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Opinion The lesson from the Hamas attack: The U.S. should recognize a Palestinian state

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Daoud Kuttab, a Palestinian journalist, is a former Ferris Professor of Journalism at Princeton University.
What happened in Israel on Saturday should not have surprised anyone.

Palestinian officials had repeatedly spoken of an explosion if there was no political progress on alleviating their people’s suffering. Addressing the U.N. General Assembly, King Abdullah II of Jordan said, “Without clarity on where the Palestinians’ future lies, it will be impossible to converge on a political solution to this conflict. Five million Palestinians live under occupation — no civil rights; no freedom of mobility; no say in their lives.” And recently, Egyptian intelligence had reportedly warned Israel of a catastrophe unless there was political progress.


Palestinian leaders, Jordan’s king and Egyptian officials knew that without hope, something would give.


The late Israeli president Shimon Peres used to quote an Arabic proverb: Fil haraka baraka — there is a blessing in movement. Unfortunately, there has been no movement on the political front for years. The last public talks between Israelis and Palestinians ended in 2014, and at the time, U.S. Secretary of State John F. Kerry put the blame on the Israelis for their suspension.
Since then, no talks have taken place, even while three U.S. presidents — Barack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden — have invoked the empty mantra of a two-state solution.



This absence of a political process was compounded by the recent stoking of religious tensions. Three days before the Hamas attack, Jordan, the recognized custodian of the holy places in Jerusalem, sent a letter to the Israeli Embassy in Amman protesting the fact that Jewish “visitors” had begun praying loudly on the grounds of the al-Aqsa Mosque. At the same time, Israeli police imposed an age restriction preventing young Palestinian Muslim men from entering the mosque itself. While secular Palestinian leaders might be open to a political compromise, religious leaders are much less flexible when matters of faith are in question.


Israeli Jewish nationalists were upending a carefully orchestrated status quo agreement on Muslim holy sites, and their actions have hurt the Christian community in Jerusalem, as well. Last month in Rome, the Latin patriarch of Jerusalem, Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa, raised the situation with Pope Francis and mentioned it in news conferences and during his first homily. He even said that Gaza was an “open prison” — a statement that angered Israelis who have been blindly complacent for so long that they were unable to hear advice even from their friends.

The carefully planned attacks on Saturday produced atrocities that cannot be denied or justified. No righteous cause excuses the slaughter of innocents on the other side. But they also revealed a basic truth: People always want to be free of occupation and of colonial foreign settlements on their land.

Palestinians have been unable to liberate their land using political means. Negotiation efforts by Mahmoud Abbas, president of the secular Palestinian Authority, have come up empty, as has nonviolent activism to boycott Israel. As a result, religious Palestinians have been left with little choice but to attempt to address their own people’s oppression.


There is no mystery about what must happen next. Even though it is lower than before, support for the two-state solution among both Israelis and Palestinians is higher than for any other alternative. But having a Palestinian state alongside the state of Israel requires recognition by the United Nations. The United States has repeatedly wielded its veto against the very same issue to which it pays lip service.
As soon as the violence ebbs, President Biden should courageously recognize an independent and democratic Palestinian state living in peace side by side with a secure Israel. Such a move would need no congressional blessing. Once a Palestinian state under occupation is recognized by the U.N. Security Council, productive talks between representatives of the state of Israel and representatives of the state of Palestine can then begin in earnest.
This kind of proposal might seem fanciful at the moment, but there is no other way forward.

 
President Biden should courageously recognize an independent and democratic Palestinian state living in peace side by side with a secure Israel. Such a move would need no congressional blessing. Once a Palestinian state under occupation is recognized by the U.N. Security Council, productive talks between representatives of the state of Israel and representatives of the state of Palestine can then begin in earnest.
Sounds OK, but would it work?

Does recognition of a state require Security Council approval? I thought that was a General Assembly function, but maybe that's wrong.

If it were solely a General Assembly function, then why hasn't it already happened? I've always thought the answer to that question is that the Palestinian Authority has never requested statehood. But maybe that's wrong, too.

Can someone clarify?
 
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how would palestine become a state?

BING:

The history of Palestine is complex and has been shaped by various political, social, and economic factors. During the Mandatory period, numerous plans of partition of Palestine were proposed but without the agreement of all parties. In 1947, the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was voted. This triggered the 1947–1949 Palestine war and led, in 1948, to the establishment of the state of Israel on a part of Mandate Palestine as the Mandate came to an end 123.

