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Opinion: Putin has gone full Stalin. Here’s how the West should handle him.

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By David Von Drehle
Columnist
Today at 3:50 p.m. EST


As Russia teeters on the brink of a very dangerous mistake, the question recurs: Is Vladimir Putin a great and daring leader, or is he out of control?
Recent images from Moscow are anything but reassuring. Putin looks — how to put this nicely? — completely bonkers, or what the British call “starkers,” short for stark raving mad. Maybe it’s the pandemic. Or maybe Putin is worried that he’s not the only poisoner in Russia. But for whatever reason, he appears to have reached the phase in a tyrant’s career when human contact becomes terrifying.
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Putin parks himself at one end of a ridiculously long conference table to parley with a visiting dignitary barely in shouting range. The other day, he convened a council of his advisers in the vast Kremlin meeting room of the Civic Chamber. He sat on one side of the expanse while his team hollered from the other.






Money plus monomania can make a guy crazy. The 20th-century industrialist Howard Hughes went so cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs that he bought a hotel, locked himself in the penthouse and used tissue boxes as slippers to protect his feet from germs. But at least he never invaded Ukraine. Putin suffers from the same combination of wealth and grandiosity, having robbed his country blind while promising to restore Russia’s lost empire. Note to national security adviser Jake Sullivan: Add bathroom tissue to the sanctions list — that might hit the little dictator where it hurts.
The only thing more dangerous than a nut with nukes is a nut with nukes who idolizes Joseph Stalin. That, alas, is Putin. Plunging Europe into war has not been the only thing on his mind lately. He has also been busy purging Russia of honest historians. In December, a puppet court in northern Russia extended the prison sentence of Yuri Dmitriev to 15 long years on trumped-up charges. His real offense? Documenting a few of Stalin’s countless crimes against humanity. Putin’s government then outlawed the academic movement called Memorial, which supported Dmitriev’s work and that of other scholars.

Opinion: The Kremlin is trying to erase Russia’s collective memory. It won’t succeed.
Putin’s two obsessions — absorbing Ukraine and whitewashing Stalin — share a tangled history. Strategically located on the Black Sea at the crossroads of East and West, Ukraine has been stolen, annexed, occupied and warred over for centuries. Sometimes, the western interior and the Crimean Peninsula were under the same rulers. Other times, they were in opposing hands.








‘He will be stopped’: Ukrainians vow to stand up to Putin








Activists in Kharkiv held a vigil on Feb. 22 to remember Ukraine’s war victims and pray for peace amid a new military escalation by Russia. (Whitney Leaming, Lee Powell/The Washington Post)
Stalin’s plans for the region were characteristically brutal. He killed millions in the west through a man-made famine and ethnically cleansed Crimea of Tatars, replacing them with Russians. Responsibility for carrying out Stalin’s policies in Ukraine largely fell to Nikita Khrushchev, the Communist party chief for the region.











When Khrushchev rose to power after Stalin’s death, he consolidated the results of all that starving, murdering and cleansing by formally uniting Ukraine and Crimea into one Soviet Socialist Republic. Apparently, the idea was that the surviving Ukrainians would welcome Crimea as a gift — while at the same time the heavily Russian territory would finally tip the demographics of Ukraine toward Russia.
Of course, that’s not what happened. No amount of propaganda from Moscow could convince Ukrainians that they were actually Russians. When the Soviet Union collapsed, they wasted little time before cutting ties to their tormentors and setting up shop as an independent nation. But having no experience at independence, Ukrainians have found this to be a rocky road.
A clear-eyed master strategist would look on this story and see that Stalin’s brutality in Ukraine (as elsewhere) failed to achieve its objective. Millions of deaths and forced relocations did not solve the question of Ukrainian identity in the way Stalin had in mind. Instead, if anything, it deepened the desire of Ukrainians to be free.







Putin appears determined to try the same thing Stalin tried — first by taking back Crimea, which he did in 2014, then by combining it with Ukraine under Russian domination. But he seems to expect a different result, which is one definition of insanity.
Opinion: What we can expect after Putin’s conquest of Ukraine
Those who say that the United States and its allies somehow brought on this crisis are misguided. Geography is destiny, and Ukraine’s location means that it will be fought over unless it is protected by a robust commitment to peace. Putin has no such commitment.
In its response, the West must keep a grip on reality. The way to deal with a Stalin wannabe is the same way the world dealt with the original: Surround, contain and hold that line with steely patience. It’s crazy to think that the Cold War is resuming — but that appears to be exactly what is happening. The same alliance that won the first time will win again, if only the West can keep its wits.

