Officials were bad (they did not discriminate); There was NO REVIEW on AJ's Strip Sack

[Franisdaman]

Did the officials cost us the game? No. But they were bad.

From HawkCentral.com:

The officiating in the first half left quite a bit to be desired.

Their ball-spotting was all over the place. It remains one of my biggest pet peeves in college football.

They embarrassingly messed up the on-field call of punt returner Kyle Groeneweg being down before fumbling, when he clearly was not. (The crew had to go to replay to correct it.)

But they also might’ve missed a big Wisconsin fumble late in the second quarter. Turns out, Iowa’s coaches did, too.

When A.J. Epenesa arrived at Badgers quarterback Alex Hornibrook as he attempted to throw on third-and-8, the ball squirted forward and an Iowa player recovered. Incomplete pass, officials ruled.



On replay, it sure looked like Hornibrook lost control of the football well before his arm moved forward. It should have been a fumble, and Iowa ball deep in Badgers territory in a 7-all game.

The replay official didn’t buzz in. That’s a problem.

But Iowa coaches upstairs need to be all over this stuff. They need to have eyes on every replay, immediately, and be ready to relay to Kirk Ferentz that a call needs to be challenged, especially when it could have game-changing proportions as this one did. The possibility of losing a first-half timeout would have been well worth any risk.

LINK: https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...nley-kirk-ferentz-kinnick-stadium/1393594002/

 

[ExiledHawk]

in real time it sure looked like a forward pass, but thats clearly a fumble. Really too bad we swallowed the challenge flag

 

[BlackNGoldWings]

Let us not become Nebraska fans.

 

[hwks4ever]

Can you challenge a call in college football? I ask only because I dont think I've ever seen Iowa's coach do it....

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

I'm surprised they didn't review that play and a really favorable spot they gave Wisconsin on one of their early drives.

The funniest call of the night, though, was the Groening (sp?) fumble initially called down by contact.

Regardless, I blame special teams before I would blame the refs.

 

[MuskieCy]

Using Chris Hassel as an unbiased opinion is the same as using Sean Hannity.

Absolutely, first half ball placement was totally one-sided and, eventually, led to the outcome.

Whatever.

 

[justinjdry]

Can you challenge a call in college football? I ask only because I dont think I've ever seen Iowa's coach do it....

He doesn't like to hurt feelings.

 

[Franisdaman]

Can you challenge a call in college football? I ask only because I dont think I've ever seen Iowa's coach do it....

not sure how challenges work; KF typically would lose his mind & call a time out if the official in the press box does not buzz the Referee to stop play and look at the play

BUT the Iowa coaches in the press box need to tell KF that it looked like a fumble so that KF can call time out and allow the official in the press box to look at the play

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Spots SUCKED! and at crucial times! I like how they will review a call that went in our favor. But ones that go in wiscys favor.....meh, play on!

 

[H4wkfan4life]

not sure how challenges work; KF typically would lose his mind & call a time out if the official in the press box does not buzz the Referee to stop play and look at the play

BUT the Iowa coaches in the press box need to tell KF that it looked like a fumble so that KF can call time out and allow the official in the press box to look at the play

yeah, you'd think it would be similar to what they do in mlb (although you can't just step out of the batters box to stall)!

 

[Franisdaman]

yeah, you'd think it would be similar to what they do in mlb (although you can't just step out of the batters box to stall)!

Wisky punted and then Iowa ran the 1st half clock out because of field position, correct?

Who knows; they may have instead been aggressive and gotten 3 points out of it before half time.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Wisky punted and then Iowa ran the 1st half clock out because of field position, correct?

Who knows; they may have instead been aggressive and gotten 3 points out of it before half time.

that was really the only thing that annoyed me.

Why not put in young and see what he can do.

That said, very small odds we score there.

We started off 2nd half with ball in a "2 quarter game". because of that I was only "annoyed" with the decision.

 

[Franisdaman]

that was really the only thing that annoyed me.

Why not put in young and see what he can do.

That said, very small odds we score there.

