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With Texas and Oklahoma leaving for greener pastures, it will relegate Iowa State to MAC level which leaves just the one major school in the state-- Iowa Hawkeyes. Looking around: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Missouri, and even Illinois to a point-- they all have just the one major athletic school in their state. If you are a recruit in that state and you want to stay "home" and get an offer from the main school you are likely taking that over offers from directional schools nearby (UNI, MN Duluth, WI -Lacrosse, Creighton, and soon to be Iowa State). In addition, people will flock to the major school for their fandom and leave the mid-majors (and lower) behind.
I look for Iowa State to be on par with the likes of Northern Illinois and a step ahead of Northern Iowa in the not so distant future.
 
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SSG T said:
ISU will not end up in the MAC. It may not be a P5, but it will be better than the MAC.
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I am saying MAC level-- MAC, MWC, or AAC. Remove Oklahoma and Texas from Big 12 and that is what they are even if they steel a school or so from a lesser conference. A step ahead of Sun Belt and Conf-USA and two ahead of Div 1-AA.
 
CUSA and AAC >>>>>>MAC

Just because a conference isn't P5 doesn't mean they're all equal. Heck, minus UT and OU, ISU might be stepping up in quality to AAC from B12.
 
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SSG T said:
CUSA and AAC >>>>>>MAC

Heck, minus UT and OU, ISU might be stepping up in quality to AAC from B12.
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That is my point-- without those two the Big 12 is nothing more than the AAC, MWC, or MAC. But none of those schools in the conference barely move the needle when it comes to fandom.

EXAMPLE: If you're an elite player from Tennessee and have an offer from Memphis and Tennessee who are they going to choose 9 times out of 10? Tennessee for if anything else because they will choose playing the SEC over AAC.
 
hawkeyez said:
Will the Big 10 make a push for 16 teams?

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Notre Dame could make sense.
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Oh Hell No

That only one of those that makes sense is ND. The rest make no sense. Go West. I mean, a couple of ACC schools make sense but are stuck. So go west. Pretty much any P12 school on the coast, other than Wazzou and OSU make complete sense.
 
UNIowaHawk said:
That is my point-- without those two the Big 12 is nothing more than the AAC, MWC, or MAC. Bot those schools in those conference barely move the needle when it comes to fandom. If you're an elite player from Tennessee and have an offer from Memphis and Tennessee who are they going to choose 9 times out of 10? Tennessee for if anything else because they will choose playing the SEC over AAC.
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The AAC isn't a bad conference. It's kind of like the old A10/MVC in basketball, kind of a step down from major, but not a mid major. And without OU/UT, the B12 isn't any better.

The MAC, other than one team every once in a while, isn't good. It's the football equivalent of the MEAC.
 
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Iowa State will be playing: UNLV, Colorado State, Kansas State, SMU, Houston, Hawaii, Boise St, Nevada, Fresno St, San Jose St, Memphis, Tulane
 
Rustys Dad said:
Iowa State will not become a MAC school. It will be just fine and it will be in a P5 conference.
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There likely won't be a P5 in the not too distant future. Even adding, say, Houston and Louisville probably isn't enough to keep the remnants of the B12 on the same level as P12, B1G, SEC and ACC.
 
MitchLL said:
Can you imagine having to stay awake until 1:00AM to see the end of a west coast game? And in typical Clone fashion, watching them lose on a muffed punt?
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I’ll just leave this here for some cheap likes….🤣

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Better chance for Nebraska to bolt back to the big 12 than for ISU to go to the MAC. Might be the perfect opportunity for Nebraska to be big dog again. Lure Colorado back and add University of Central Florida and the Big 12 will be just fine. Meanwhile the SEC will only have a couple teams eligible each year for the national championship and will knock each other out of contention. Stupid on Texas part and even dumber on Oklahoma part.
 
Tfxchawk said:
Better chance for Nebraska to bolt back to the big 12 than for ISU to go to the MAC. Might be the perfect opportunity for Nebraska to be big dog again. Lure Colorado back and add University of Central Florida and the Big 12 will be just fine. Meanwhile the SEC will only have a couple teams eligible each year for the national championship and will knock each other out of contention. Stupid on Texas part and even dumber on Oklahoma part.
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It would be just like Nebraska to throw away $30 million dollars just for the hope of a few more winning seasons. Colorado might not be happy in the Pac 12, and if the Big 12 can work ESPN for enough of a TV contract (won't happen), they might go back to the Pillow Fight.
 
