One of those MOSS game

[hawkquiz]

Heck of a game in Maui today between Kansas and Dayton. Kansas pulling away in Overtime for the win.
Moss had a stats stuffing game today....36 minutes, ZERO points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist. He does look like he's putting out more of an effort on the defensive end

 

[BBHawk]

I hope he is successful. No need to be spiteful.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Exactly. He had his reasons for leaving. Fran failed to keep him. That's on him.

Now, if you want to rip on KU, I'm all for it!!! Especially their pending NOA. And soon to follow probation. That I'm all good with! Fn cheaters

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

I hope he is successful. No need to be spiteful.

I read MUCH more spiteful posts on Hawkeye players on both the football and basketball boards. He just pretty much told it like it is. Moss is Moss. Not a bad player and can really light it up on occasion. So far this year for KU he lit it up in the 50+ point win over Monmouth and a pretty good game in their 30+point win. In the rest of the games that were all pretty competitive he really didn’t show up.

 

[BBHawk]

Exactly. He had his reasons for leaving. Fran failed to keep him. That's on him.

Now, if you want to rip on KU, I'm all for it!!! Especially their pending NOA. And soon to follow probation. That I'm all good with! Fn cheaters

You are making an assumption that is false. Moss knew what his chances were at Iowa with CJ playing and he saw the handwriting on the wall. That is indisputable. I wish him well but he would not have been a starter this year at Iowa with the way CJ has played. No way. And that's not on McC.

And for the record, I am happy in retrospect that he transferred. I think it is better for both him and Iowa.

 

[HawkLogic]

Moss looks like he is better 3pt shooter than Evelyn Bakari. If Moss has stepped up his defense, then he's a solid player.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Is 4 rebounds a career high for him?

 

[HawkSTL]

Moss’s job is to stand in the corner and space the floor. And he did it spectacularly for Kansas today. On a team like KU he’s a role player. All five guys can’t be ball dominant.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Moss looks like he is better 3pt shooter than Evelyn Bakari. If Moss has stepped up his defense, then he's a solid player.

The real question is whether he is a better 3 point shooter than Frederick. Not sure at this point.

 

[Kurt Warner]

Moss>bakari..easy

 

[Legend12]

I read MUCH more spiteful posts on Hawkeye players on both the football and basketball boards. He just pretty much told it like it is. Moss is Moss. Not a bad player and can really light it up on occasion. So far this year for KU he lit it up in the 50+ point win over Monmouth and a pretty good game in their 30+point win. In the rest of the games that were all pretty competitive he really didn’t show up.

Did you watch all those games?

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

Did you watch all those games?

All but one. Did you?

 

[BBHawk]

Moss>bakari..easy

Not the comparison that matters here.

 

[RocknRollface]

Moss looks like he is better 3pt shooter than Evelyn Bakari. If Moss has stepped up his defense, then he's a solid player.

Way better shooter but hes such a terrible ball handler that I'm not sure you can say who's "better".

 

[RocknRollface]

Moss’s job is to stand in the corner and space the floor. And he did it spectacularly for Kansas today. On a team like KU he’s a role player. All five guys can’t be ball dominant.

He was a role player at best at Iowa.

 

[Hawksfor3]

He almost hit a game winner.

 

[RocknRollface]

The real question is whether he is a better 3 point shooter than Frederick. Not sure at this point.

CJ is better than Moss all around but Moss still would have gotten plenty of time this year.

 

[Mohawkeye]

CJ is better than Moss all around but Moss still would have gotten plenty of time this year.

Probably. But would that have mattered?

 

[Hawkfan_08]

CJ is better than Moss all around but Moss still would have gotten plenty of time this year.

Or would have started and gone to the bench getting about 14 min of pt.

I don't see the need to pile on Moss. He has the ability to be an outstanding player but that light doesn't go off all the time.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Or would have started and gone to the bench getting about 14 min of pt.

I don't see the need to pile on Moss. He has the ability to be an outstanding player but that light doesn't go off all the time.

I agree. Some games he's on and some not. He took the last shot in regulation in today's game and hit the rim (from near half court). "The iron was unkind". Didn't matter though Jayhawks still won.

 

[Legend12]

All but one. Did you?

Yep...and he has played pretty well all season. He know his role on offense and plays within in and has been very good on defensive awareness and rotations.

To claim "he hasn't showed up" just because you can't look at the game beyond the box score is an indictment on you, not Moss.

 

[Legend12]

You are making an assumption that is false. Moss knew what his chances were at Iowa with CJ playing and he saw the handwriting on the wall. That is indisputable. I wish him well but he would not have been a starter this year at Iowa with the way CJ has played. No way. And that's not on McC.

And for the record, I am happy in retrospect that he transferred. I think it is better for both him and Iowa.

Your assumption is false in claiming that Moss wouldn't have been a starter. One of Fran's selling points to him when they wanted him to stay was the value an experienced, senior starter could bring to the team this season.

 

[Ronman]

I don't remember Moss bad mouthing McCaffery when he left or visa versa. It is what it is. He saw a chance to play for a team with at least an outside chance of winning a National Championship and took it. He had zero chance of that happening here.

 

[Legend12]

I don't remember Moss bad mouthing McCaffery when he left or visa versa. It is what it is. He saw a chance to play for a team with at least an outside chance of winning a National Championship and took it. He had zero chance of that happening here.

You think Moss left Iowa for a school that didn't make the NCAA Tourney last year and wasn't forecasted to make it this year so he could win a national title?

lol

 

[BBHawk]

Your assumption is false in claiming that Moss wouldn't have been a starter. One of Fran's selling points to him when they wanted him to stay was the value an experienced, senior starter could bring to the team this season.