We started off 2nd half with ball in a "2 quarter game". because of that I was only "annoyed" with the decision.

damn special teams. Ughhhhhh

i think the players, coaches, and fans all need this bye week

 

[HawkLogic]

not sure how challenges work; KF typically would lose his mind & call a time out if the official in the press box does not buzz the Referee to stop play and look at the play

BUT the Iowa coaches in the press box need to tell KF that it looked like a fumble so that KF can call time out and allow the official in the press box to look at the play

How often does KF use all his timeouts in a a half---maybe 1% of time. . He could have called time out and given chance for review. The missed fumble by refs on punt return got fixed and had zero impact. The missed fumble by Wisconsin QB was a game changer that didn't get called. You wonder why Eppy was on bench so much.

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

in real time it sure looked like a forward pass, but thats clearly a fumble. Really too bad we swallowed the challenge flag

With my gold glasses, I saw that was a fumble ummedimmedi

 

[hawkifann]

The funniest call of the night, though, was the Groening (sp?) fumble initially called down by contact.
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Regardless, I blame special teams before I would blame the refs.

That was atrocious. Not only was he not down, he wasn't within 3 steps of being down.

 

[3boysmom]

There was a spot on the go ahead drive for Wisconsin that should have been reviewed as well. The spots were awful

 

[hawkifann]

Wisky punted and then Iowa ran the 1st half clock out because of field position, correct?

Who knows; they may have instead been aggressive and gotten 3 points out of it before half time.

I didn't have a big problem with that. They fair caught on the 3 IIRC. First play was for 15 yards and they caught another pass. They didn't go crazy aggressive, but they gave it a push before pulling the plug

 

[Franisdaman]

How often does KF use all his timeouts in a a half---maybe 1% of time. . He could have called time out and given chance for review. The missed fumble by refs on punt return got fixed and had zero impact. The missed fumble by Wisconsin QB was a game changer that didn't get called. You wonder why Eppy was on bench so much.

yeah, it was late in the 1st half; he can't carry the TO's over

good point. but he needs the coaches in the press box to tell him to call time out; that's what they are up there for....right?

 

[hawkifann]

There was a spot on the go ahead drive for Wisconsin that should have been reviewed as well. The spots were awful

Agreed. There was a 3rd down where they'd have been short by a foot. They probably get it on the next play because there was so little space to go, but you make them run the play.

 

[justinjdry]

I didn't have a big problem with that. They fair caught on the 3 IIRC. First play was for 15 yards and they caught another pass. They didn't go crazy aggressive, but they gave it a push before pulling the plug

No they didn't actually. The cameras were on Stanley looking fired up for the next play and then they just said whatever, let's go into halftime. Bad clock management. That same thing cost us a win over OSU a few years ago when genius KF couldn't manage the clock and allowed OSU to get into overtime with us. Resulting in a loss of course.

 

[hawkifann]

No they didn't actually. The cameras were on Stanley looking fired up for the next play and then they just said whatever, let's go into halftime. Bad clock management. That same thing cost us a win over OSU a few years ago when genius KF couldn't manage the clock and allowed OSU to get into overtime with us. Resulting in a loss of course.

There were several things that cost Iowa this game, but the possession into the half wasn't one of them.

 

[TJ8869]

Am I the only person who thinks the ball had stopped moving and was dead prior to Beyer kicking it? Or at least close enough that it should have been reviewed?

 

[justinjdry]

There were several things that cost Iowa this game, but the possession into the half wasn't one of them.

I don't disagree with you. But it was certainly a missed opportunity for Iowa to put points on the board before halftime. But there's lots of blame to go around tonight.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

Let us not become Nebraska fans.

There isn't a fanbase in America that doesn't complain about officiating in some respect following a close loss.

 

[hwk23]

Am I the only person who thinks the ball had stopped moving and was dead prior to Beyer kicking it? Or at least close enough that it should have been reviewed?

It was definitely close enough to be reviewed. I also thought the rule was if a player is blocked into the ball it is not considered touched and not a fumble.

 

[hawkifann]

Am I the only person who thinks the ball had stopped moving and was dead prior to Beyer kicking it? Or at least close enough that it should have been reviewed?

You'll never get this call. His teammates have to be yelling and he has to be listening.

 

[TJ8869]

It was definitely close enough to be reviewed. I also thought the rule was if a player is blocked into the ball it is not considered touched and not a fumble.

I would have to look at it again but I don't think he was blocked into the ball.

 

[hawkifann]

It was definitely close enough to be reviewed. I also thought the rule was if a player is blocked into the ball it is not considered touched and not a fumble.

He wasn't blocked in. He was blocking and disengaged belt moving into the path of the ball.