Since then, there have been proposals to establish a Palestinian state. In 1969, for example, the PLO proposed the establishment of a binational state over the whole of the former British Mandate territory. This proposal was rejected by Israel, as it would have amounted to the disbanding of the state of Israel. The basis of current proposals is for a two-state solution on either a portion of or the entirety of the Palestinian territories —the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, which have been occupied by Israel since 1967 1.

The process for establishing a Palestinian state is complex and involves negotiations between various parties. The international community has been involved in efforts to broker peace between Israel and Palestine. The Oslo Accords signed in 1993 were an attempt to establish a framework for peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine. However, despite several rounds of negotiations over the years, a final agreement has not yet been reached 1.
 
I agree with the notion of a separate Palestinian state. Some people I respect - like Chomsky - prefer (or previously preferred) a one-state solution. I haven't really paid any attention to that argument because it never seemed likely to happen in any way other than the one state being Israel without much room for Palestinians.

BUT . . . JUST SUPPOSE there is a Palestinian state. Smart people make border adjustments and land swaps so that the state of Palestine isn't just a dysfunctional cluster of Bantustans.

Then what?

Does Israel maintain its blockade and other restrictions on movement and trade? Is that legal against an actual state, absent a war?

And if Israel doesn't maintain that tight control, wouldn't that just open the floodgates for Iran and others to supply weapons to Palestine?

How can this work?
 
As long as we are "just supposing," JUST SUPPOSE Israel succeeds in destroying Hamas.

Then what?

Does the ineffectual Palestinian Authority take over in Gaza?

Will there be elections? If so, how soon? If so, who are the candidates; what are the parties? Are any of them better than Hamas? Could they beat the seemingly-inevitable Hamas-like replacement?
 
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As long as we are "just supposing," JUST SUPPOSE Israel succeeds in destroying Hamas.

Then what?

Does the ineffectual Palestinian Authority take over in Gaza?

Will there be elections? If so, how soon? If so, who are the candidates; what are the parties? Are any of them better than Hamas? Could they beat they seemingly-inevitable Hamas-like replacement?
Hamas just will get replaced by Islamic Jihad...they basically strong arm the "palestinian authority" in the West Bank anyway...
 
So we should reward terrorism by giving terrorist a state? Yes, the Palestinians aren't the same as Hamas. It's a small distinction when Hamas is acting for the Palestinians.

How about Saudi Arabia and Jordan donating some of their land that's adjacent to Israel for a Palestinian state.
 
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Perhaps we could start with basic things like better schools, medical care, economic opportunity.

Won’t happen overnight but current policy isn’t working and provides the necessary conditions for the terrorists to thrive.
That's not for a lack of $$$

Here’s a look at the main forms of international aid to Gaza:



— From 2014-2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza, including $600 million in 2020 alone. More than 80% of that funding is channeled through the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, who make up three-fourths of Gaza’s population. Some 280,000 children in Gaza attend schools run by UNRWA, which also provides health services and food aid.

— Qatar has provided $1.3 billion in aid to Gaza since 2012 for construction, health services and agriculture. That includes $360 million pledged in January for 2021 and another $500 million pledged for reconstruction after the war in May. Qatar’s aid also goes to needy families and to help pay Hamas government salaries.

— The Palestinian Authority says it will spend $1.7 billion on Gaza this year, mainly on salaries for tens of thousands of civil servants who stopped working when Hamas took over in 2007.


— Egypt pledged $500 million in aid after the May war, but it’s unclear how much has materialized. It sent construction crews to clear rubble over the summer.

— Germany and other European countries will spend nearly 70 million euros ($80 million) on water projects in Gaza this year, in addition to their contributions to UNRWA.

— The U.S. has spent at least $5.5 million in Gaza this year on cash assistance and health care, in addition to contributing $90 million to UNRWA operations in Gaza and the occupied West Bank.

— Israel is granting work permits to 10,000 Gazans who undergo security vetting, providing a crucial source of income for families with no known connection to Hamas.

 
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That's not for a lack of $$$

Here’s a look at the main forms of international aid to Gaza:



— From 2014-2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza, including $600 million in 2020 alone. More than 80% of that funding is channeled through the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, who make up three-fourths of Gaza’s population. Some 280,000 children in Gaza attend schools run by UNRWA, which also provides health services and food aid.