He was promised a chance at that, but he would have to fight to maintain that status. As it was, he rarely finished games. He saw the writing on the wall.

 

[HawkAlum2002]

I don't remember Moss bad mouthing McCaffery when he left or visa versa. It is what it is. He saw a chance to play for a team with at least an outside chance of winning a National Championship and took it. He had zero chance of that happening here.

Moss committed to Arkansas first though, not Kansas, so he didn't leave Iowa under any pretense of winning a national title somewhere. Lucky for him, Kansas was also interested in his talents and maybe he will get to final four.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Isaiah did everything we asked. Graduated on time and qualified for a graduate school. Played three full seasons and was never an academic issue once he got eligible.

All the guys that came in with Isaiah are gone. Think Isaiah's move was primarily an issue of just wanting to try something different.

KU has the same Isaiah that Iowa had. He's inconsistent. Outstanding game followed by invisibility. I don't think CJF is going to have that problem.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Think Isaiah's move was primarily an issue of just wanting to try something different.

Fran, to me anyway, distributes the minutes as much as possible to as many of the players that he can. I've only seen limited action for Moss (not him, but my inability to catch his games more). From this limited sample, I've seen him play in fairly long stretches. So he's getting a good amount of minutes IMO.

 

[HawkAlum2002]

My biggest regret on Moss was that he didn't play in 2015-16. We had Ellingson, Uhl, and Baer off the bench, who all had their moments especially the first half of the year. But the thought of adding him to Jok and Uthoff to go with Woodbury and Gesell would've been an even better offense. Obviously Clemmons would've still started based on his defense and spotted Gesell at point when necessary, but Moss would've shot way better than 31 percent from 3.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

My biggest regret on Moss was that he didn't play in 2015-16. We had Ellingson, Uhl, and Baer off the bench, who all had their moments especially the first half of the year. But the thought of adding him to Jok and Uthoff to go with Woodbury and Gesell would've been an even better offense. Obviously Clemmons would've still started based on his defense and spotted Gesell at point when necessary, but Moss would've shot way better than 31 percent from 3.

The RS was for an academic adjustment. Wasn't ready for college. The fact that he stayed with Iowa when he could have gone somewhere he could have probably have played without academic pressure, then graduated in four years-not the norm anymore-and got into a grad school says a lot of good things about the kid.

 

[RocknRollface]

Probably. But would that have mattered?

In regards to what?

 

[Kurt Warner]

Not the comparison that matters here.

And your point is...

 

[IowaPride95]

Moss's usage today was insane. Played 36 minutes and only touched the ball on 2% of the possessions he was in. My guess is since he had one shot attempt that that was his only touch all game on offense. No other KU player was less than 13%. He literally is being used to drag a defender to the corner and that is it. But he played the third most minutes on the team so Self must like what he is getting from him

 

[Legend12]

Played 36 minutes and only touched the ball on 2% of the possessions he was in.

Where in the world did you get that stat?

My guess is since he had one shot attempt that that was his only touch all game on offense.

That would be an idiotic guess.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

Yep...and he has played pretty well all season. He know his role on offense and plays within in and has been very good on defensive awareness and rotations.

To claim "he hasn't showed up" just because you can't look at the game beyond the box score is an indictment on you, not Moss.

I guess he really showed up that ETSU game. LOL. Look I don’t want to knock him too much but he just looks like the same player at KU that he was at Iowa which like I originally said is “not bad and can really light it up on occasion”. I always said when he was playing at Iowa is part of the problem is he is not the type sg that is best paired with JoBo. Neither one exceptionally skilled at creating for the other.

 

[YouGotThatRight]

His 20 points and 7 rebounds against ISU last December were huge in the Win over the Cyclones.

 

[IowaPride95]

Where in the world did you get that stat?



That would be an idiotic guess.

The stat comes from Ken Pomeroy's individual game box score for the game. A 2% possession usage rate is almost unheard of for a player. This season for Iowa, only a few players have been below 10% for a game and none has been below 7% for a game. To have a 2% AND have 36 minutes played is probably unprecedented. He literally had only two jobs yesterday it seems, play defense and drag a defender to the corner.
And I am sure he touched the ball on offense more than once, but that rate is insanely low.

 

[Mohawkeye]

In regards to what?

With respect to what we get out of the 2 position. So far, and it’s early, I don’t see a difference on offense between Moss and CJ. Defense is probably an upgrade with CJ over Moss.

 

[IowaPride95]

With respect to what we get out of the 2 position. So far, and it’s early, I don’t see a difference on offense between Moss and CJ. Defense is probably an upgrade with CJ over Moss.

This debate is interesting, but I think Iowa would be better off today with a starting lineup of Joe T, Moss, Frederick, Weiskamp and Garza. I do not think Fran's love of playing two big men gets his best players on the floor at times and if Iowa had both Moss and Frederick right now, defending the Hawks with 3 players that could shoot 40% from three and a penetrating guard like Joe at the point and Garza at the post would be a very tough. I know Joe would not work against many of the power forwards in the Big Ten, but I think with the teams Iowa is facing this time of year that lineup would be tremendous

 

[BBHawk]

With respect to what we get out of the 2 position. So far, and it’s early, I don’t see a difference on offense between Moss and CJ. Defense is probably an upgrade with CJ over Moss.

I see CJ as being much more efficient with his shots. He has either taken a 3 or he drives to the bucket for a shorter (NOT just inside the 3 pt line) easier shot. He draws contact when it's there and usually still finishes. And he passes the ball extremely well. Defensively he appears to be already light years ahead of Moss.

In short, he is a lot more than a distraction to opponents.