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On board or not he is going So, you can be gleeful.

This thread works fine. I never said anything about riding the pine. That’s your macho thing. I was saying the knee is not 100% and at his age and injury, there are risks. They seem to be comfortable and i have no say in it so, cool.

Hell, since we don’t know enough behind the curtain (and none of us do), we will never know good call or bad call. So, I am going to trust and enjoy.

For the record, I like his thought of learning through competition and not protecting a possible legacy. Good for him. More should think that way. Without the knee, my “meaningless as yours” opinion would be go for it. Strategically, I would rather him be on next years more developed team to make a run for 4 years. But Ok, I will take these 4 years.

I was on your side, I just thought the longer he was around the better. However, the waiting was horrible and if they think he's literally ready to roll, I'll watch.

That’s where I am. His attitude seems right and good people around him. He is a hawk so he has to earn his spot on the wall and I look forward to seeing him do it. I am just empathetic to knees. A couple pounds of titanium and months of ice will do that. Ha
 
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What else would he say?

This was a reply in a personal conversation (not to me), not the media. He could have said:

1. It's a little sore but working out the kinks
2. OMG I thought the splits were going to do me in
3. If not for that damn knee, I would have beaten that dodgy stoner kid with the blue hair and that goofy brown dog. Oh wait, I've been watching too many Scooby ReRuns.
4. Well I had so much f*** out there, even in a loss, I didn't notice my knee at all.

I see. But I still think under the circumstances, he is going to be very careful with his words to almost anyone. Seems even private conversations end up on message boards.
 
I see. But I still think under the circumstances, he is going to be very careful with his words to almost anyone. Seems even private conversations end up on message boards.

Well its not like it was had in a dimly lit Paris cafe surrounded by Nazi spies on a cold, dusky night. You're right I imagine...and that's why they defaulted him out automatically. To get the real scoop at home, not the emotional I want to get back on the mat and prove it one. He was going pretty hard with one of Dardanes twins on Tuesday so I'm guessing he is ok.
 
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Yes sir, you are right. I'm afraid it wont be less than 126 this year. But who knows 1-2 upsets for a few key guys on a few obvious squads?? Anything is possible.
it only takes an injury to knock the top guy off - and they get zero instead of 26.
 
Spencer is young. I've had more orthopedic surgeries than most and the resilience of a young man is much higher than that of us old dudes. He's had the best or somewhere close to the best surgeons and physical therapist money could buy. Spencer is fine.
 
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Spencer is young. I've had more orthopedic surgeries than most and the resilience of a young man is much higher than that of us old dudes. He's had the best or somewhere close to the best surgeons and physical therapist money could buy. Spencer is fine.

As a brother in knee scars, I agree. But we also know they have a compounding effect. I like what the other guy said, once we see him go, we will know.
 
I see. But I still think under the circumstances, he is going to be very careful with his words to almost anyone. Seems even private conversations end up on message boards.

Well its not like it was had in a dimly lit Paris cafe surrounded by Nazi spies on a cold, dusky night. You're right I imagine...and that's why they defaulted him out automatically. To get the real scoop at home, not the emotional I want to get back on the mat and prove it one. He was going pretty hard with one of Dardanes twins on Tuesday so I'm guessing he is ok.

Did not mean to imply that. Just saying.
 
Use your eyes.
The question was if they would let him go if not 100%. I said yes. They will and are taking the chance. That knee is not 100% and D1 wrestling is hard on the body. He is taking a risk at this point. Injury risk is always there but the further your away from surgery, the better your chances to avoid re injury. But, the normal risk is always there too so you kind of stack the odds a little.

Not rooting against him or anything.
As a guy who wrestled 90% of his career in a brace and 8 or 10 surgeries, I am concerned FOR him. But like I made my choice, he did too. He is way more talented and most likely has superior doctors so that helps. I just don’t want to see a bright career cut short and don’t wish life with a bad knee on anyone. But to be clear and use words, I will be there Friday and look forward to seeing this kid light it up. Maybe just an extra prayer of protection.

You don’t know jack $hit about the condition of his knee. But you are sure using a lot of your words, so bully for you.
 
Did not mean to imply that. Just saying.