 

[Franisdaman]

He wasn't blocked in. He was blocking and disengaged belt moving into the path of the ball.

what the hell was Beyer doing/thinking is what I want to know

this is basic punt returning stuff; your returner let the ball drop & roll; GET AWAY FROM THE BALL

Unbelievable. That one bone headed play gave Wisky an easy 7 points.

 

[hwk23]

what the hell was Beyer doing/thinking is what I want to know

this is basic punt returning stuff; your returner let the ball drop & roll; GET AWAY FROM THE BALL

Unbelievable. That one bone headed play gave Wisky an easy 7 points.

It definitely lost us the game, not that we didn’t have a ton of other chances as well. Heck, If Groeneweg hadn’t had the fumble, he may have ran up and got the ball himself. He was gun shy after the fumble. Also, his fumble never should have happened because the refs completely blew the Hornibrook fumble on the previous play,

 

[hawkifann]

what the hell was Beyer doing/thinking is what I want to know

this is basic punt returning stuff; your returner let the ball drop & roll; GET AWAY FROM THE BALL

Unbelievable. That one bone headed play gave Wisky an easy 7 points.

That's why I want to know what teammates were yelling.

 

[RegentBadger]

The penalties ended up being; UW 8-68 yards, Iowa 1-5. Pretty hard to argue the refs were in UW's favor.

 

[M3 ME PLEASE]

The penalties ended up being; UW 8-68 yards, Iowa 1-5. Pretty hard to argue the refs were in UW's favor.

For once they actually started calling Wisconsin’s holds they get away with every other play, biggest crime in college football.

 

[Franisdaman]

That's why I want to know what teammates were yelling.

hopefully this:

GET AWAY
GET AWAY
GET AWAY

Beyer's back was not to the ball, correct? It appeared he should have seen the ball on the ground and then for some reason he decided to block a Wisconsin guy....question is, why????

 

[hawkifann]

hopefully this:

GET AWAY
GET AWAY
GET AWAY

Beyer's back was not to the ball, correct? It appeared he should have seen the ball on the ground and then for some reason he decided to block a Wisconsin guy....question is, why????

He should have, but the limited amount of time I saw him on replay,he was locked in on guy he was blocking. Were guys yelling?

It's an egregious mistake, just not 100% on who.

 

[Franisdaman]

He should have, but the limited amount of time I saw him on replay,he was locked in on guy he was blocking. Were guys yelling?

It's an egregious mistake, just not 100% on who.

Take a look at this article (link at end). KF knows the Beyer mistake cost Iowa the game.

here is KF's take:


But the big blunder was Shaun Beyer, also on a punt return, inadvertently backing into a rolling punt with Iowa ahead 10-7 in the third quarter. Wisconsin recovered at Iowa’s 10-yard line and scored seven gift-wrapped points three plays later.

What are Iowa's guys supposed to do in that situation?

“Get the hell away," head coach Kirk Ferentz said bluntly. "There’s communication involved there. It seemed like everyone was getting the message. For whatever reason, it didn’t get quite get communicated. When you’re in that area, it’s dangerous.”

LINK:

https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...nley-kirk-ferentz-kinnick-stadium/1393594002/

 

[Franisdaman]

The penalties ended up being; UW 8-68 yards, Iowa 1-5. Pretty hard to argue the refs were in UW's favor.

agreed. but you have to admit that the one fumble was obvious (he was not down); lucky for Wisky fans, they got that one right

the spots were not good, imo, but not much you can do, and Ferentz even said so when asked about it (you have to see when the knee touches & where the ball is when that happens; not many officials are good at this)

But make no mistake. The 2 Iowa turnovers on special teams and only geting 3 points off TWO drives deep into Wisky territory are what cost Iowa the game.

Wisky won fair and square.

Offense, defense and special teams. Iowa was REALLY bad at special teams tonight.

 

[Franisdaman]

Why was no penalty called on this play? Wisky's hand was obviously on Welch's face mask, but nothing was called.

 

[iahawks10]

Can you challenge a call in college football? I ask only because I dont think I've ever seen Iowa's coach do it....

The rule used to be:

Call a TO and inform the ref you’d like a coach’s challenge. If you win the challenge, you keep your TO and challenge. If you lose the challenge, you lose your challenge for the rest of the game and that TO.

I don’t believe those challenge rules have changed. I can’t remember a time that KF ever attempted a coach’s challenge either. Got to save those TO’s.