 
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If someone else ie not putin had risen to power in russia, are we in a very different dynamic with them? or does their military/secret service apparatus still keep them on the same trajectory? asking to get a feel for whether whats going on is an individual driven phenomenon or something unavoidable?
 
By David Von Drehle
Columnist
Today at 3:50 p.m. EST


As Russia teeters on the brink of a very dangerous mistake, the question recurs: Is Vladimir Putin a great and daring leader, or is he out of control?
Recent images from Moscow are anything but reassuring. Putin looks — how to put this nicely? — completely bonkers, or what the British call “starkers,” short for stark raving mad. Maybe it’s the pandemic. Or maybe Putin is worried that he’s not the only poisoner in Russia. But for whatever reason, he appears to have reached the phase in a tyrant’s career when human contact becomes terrifying.
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Putin parks himself at one end of a ridiculously long conference table to parley with a visiting dignitary barely in shouting range. The other day, he convened a council of his advisers in the vast Kremlin meeting room of the Civic Chamber. He sat on one side of the expanse while his team hollered from the other.






Money plus monomania can make a guy crazy. The 20th-century industrialist Howard Hughes went so cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs that he bought a hotel, locked himself in the penthouse and used tissue boxes as slippers to protect his feet from germs. But at least he never invaded Ukraine. Putin suffers from the same combination of wealth and grandiosity, having robbed his country blind while promising to restore Russia’s lost empire. Note to national security adviser Jake Sullivan: Add bathroom tissue to the sanctions list — that might hit the little dictator where it hurts.
The only thing more dangerous than a nut with nukes is a nut with nukes who idolizes Joseph Stalin. That, alas, is Putin. Plunging Europe into war has not been the only thing on his mind lately. He has also been busy purging Russia of honest historians. In December, a puppet court in northern Russia extended the prison sentence of Yuri Dmitriev to 15 long years on trumped-up charges. His real offense? Documenting a few of Stalin’s countless crimes against humanity. Putin’s government then outlawed the academic movement called Memorial, which supported Dmitriev’s work and that of other scholars.

Opinion: The Kremlin is trying to erase Russia’s collective memory. It won’t succeed.
Putin’s two obsessions — absorbing Ukraine and whitewashing Stalin — share a tangled history. Strategically located on the Black Sea at the crossroads of East and West, Ukraine has been stolen, annexed, occupied and warred over for centuries. Sometimes, the western interior and the Crimean Peninsula were under the same rulers. Other times, they were in opposing hands.








‘He will be stopped’: Ukrainians vow to stand up to Putin








Activists in Kharkiv held a vigil on Feb. 22 to remember Ukraine’s war victims and pray for peace amid a new military escalation by Russia. (Whitney Leaming, Lee Powell/The Washington Post)
Stalin’s plans for the region were characteristically brutal. He killed millions in the west through a man-made famine and ethnically cleansed Crimea of Tatars, replacing them with Russians. Responsibility for carrying out Stalin’s policies in Ukraine largely fell to Nikita Khrushchev, the Communist party chief for the region.











When Khrushchev rose to power after Stalin’s death, he consolidated the results of all that starving, murdering and cleansing by formally uniting Ukraine and Crimea into one Soviet Socialist Republic. Apparently, the idea was that the surviving Ukrainians would welcome Crimea as a gift — while at the same time the heavily Russian territory would finally tip the demographics of Ukraine toward Russia.
Of course, that’s not what happened. No amount of propaganda from Moscow could convince Ukrainians that they were actually Russians. When the Soviet Union collapsed, they wasted little time before cutting ties to their tormentors and setting up shop as an independent nation. But having no experience at independence, Ukrainians have found this to be a rocky road.
A clear-eyed master strategist would look on this story and see that Stalin’s brutality in Ukraine (as elsewhere) failed to achieve its objective. Millions of deaths and forced relocations did not solve the question of Ukrainian identity in the way Stalin had in mind. Instead, if anything, it deepened the desire of Ukrainians to be free.







Putin appears determined to try the same thing Stalin tried — first by taking back Crimea, which he did in 2014, then by combining it with Ukraine under Russian domination. But he seems to expect a different result, which is one definition of insanity.
Opinion: What we can expect after Putin’s conquest of Ukraine
Those who say that the United States and its allies somehow brought on this crisis are misguided. Geography is destiny, and Ukraine’s location means that it will be fought over unless it is protected by a robust commitment to peace. Putin has no such commitment.
In its response, the West must keep a grip on reality. The way to deal with a Stalin wannabe is the same way the world dealt with the original: Surround, contain and hold that line with steely patience. It’s crazy to think that the Cold War is resuming — but that appears to be exactly what is happening. The same alliance that won the first time will win again, if only the West can keep its wits.