I know...it just seems like some folks are setting this up as an "I was right" moment if Lee gets reinjured. Not meant for you 255 as I have read your posts over the years and know you are not a Dbag. But we had a dude start a thread an hour or two after his loss to basically pat himself on the back for being "right." Med has cleared him, the staff have evaluated, and Spencer is in. Now we can debate about it on here or get behind him and hope he wins a title.

Personally, I was for the redshirt for strategic reasons and the knee. After seeing him live going in the room and at UNI/Midlands, I believe its up to him. Still shaky on the strategic reasons. How long do we hold him back tho? A year...through freestyle? Lots of what ifs.
 
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Use your eyes.
The question was if they would let him go if not 100%. I said yes. They will and are taking the chance. That knee is not 100% and D1 wrestling is hard on the body. He is taking a risk at this point. Injury risk is always there but the further your away from surgery, the better your chances to avoid re injury. But, the normal risk is always there too so you kind of stack the odds a little.
I've had my ACL repaired. I think we can all google and read that at 9 months it is healed. The real issue is why it tore in the first place. Was it a freak twist? Was it an imbalance in the muscle coordination? If the underlying issues are there it will just tear again.

I was playing league volleyball on mine after 3 months. I had the OK from my doctor, and it was the same guy who repaired Robert Smith's ACL tears.
 
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Huh? Could you please exprain?

Btw, what did that bully, K’wood grieve you about? He might need a good talking to....

Or do you mean you skated by without the Vaseline after getting reamed by K’wood?:D
 
Lee and Marinelli will outplace those rankings IMO. Everything else is pretty close though I don't think Stoll will place that high. I think him and Wilcke both finish in the 4-6 range this year. Add in PD3 possibly and there's a real chance at 7 AA finishes and a realistic shot at at least three in the finals.
 
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I know...it just seems like some folks are setting this up as an "I was right" moment if Lee gets reinjured. Not meant for you 255 as I have read your posts over the years and know you are not a Dbag. But we had a dude start a thread an hour or two after his loss to basically pat himself on the back for being "right." Med has cleared him, the staff have evaluated, and Spencer is in. Now we can debate about it on here or get behind him and hope he wins a title.

Personally, I was for the redshirt for strategic reasons and the knee. After seeing him live going in the room and at UNI/Midlands, I believe its up to him. Still shaky on the strategic reasons. How long do we hold him back tho? A year...through freestyle? Lots of what ifs.
You forgot to end that post with #WeAreAllTroutman
 
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Lee and Marinelli will outplace those rankings IMO. Everything else is pretty close though I don't think Stoll will place that high. I think him and Wilcke both finish in the 4-6 range this year. Add in PD3 possibly and there's a real chance at 7 AA finishes and a realistic shot at at least three in the finals.
I got Lee 1-3, BS 1-3, Kem 1-3, Bull 3-5, PD3 1-3, Cash 4-6, Stoll 4-6. That's one heck of a team. Problem is PSU and tOSU cover that.
 
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I got Lee 1-3, BS 1-3, Kem 1-3, Bull 3-5, PD3 1-3, Cash 4-6, Stoll 4-6. That's one heck of a team. Problem is PSU and tOSU cover that.

Sorenson and Kem at this point are unfortunately not in contention to win it IMO. Lee could place anywhere from 1-6 and I wouldn't be surprised, 125 is loaded and we have seen that guys of Bresser's caliber can pull of a W on any given day. Agree on the rest, though I could also see Marinelli placing lower only because of how tough 165 is this year.

Also, I think PD3 could win it potentially, though I don't think he beats either Nickal or Martin. We can talk about rest time and all that but the last time he wrestled Nickal he got teched. I think it will be more of the same there and Martin will be a close match, maybe 50/50.
 
Use your eyes.
The question was if they would let him go if not 100%. I said yes. They will and are taking the chance. That knee is not 100% and D1 wrestling is hard on the body. He is taking a risk at this point. Injury risk is always there but the further your away from surgery, the better your chances to avoid re injury. But, the normal risk is always there too so you kind of stack the odds a little.

