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Oregon occupiers release videos mocking FBI, joyriding in federal vehicles

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It's way past time to take these criminal clowns down:

The last four occupiers of an Oregon wildlife refuge have posted a series of defiant videos in which one of them calls FBI agents losers, shows a defensive perimeter they have built and takes a joyride in a government vehicle.

The videos were posted Sunday on a YouTube channel called Defend Your Base, which the armed group has been using to give live updates. The holdouts are among 16 people charged with conspiracy to interfere with federal workers in the armed standoff over federal land policy that has surpassed five weeks.

In one of the new videos, occupier David Fry says the FBI told him he faces additional charges because of defensive barricades the four have built.

"We just got done talking with the FBI," said the 27-year-old Blanchester, Ohio, resident. "They consider fortifying a crime."

Fry said he, Jeff Banta of Nevada, and husband and wife Sean and Sandy Anderson of Idaho have "every right" to defend themselves from the "oncoming onslaught of people with fully automatic rifles (and) armored vehicles.

"I'm tired of you guys telling us what we can and can't do," he says.

Then Fry shows government vehicles they have been using without permission. He walks up to a white truck and says, "I think I'm going to take it on a little joyride.

"Now you've got another charge on me FBI. I'm driving your vehicle."

FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said the agency had no comment on the videos.

The four have refused to leave the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in eastern Oregon since the compound nearly emptied out after the Jan. 26 arrests of group leader Ammon Bundy and other main figures. The group seized the property on Jan. 2, demanding federal lands be turned over to locals.

The traffic stop on a remote road outside the refuge also led police to shoot and kill Robert "LaVoy" Finicum. The FBI says the Arizona rancher was reaching for a pistol in his pocket, but Finicum's family and Bundy's followers dispute that and say his death was not justified.

Authorities surrounded the refuge after the arrests. The FBI has been negotiating, but the holdouts have said they won't go home without assurances they won't be arrested.


In another video posted Sunday, Sean and Sandy Anderson are sitting together and the husband says they feel like hostages because they can't leave without being arrested.

"What are they to do with us?" Sean Anderson says. "They either let us go, drop all charges because we're good people, or they come in and kill us. How's that going to set with America?"

Meanwhile, Ammon Bundy's attorneys on Monday released an audio recording in which the jailed occupation leader called on elected officials in eight states to visit arrested occupiers from those states and show support for their rights to free speech, assembly and civil disobedience.

While federal authorities say the refuge occupation is illegal and Bundy's followers had threatened violence and intimidated federal employees, Bundy contends the takeover was a peaceful protest.


Criminal complaint against Oregon protesters

A Nevada state Assembly member who is sympathetic to Bundy's cause, Michelle Fiore, said Monday she and lawmakers from several other states plan to meet in Portland this week to protest the jailing of Bundy and his followers. She said the lawmakers are members of a group called the Coalition of Western States, which opposes federal management of Western lands.

"My folks are prisoners for exercising political free speech. That is not OK," the Republican lawmaker told the AP.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ching-standoff-fbi-videos-20160209-story.html
 
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I like it to be honest, they're telling the state to go #$#$ itself. We are not mere peasants, and they are not supreme warlords. If they get challenged, then so be it.
 
Just a bunch of freeloaders trying to freeload even more. Hang em high!

I'm not saying "Hang'em high"...I'm just sayin' this situation is being treated much differently than if a minority group of some type was involved. It's a puzzlement to me to see the difference...and imagine how it "looks" to a member of a minority group.
 
You know, if these guys were Muslims or blacks, we'd have ended this situation a couple of weeks ago. Why the "hands off" policy because a bunch of nutty old white guys are involved?
Link to where Muslims or blacks doing the exact same thing were treated differently?
 
You're right. Armed middle aged white men taking over federal buildings is nothing like unarmed black kids simply walking down the street.
And looting and burning down businesses, turning cars over and burning them and attacking innocent bystanders. Your leaving out a ton of significant facts and it's dishonest to do so. Ferguson wasn't a dozen people holed up in the woods, it was hundreds actively attacking both businesses and the police.
 