So about 13 paragraphs of snark and one paragraph of solution. That solution is basically “hold the line.”

WaPo fluff piece is fluffy.

This is why people think the US is weak.

Lousy beatniks.
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So about 13 paragraphs of snark and one paragraph of solution. That solution is basically “hold the line.”

WaPo fluff piece is fluffy.

This is why people think the US is weak.

Lousy beatniks.
fM8WpvsXQNPViUzp4RPTJncgYu8=.gif
Derp.

With Russian oligarchs getting hit in the pockets and that top Russian general calling for Putin to step down, it’s no wonder Vlad is paranoid. I think the sanctions will encourage a coup or removing Putin from office. Vlad is flailing with this Ukraine BS.

 
If someone else ie not putin had risen to power in russia, are we in a very different dynamic with them? or does their military/secret service apparatus still keep them on the same trajectory? asking to get a feel for whether whats going on is an individual driven phenomenon or something unavoidable?
I think it's an individual thing. Had someone like Gorbachev been able to rise to power in Russia after the breakup of the Soviet Union, there was a chance they could have become a western democracy. Yeltsin was a buffoon and sold off state properties to the Oligarchs and started the slide back into dictoatorship. And then he gave us Putin, probably the worst Russian leader since Stalin. He has a long ways to go to be as evil as Stalin, but he is certainly on the right track.
 
Derp.

With Russian oligarchs getting hit in the pockets and that top Russian general calling for Putin to step down, it’s no wonder Vlad is paranoid. I think the sanctions will encourage a coup or removing Putin from office. Vlad is flailing with this Ukraine BS.

Or, Vlad has admitted his lifelong ambition is to recreate the old Russia and moves like this are necessary. Vlad is not going to live forever so these are the years where he knows he can define his legacy.

This is not a madman who is shooting from the hip. He has wanted this for decades.
 
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Derp.

With Russian oligarchs getting hit in the pockets and that top Russian general calling for Putin to step down, it’s no wonder Vlad is paranoid. I think the sanctions will encourage a coup or removing Putin from office. Vlad is flailing with this Ukraine BS.

I hope you are right.
 
Or, Vlad has admitted his lifelong ambition is to recreate the old Russia and moves like this are necessary. Vlad is not going to live forever so these are the years where he knows he can define his legacy.

This is not a madman who is shooting from the hip. He has wanted this for decades.
Well, I agree that he isn't shooting from the hip, but there's a lot to argue about him being a madman.
 
Well, I agree that he isn't shooting from the hip, but there's a lot to argue about him being a madman.
We can call him madman or any other name in the book but that does nothing to solve the problem. He believes he is calculated and operating from a position of strength.

He will keep going. It may not be swift though. The man is patient. But he will keep grabbing land until someone physically stops him.
 
A closer parallel is Hitler, 1938, entering the Sudetenland. He didn’t stop there obviously. Chamberlain and the French were weak and Hitler capitalized. This isn’t the end for Putin. He has designs on the rest of Eastern Europe, but as with the Chinese, we are the ultimate target. They aren’t developing hypersonic weapons to defeat Estonia. Biden is perceived as weak after Afghanistan. Time for Europe and the U.S. to make a stand.
 
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We can call him madman or any other name in the book but that does nothing to solve the problem. He believes he is calculated and operating from a position of strength.

He will keep going. It may not be swift though. The man is patient. But he will keep grabbing land until someone physically stops him.
I don't disagree with this.
 
In December, a puppet court in northern Russia extended the prison sentence of Yuri Dmitriev to 15 long years on trumped-up charges. His real offense? Documenting a few of Stalin’s countless crimes against humanity. Putin’s government then outlawed the academic movement called Memorial, which supported Dmitriev’s work and that of other scholars.
Did anyone else read this with a sense of deja vu?
 
I’m curious as to what the Russian people think about this. Are they getting the full story? Sincerely doubt it, but you have to wonder if younger Russkies support this action? Anxious to take over a country to re-create the “old” Soviet Union that their parents and grandparents have talked about and framed as the bad old days?
 
I’m curious as to what the Russian people think about this. Are they getting the full story? Sincerely doubt it, but you have to wonder if younger Russkies support this action? Anxious to take over a country to re-create the “old” Soviet Union that their parents and grandparents have talked about and framed as the bad old days?
Apparently only 50% supported using force to stop Ukraine from joining NATO, a shockingly low number. Putin was already suffering his lowest approval ratings ever. If the US/NATO get involved and Russia gets bogged down/suffers defeats, it really could be the end for Putin.
 