Not rooting against him or anything.
As a guy who wrestled 90% of his career in a brace and 8 or 10 surgeries, I am concerned FOR him. But like I made my choice, he did too. He is way more talented and most likely has superior doctors so that helps. I just don’t want to see a bright career cut short and don’t wish life with a bad knee on anyone. But to be clear and use words, I will be there Friday and look forward to seeing this kid light it up. Maybe just an extra prayer of protection.

You don’t know jack $hit about the condition of his knee. But you are sure using a lot of your words, so bully for you.


No nap again today, hu?
 
Did not mean to imply that. Just saying.

I know...it just seems like some folks are setting this up as an "I was right" moment if Lee gets reinjured. Not meant for you 255 as I have read your posts over the years and know you are not a Dbag. But we had a dude start a thread an hour or two after his loss to basically pat himself on the back for being "right." Med has cleared him, the staff have evaluated, and Spencer is in. Now we can debate about it on here or get behind him and hope he wins a title.

Personally, I was for the redshirt for strategic reasons and the knee. After seeing him live going in the room and at UNI/Midlands, I believe its up to him. Still shaky on the strategic reasons. How long do we hold him back tho? A year...through freestyle? Lots of what ifs.

Makes sense. Sad thing is that setting up “I was right” means something went bad. I don’t think anyone wants that really. But if you look at it another way, it’s kind of a cool discussion. It’s all been around strategy or the knee. It seems everybody agrees that mentally and talent, kid has what he needs. I haven’t seen anyone really doubt that he can hack it with the Other Top guys.
 
I got Lee 1-3, BS 1-3, Kem 1-3, Bull 3-5, PD3 1-3, Cash 4-6, Stoll 4-6. That's one heck of a team. Problem is PSU and tOSU cover that.
No reason Cash or Stroll can’t outplace 4th. No reason Happel can’t catch fire this season and throw in some meaningful pts at 41. No reason Gunther can’t put up solid pts in wrestlebacks.

Obviously, if we are going to be dangerous this year, it will mean some guys have to catch a can’t-lose spirit and ride it through the bracket, but we’ve seen it happen before. The point is, we’re putting ourselves in position to strike with this line-up, and if we can get our heads right and find the championship mentality that Hawkeye wrestlers have found time and again when it counts, this team can be just as dangerous as any other we’ve taken to NCAA’s. Sure, the competition is fierce as hell now, but it’s not like we’re putting guys out there who don’t know how to win. I’m glad they’re putting our best foot forward with this lineup, and can’t wait to see if the kids can come through under the gun.
 
Have you
Sure. At 80% or 85%, yea. Many guys compete with injuries that still need time or worse. Nothing new.

If 100%, why that brace? (And before anyone reacts, it is a fair question. Wrestling with a brace is very limiting and that size of brace is not needed for a stable/reliable knee even as precaution) there is a lot of pressure about Lee and I can see them taking a risk sooner than they wanted

It is exciting, sure. I am excited to see him compete but it can go both ways. I don’t think they would do something stupid or dangerous. I do think there are risks they are willing to take. No one has all the data on this to say one way or the other. Maybe 5 people in the world have the entire picture. I am going to trust them and enjoy.

Tom can’t win one way or the other in this, so...go get ‘em Lee. It will be a great boost.
 
I like to gamble when I'm drunk! If anyone wants to take any of these bets(trolls) I'm good for it.
Lee(if healthy) top 4, 2:1 odds he wins it.
Iowa places top 4(already made bet $100 top. 6)
Sorensen top 3
Big one here-Marinelli places ahead of Joseph.

I like to wager in $100
 
I like to gamble when I'm drunk! If anyone wants to take any of these bets(trolls) I'm good for it.
Lee(if healthy) top 4, 2:1 odds he wins it.
Iowa places top 4(already made bet $100 top. 6)
Sorensen top 3
Big one here-Marinelli places ahead of Joseph.

I like to wager in $100
You the man!
 
I got Lee 1-3, BS 1-3, Kem 1-3, Bull 3-5, PD3 1-3, Cash 4-6, Stoll 4-6. That's one heck of a team. Problem is PSU and tOSU cover that.
Regardless of those other schools, that’s a good team. If they perform in March and score 100+ points then I will be pleased (Tarp - when’s the last time Iowa scored more than 100 points in March?).
 
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