— Qatar has provided $1.3 billion in aid to Gaza since 2012 for construction, health services and agriculture. That includes $360 million pledged in January for 2021 and another $500 million pledged for reconstruction after the war in May. Qatar’s aid also goes to needy families and to help pay Hamas government salaries.

— The Palestinian Authority says it will spend $1.7 billion on Gaza this year, mainly on salaries for tens of thousands of civil servants who stopped working when Hamas took over in 2007.


— Egypt pledged $500 million in aid after the May war, but it’s unclear how much has materialized. It sent construction crews to clear rubble over the summer.

— Germany and other European countries will spend nearly 70 million euros ($80 million) on water projects in Gaza this year, in addition to their contributions to UNRWA.

— The U.S. has spent at least $5.5 million in Gaza this year on cash assistance and health care, in addition to contributing $90 million to UNRWA operations in Gaza and the occupied West Bank.

— Israel is granting work permits to 10,000 Gazans who undergo security vetting, providing a crucial source of income for families with no known connection to Hamas.

Stop with the facts, please.
It only pisses off the trolls and bots.
 
That's not for a lack of $$$

Here’s a look at the main forms of international aid to Gaza:



— From 2014-2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza, including $600 million in 2020 alone. More than 80% of that funding is channeled through the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, who make up three-fourths of Gaza’s population. Some 280,000 children in Gaza attend schools run by UNRWA, which also provides health services and food aid.

— Qatar has provided $1.3 billion in aid to Gaza since 2012 for construction, health services and agriculture. That includes $360 million pledged in January for 2021 and another $500 million pledged for reconstruction after the war in May. Qatar’s aid also goes to needy families and to help pay Hamas government salaries.

— The Palestinian Authority says it will spend $1.7 billion on Gaza this year, mainly on salaries for tens of thousands of civil servants who stopped working when Hamas took over in 2007.


— Egypt pledged $500 million in aid after the May war, but it’s unclear how much has materialized. It sent construction crews to clear rubble over the summer.

— Germany and other European countries will spend nearly 70 million euros ($80 million) on water projects in Gaza this year, in addition to their contributions to UNRWA.

— The U.S. has spent at least $5.5 million in Gaza this year on cash assistance and health care, in addition to contributing $90 million to UNRWA operations in Gaza and the occupied West Bank.

— Israel is granting work permits to 10,000 Gazans who undergo security vetting, providing a crucial source of income for families with no known connection to Hamas.

First, those sums are a mere pittance. More importantly it would isn’t an aidquestion. You cannot treat a class of people as second class citizens, deprive of them of basic rights, and not expect them to react with violence.
 
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First, those sums are a mere pittance. More importantly it would isn’t an aid question. You cannot treat a class of people as second class citizens, deprive of them of basic rights, and not expect them to react with violence.
Apparently you have the intelligence of a flea or you’re a bot.
 
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Making Palestine a state isn't going to stop the entire region from wanting Israel to die.
This is mostly true, though both Egypt and Saudi Arabia have made a lot of diplomatic progress with Israel in the past 6 years or so.
 
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If life for Palestinians becomes better would that not give terrorists less opportunity to recruit members too the cause.

Maybe but the old members can go and cause enough problems that Israel is forced to respond into the Palestinian state where Hamas will hide and the whole cycle of violence would continue.

The only way it works is if the Palestinians give power to people who won't tolerate Hamas.
 
Recognize something there is no infrastructure for? No government? No defined territory.

Sure, what could go wrong? Lol.

As long as you have simpletons who think God promised them land, it will never end.
 
Recognize something there is no infrastructure for? No government? No defined territory.

Sure, what could go wrong? Lol.

As long as you have simpletons who think God promised them land, it will never end.
Or that Allah promised them thirty seven virgins in Paradise??
 
First, those sums are a mere pittance. More importantly it would isn’t an aidquestion. You cannot treat a class of people as second class citizens, deprive of them of basic rights, and not expect them to react with violence.
You do realize that Jordan and Saudi Arabia treated the Palestinians much worse than Israel has treated them, right? They are essentially refugees.
 
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You do realize that Jordan and Saudi Arabia treated the Palestinians much worse than Israel has treated them, right? They are essentially refugees.

Thats a good point. Egypt, Jordan,, etc....they want nothing to do with those people.
 
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