And looting and burning down businesses, turning cars over and burning them and attacking innocent bystanders. Your leaving out a ton of significant facts and it's dishonest to do so. Ferguson wasn't a dozen people holed up in the woods, it was hundreds actively attacking both businesses and the police.
well, whitey deserved that. payback and all.
 
well, whitey deserved that. payback and all.
Police should be responsible for their actions. It shouldn't be a racial thing. While the ferguson shooting may have been legit, many other instances of cops killing are not. I get the reason for protests. I cannot approve of burning down the Quicky-Mart though.
 
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You're right. Armed middle aged white men taking over federal buildings is nothing like unarmed black kids simply walking down the street.
Simply walking down the street?

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Police should be responsible for their actions. It shouldn't be a racial thing. While the ferguson shooting may have been legit, many other instances of cops killing are not. I get the reason for protests. I cannot approve of burning down the Quicky-Mart though.
I get the deal where people are upset over wrongful police actions. I just do not get the race card thing. if they would have said that all lives matter, white, black, police, military, Asian, everyone. I would have been fine.
 
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I'm not saying "Hang'em high"...I'm just sayin' this situation is being treated much differently than if a minority group of some type was involved. It's a puzzlement to me to see the difference...and imagine how it "looks" to a member of a minority group.

I think Obama is trying to apply the lessons of Waco.

So far, I think he's been patient waiting them out and not creating a potentially dangerous situation.
 
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I get the deal where people are upset over wrongful police actions. I just do not get the race card thing. if they would have said that all lives matter, white, black, police, military, Asian, everyone. I would have been fine.
Sometime I agree that you don't always make sense my friend but this post makes complete sense. I can't wait to see how many will have an argument against this.
 
And looting and burning down businesses, turning cars over and burning them and attacking innocent bystanders. Your leaving out a ton of significant facts and it's dishonest to do so. Ferguson wasn't a dozen people holed up in the woods, it was hundreds actively attacking both businesses and the police.
Single teenaged kids were overturning cars? Just how strong do you think black people are?
 
You're not doing so hot in this thread.

I guess I don't understand. I googled "Ferguson Riots Arrest" and the link below is the first one that came up. 144 rioters were arrested in one day alone. Are you saying that the Ferguson rioters were not arrested? Are you saying that the occupiers in Oregon were selectively arrested? No true either. I guess I don't understand why you are bringing up Ferguson at all. They are completely different.
 
I guess I don't understand. I googled "Ferguson Riots Arrest" and the link below is the first one that came up. 144 rioters were arrested in one day alone. Are you saying that the Ferguson rioters were not arrested? Are you saying that the occupiers in Oregon were selectively arrested? No true either. I guess I don't understand why you are bringing up Ferguson at all. They are completely different.
Joel brought ferguson up. I agree they are totally different, but he and Huey are trying to say the only difference was skin color.
 
Oregon clowns are waiting for Hollywood to write a story about this. One numb nut already bit the dust so they're doing their part. Now if we could just get the Feds to bring in some drones and mysteriously rocket launch them we could end this sooner
 
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Google Operation Push, Philadelphia, and police using explosives.
I did and again, not really the same. MOVE had shot a cop dead and was breaking many laws in that building over a period of four years before the cops thrived to enter by dropping bombs. Now, I don't know enough beyond that as of now to make an informed opinion and I'm not going to blindly take either side, but regardless there was a four year period of controversial occupancy before the cops attacked.

It seems better compared to Waco as the building was burned by the cops. Of course the people in Waco were white so I'm failing to see how race mattered.
 
These people are delusional. They really believe they should not be held accountable for their actions. Let's drive around in government vehicles and not expect any consequences.
 
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Getting back from the tangent (some people will always support the ammosexuals), the videos from Defend Your Base have been pretty funny. Every now and again they have a little too much to drink, or the power on their phone goes out and everyone freaks out that the feds are coming to kill them all. They start shouting in the camera for the national guard to break thru the lines with their tanks to defend them and the constitution meanwhile their supporters claim that they're rounding up 100k "patriots" and will be there by dawn!!!
It's good stuff.
 
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I like it to be honest, they're telling the state to go #$#$ itself. We are not mere peasants, and they are not supreme warlords. If they get challenged, then so be it.

Do you actually believe this to be true? That this is a STATE'S rights issue?

Do you think Bundy, et. al, will approve of anyone else from the state, or me from Iowa, coming and using that land?

Of course they won't. THEY want to use the land and THEY believe it should be theirs, not the people's, not the state's, and not the fed's, theirs. Hell, you can be sure they wouldn't even share it with the guys who holed up with them.
 
