would be to face a surging, explosive Nebraska team – coming off its bye week and 13 days between games – in the Black Friday regular-season finale in Lincoln. Also, seeing the Wildcats return to the form that helped them beat Stanford and Duke would make last week’s Iowa 40-10 domination in Evanston, Ill., more impressive.

WISCONSIN (5-2, 2-1) at ILLINOIS (4-2, 1-1)
TV: 2:30 p.m. CT, Big Ten Network

The line: Wisconsin by 6

Iowa fans should root for: Illinois

Here’s why: These are the only one-loss teams behind zero-loss Iowa in the Big Ten West. And, of course, the Hawkeyes beat both – a key head-to-head advantage if tiebreakers come into play. The Badgers' schedule is so manageable the rest of the way that they are the primary threat to overtaking Iowa as division champs. A second Wisconsin loss of any kind in conference play – this one and the finale vs. Minnesota (4-3, 1-2) are its toughest remaining games – would probably allow the Hawkeyes to win the West even with a 3-2 finish. Illinois (at Penn State next week, home vs. Ohio State on Nov. 14) will almost certainly lose again anyway. Unfortunately for the Illini, top running back Josh Ferguson remains out with a right shoulder injury.

PENN STATE (5-2, 2-1) vs. MARYLAND (2-4, 0-2) in Baltimore, Md.
TV: 2:30 p.m. CT, ESPN

The line: Penn State by 6.5

Iowa fans should root for: Penn State

Here’s why: Maryland interim coach Mike Locksley has said he wants to create a fun team atmosphere and “lighten the mood” – which hit rock bottom with the in-season firing of coach Randy Edsall. This will be Locksley’s first game at the helm (at M&T Bank Stadium, home of the Baltimore Ravens) against a beatable Penn State team that has struggled to block people. Even though a Terrapins’ win would help Iowa’s strength of schedule, an energized Maryland team coming into Kinnick Stadium off a fun win would be a little more dangerous. Iowa needs victories, and keeping the Terps in disarray is probably best. The Hawkeyes won't take Maryland lightly after losing in College Park last year.

ALSO ON THE RADAR
The Iowa-at-Indiana matchup is two weeks away, but it's probably worth an occasional remote-control flip to the Hoosiers' 2:30 game at Michigan State (ABC regional, ESPN2 outer-market). Indiana (4-3, 0-3) has a dangerous offense, especially if running back Jordan Howard is able to return and if quarterback Nate Sudfeld remains healthy. The Spartans (7-0, 3-0) are a 16.5-point favorite.
 
I'm in Austin, we are getting the hurricane out of mexico, UT is gonna try and play K-state in this mess. ought to be fun.
 
Hawkeye fans' bye-week viewers' guide: Who to cheer for
Chad Leistikow, cleistik@dmreg.com1:23 p.m. CDT October 23, 2015
http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...ois-wisconsin-nebraska-northwestern/74465720/

As the 7-0 Iowa football team enjoys its lone bye of the regular season, it can kick back this weekend and know that it’ll be 7-0 on Monday, too, in advance of the Oct. 31 home game against Maryland.

So what to do while the Hawkeyes heal up? Watch college football, of course, with plenty of vested interest in 12th-ranked Iowa’s Big Ten West Division title hopes.

As Boone Myers (stinger) and LeShun Daniels Jr. (ankle) get closer to full strength – and hopefully quarterback C.J. Beathard, who played at “50 percent” against Northwestern, isn’t doing anything to slow the healing process of his bothersome groin injury – here are three games Hawkeye fans should keep tabs on Saturday:




NORTHWESTERN (5-2, 1-2) at NEBRASKA (3-4, 1-2)

TV: 11 a.m. CT, ESPN2

The line: Nebraska by 7

Iowa fans should root for: Northwestern

Here’s why: A hard-luck Year 1 for new coach Mike Riley at Nebraska seemed to take a positive turn with last week’s 48-25 pasting at Minnesota. The worst thing for the Hawkeyes would be to face a surging, explosive Nebraska team – coming off its bye week and 13 days between games – in the Black Friday regular-season finale in Lincoln. Also, seeing the Wildcats return to the form that helped them beat Stanford and Duke would make last week’s Iowa 40-10 domination in Evanston, Ill., more impressive.

WISCONSIN (5-2, 2-1) at ILLINOIS (4-2, 1-1)
TV: 2:30 p.m. CT, Big Ten Network

The line: Wisconsin by 6

Iowa fans should root for: Illinois

Here’s why: These are the only one-loss teams behind zero-loss Iowa in the Big Ten West. And, of course, the Hawkeyes beat both – a key head-to-head advantage if tiebreakers come into play. The Badgers' schedule is so manageable the rest of the way that they are the primary threat to overtaking Iowa as division champs. A second Wisconsin loss of any kind in conference play – this one and the finale vs. Minnesota (4-3, 1-2) are its toughest remaining games – would probably allow the Hawkeyes to win the West even with a 3-2 finish. Illinois (at Penn State next week, home vs. Ohio State on Nov. 14) will almost certainly lose again anyway. Unfortunately for the Illini, top running back Josh Ferguson remains out with a right shoulder injury.

PENN STATE (5-2, 2-1) vs. MARYLAND (2-4, 0-2) in Baltimore, Md.
TV: 2:30 p.m. CT, ESPN

The line: Penn State by 6.5

Iowa fans should root for: Penn State

Here’s why: Maryland interim coach Mike Locksley has said he wants to create a fun team atmosphere and “lighten the mood” – which hit rock bottom with the in-season firing of coach Randy Edsall. This will be Locksley’s first game at the helm (at M&T Bank Stadium, home of the Baltimore Ravens) against a beatable Penn State team that has struggled to block people. Even though a Terrapins’ win would help Iowa’s strength of schedule, an energized Maryland team coming into Kinnick Stadium off a fun win would be a little more dangerous. Iowa needs victories, and keeping the Terps in disarray is probably best. The Hawkeyes won't take Maryland lightly after losing in College Park last year.

ALSO ON THE RADAR
The Iowa-at-Indiana matchup is two weeks away, but it's probably worth an occasional remote-control flip to the Hoosiers' 2:30 game at Michigan State (ABC regional, ESPN2 outer-market). Indiana (4-3, 0-3) has a dangerous offense, especially if running back Jordan Howard is able to return and if quarterback Nate Sudfeld remains healthy. The Spartans (7-0, 3-0) are a 16.5-point favorite.
This guy gets it. He says, "I see your SOS.....to hell with it. I want to win."
 
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