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Tfxchawk said:
Why wouldn't they survive? Because ESPN thinks they won't? They will survive.
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Because there aren't enough TV sets and revenue with the remaining members. They don't have a Brand name football member left.. Not one.. ESPN and Fox will have little interest in them. Any interest will come with a huge reduction in fees.. ESPN Is going all in on the SEC with a splash of ACC. Fox will go all in with the Big 10 in the next negotiations.
 
hawkeyez said:
Will the Big 10 make a push for 16 teams?

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Notre Dame could make sense.
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Iowa State and Kansas State are economic black holes that will cost Big Ten schools money.

If the Big Ten expands it will be poaching Pac-12 schools or ACC schools, not the worthless leftovers of the Big 12 that nobody wants.
 
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Tiny Hands Trump said:
Iowa State and Kansas State are economic black holes that will cost Big Ten schools money.

If the Big Ten expands it will be poaching Pac-12 schools or ACC schools, not the worthless leftovers of the Big 12 that nobody wants.
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…. Then I’m reminded we have Warren as the B1G Commissioner
 
Tiny Hands Trump said:
Iowa State and Kansas State are economic black holes that will cost Big Ten schools money.

If the Big Ten expands it will be poaching Pac-12 schools or ACC schools, not the worthless leftovers of the Big 12 that nobody wants.
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Pretty much, yeah. The Big Ten doesn't need to add school for the sake of adding schools. The only reason to do it is to increase the payout for existing members. Adding Big 12 dregs does not do that.
Too bad for Iowa State that they waited until now to not be terrible. Just when they start sniffing a little success, they're about to have the rug pull out from under them.
 
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Won’t be MAC level. It’ll be something equivalent to AAC. Not P5 but not the basement like MAC or Sun Belt.
 
BubsFinn said:
It would be just like Nebraska to throw away $30 million dollars just for the hope of a few more winning seasons. Colorado might not be happy in the Pac 12, and if the Big 12 can work ESPN for enough of a TV contract (won't happen), they might go back to the Pillow Fight.
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That's the thing though in this fairly new world. ESPN isn't as important and their move is one of desperation. Under the new world of streaming how much will these schools really need ESPN? Access to cable is dead and that was the model that guaranteed cash for eyeballs. That model is a buggy and whip factory now. It is on its way out and will not return and with it will go the need for a company like ESPN. These conferences will soon figure out they don't need to cut in an ESPN nearly as much. There is enough money they can go their own way and the the big ten network could simply stream their own games.
 
Rustys Dad said:
Iowa State will not become a MAC school. It will be just fine and it will be in a P5 conference.
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Nope. Fortunately for the Iowa Hawkeye fans, ISU and Okie State will likely be the two best programs left out of the P5. Maybe West Virginia as well. I think Baylor, TCU and possibly Texas Tech will get picked up by some P5.

Iowa State’s best hope now is that there’s some sort of giant amalgamation of the AAC, Mountain West, BYU, maybe some up and coming Magat school like Liberty and the remnants of the Big 12 combine to form a new conference that’s in between the P4 and the G5.

Until the Big Ten, ACC, PAC and SEC make their final consolidation moves, I could see this PeeFourandaHalf Conference looking pretty good to tv viewers:

BYU
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
Boise State
Texas Christian
Liberty
Baylor
Houston
USF
UCF
Cincinatti
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
East Carolina
Coastal Carolina
Louisiana
San Diego State
San Jose State

That 20 team semi-“mega” conference could do well for a short time as they would have 4 teams in the current ESPN preseason Top 25. That’s the same as the ACC and PAC and only one less than the Big Ten.

Of course I would assume once the ACC, PAC, SEC and Big Ten finish their consolidation moves several of those would be off the board primarily the Texas schools, Cincinatti, Memphis, maybe Louisiana, BYU and at least one of the Florida schools (people currently like UCF for its pretend Natty but USF has the much better coach and likely a better chance for long term success).
 
Kansas is going somewhere....You just do not ignore the nation’s premier basketball program if you have a chance to add it. The B10 would love to add KC to its footprint. The Kansas Legislature might be to biggest obstacle to this move as they will take action to protect K-State athletically.
The other alternative ( not likely) would be to put KU basketball in the Big East with Creighton, MRquette, et al...but then what about FB? But....KU will be invited somewhere substantial....because of its BB program.
 
hawkeyez said:
Will the Big 10 make a push for 16 teams?

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Notre Dame could make sense.
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Notre Dame isn't joining the Big Ten.

Of the remaining Big XII schools I think only Kansas has a chance. Basketball royalty, AAU school, and in a good market location. 0% for the rest.
 
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