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Apparently only 50% supported using force to stop Ukraine from joining NATO, a shockingly low number. Putin was already suffering his lowest approval ratings ever. If the US/NATO get involved and Russia gets bogged down/suffers defeats, it really could be the end for Putin.
I’d say that’s great but who is the next up to replace him? Someone worse?
 
I have listened to a few Lex Friedman podcasts (he is a professor at MIT and a native Russian).

it is amazing how much government corruption there is in Russia and how it’s openly acknowledge and accepted.

it is such a bizarre issue and it really is the reason for everything there. Much more so than them worrying about the United States.
 
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Derp.

With Russian oligarchs getting hit in the pockets and that top Russian general calling for Putin to step down, it’s no wonder Vlad is paranoid.

Hit 'em harder.

Expel all their kids from US universities and ship them home.
And not by 1st class air; throw them onto a really shitty barge and float them back over a few months. Putin can "rescue" them when the boat hits Russian territorial waters.
 
The funny thing is....Putin didn't want Ukraine to be part of NATO but after he takes Ukraine he will have NATO countries as his neighbors! Where will he stop???????
 
Hit 'em harder.

Expel all their kids from US universities and ship them home.
And not by 1st class air; throw them onto a really shitty barge and float them back over a few months. Putin can "rescue" them when the boat hits Russian territorial waters.

This is what you do. However, with our supreme court majority that owes it's existence to Putin, they would likely stop any move to expel Russian oligarchs and their families.
 

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) was sharply criticized by fellow lawmakers on both sides of the aisle Thursday after saying that the “only way” to end the crisis in Ukraine is for Russians to assassinate President Vladimir Putin.

“Is there a Brutus in Russia? Is there a more successful Colonel Stauffenberg in the Russian military?” Graham tweeted, referencing the Roman politician who participated in the assassination of Julius Caesar and the German military officer who attempted to kill Adolf Hitler.
“The only way this ends is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out,” he said. “You would be doing your country — and the world — a great service.”

Graham added that if Russians do not want to live in darkness and be isolated from the rest of the world, then “you need to step up to the plate.”






Other members of Congress swiftly criticized Graham’s tweets as reckless, including members of his own party.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) said, “This is an exceptionally bad idea.” Sanctions and boycotts of Russian oil and gas are solutions, along with military aid for the Ukrainians, Cruz said.

“But we should not be calling for the assassination of heads of state,” he added.
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) called Graham’s remarks “dangerous” and “unhinged.”

“We need leaders with calm minds & steady wisdom,” she wrote. “Not blood thirsty warmongering politicians trying to tweet tough by demanding assassinations.”
Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) said calls for Putin’s assassination from U.S. politicians “aren’t helpful.”

“I really wish our members of Congress would cool it and regulate their remarks as the administration works to avoid WWlll,” Omar tweeted. “As the world pays attention to how the US and [its] leaders are responding.”


Norman Eisen, who served as U.S. ambassador to the Czech Republic during the Obama administration, said such comments would only raise tensions.
“Now Putin can say ‘one of the most senior U.S. Senators has called for my assassination,’ ” Eisen, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said. “Why would you want to help him?”

Graham spokesman Kevin Bishop said the senator “also expressed he was okay with a coup to remove Putin.”
“Basic point, Putin has to go,” Bishop said. “He also noted it will be — has to be — the Russian people who do it.”

Some online critics questioned whether the senator’s tweets violated Twitter’s rules against violence. Twitter did not respond to a request for comment from The Washington Post late Thursday.
Sean Hannity suggested assassinating Putin. Experts say that’s illegal — and a bad strategy.
Graham, a retired Air Force officer, has long been critical of Putin. Once an influential member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Graham in 2016 accused Russia of hacking his campaign email account, CNN reported. He said Russia was “trying to destabilize democracy all over the world. Not just here,” according to the outlet.


Graham also called for Russians to assassinate Putin during a Thursday appearance on “Hannity” on Fox News. Moreover, he introduced legislation this week calling for Putin to be investigated for war crimes.
On Wednesday, Sean Hannity suggested on his radio show that the United States carry out an assassination of Putin, saying, “You cut the head of the snake off, and you kill the snake.” Experts told The Post that such a move would not help solve the crisis, and it would be illegal outside an armed conflict with Russia.

 
Damn , Graham is correct, Putin has put a bounty on the Ukraine leader. If its good for one, then its good for the other. ROT IN HELL Putin, sooner than later.
 
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