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Getting back from the tangent (some people will always support the ammosexuals), the videos from Defend Your Base have been pretty funny. Every now and again they have a little too much to drink, or the power on their phone goes out and everyone freaks out that the feds are coming to kill them all. They start shouting in the camera for the national guard to break thru the lines with their tanks to defend them and the constitution meanwhile their supporters claim that they're rounding up 100k "patriots" and will be there by dawn!!!
It's good stuff.

I would support removing these people from the gene pool.
 
Do you actually believe this to be true? That this is a STATE'S rights issue?

Do you think Bundy, et. al, will approve of anyone else from the state, or me from Iowa, coming and using that land?

Of course they won't. THEY want to use the land and THEY believe it should be theirs, not the people's, not the state's, and not the fed's, theirs. Hell, you can be sure they wouldn't even share it with the guys who holed up with them.
Your government does this all the time and you're fine with it. Do you believe the Iraqis and the Afghanis are happy we claimed their land with our bases? Setting up checkpoints in their countries?

Do you have outrage when that happens?
 
I guess I don't understand. I googled "Ferguson Riots Arrest" and the link below is the first one that came up. 144 rioters were arrested in one day alone. Are you saying that the Ferguson rioters were not arrested? Are you saying that the occupiers in Oregon were selectively arrested? No true either. I guess I don't understand why you are bringing up Ferguson at all. They are completely different.
No, Huey is trying to act as if the Ferguson protestors didn't do anything to get arrested. They did, as they openly destroyed property and committed theft right in front of America. I wasn't the one to bring up Ferguson, I simply replied to Huey.
 
No, Huey is trying to act as if the Ferguson protestors didn't do anything to get arrested. They did, as they openly destroyed property and committed theft right in front of America. I wasn't the one to bring up Ferguson, I simply replied to Huey.

I can see a perspective that blacks were treated differently. In Ferguson, police moved in quickly, arresting and prosecuting perpetrators. In this case, police have bent over backwards to allow for cooling off and prevent escalation. In fact, as of this posting, they still haven't stopped the criminal acts. I don't know if I agree with that perspective, but an argument could be made that blacks were treated differently in that case.
 
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I can see a perspective that blacks were treated differently. In Ferguson, police moved in quickly, arresting and prosecuting perpetrators. In this case, police have bent over backwards to allow for cooling off and prevent escalation. In fact, as of this posting, they still haven't stopped the criminal acts. I don't know if I agree with that perspective, but an argument could be made that blacks were treated differently in that case.
True, but these guys came in with a plan, that involved a lot of guns. The moves of the agencies have been fine so far. No need to cause a small scale war. It could easily escalate into something else worse, and I think a lot of people miss that point. Let's say the cops start shooting, Oregon peeps shoot back, and then there is the possible retaliation of other groups around the nation. The Ferguson rioters made the mistake of not coming armed. Which of course is a good thing. They were treated differently, but let's say they were surrounded by armed black panther types, which has happened before, I doubt stuff would get too messy.
 
Your government does this all the time and you're fine with it. Do you believe the Iraqis and the Afghanis are happy we claimed their land with our bases? Setting up checkpoints in their countries?

Do you have outrage when that happens?

Wait, what? None of that has anything to do with that I posted.

Are you now claiming that the federal government took their land without due process? And the "they" in this is the people occupying, not some tangential-argument Afhganis.

These weren't difficult questions:

Do you think Bundy, et all, if they get their "land back" will allow me to use it? How about the rest of the state, or even county?
 
Police should be responsible for their actions. It shouldn't be a racial thing. While the ferguson shooting may have been legit, many other instances of cops killing are not. I get the reason for protests. I cannot approve of burning down the Quicky-Mart though.
kiting...you asked me to cite "ghe same thing"..I can't 'cause the "same thiung" seldom if ever happens twice. However, both these instances involved illegal actions in a public setting and a shooting death resulted........These white guys are still illegally on my land. And nothing is being done to remove them. Look at how the blacks were dealt with in Ferguson.
 
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Wait, what? None of that has anything to do with that I posted.

Are you now claiming that the federal government took their land without due process? And the "they" in this is the people occupying, not some tangential-argument Afhganis.

These weren't difficult questions:

Do you think Bundy, et all, if they get their "land back" will allow me to use it? How about the rest of the state, or even county?
Same situation, different reaction. It's called manipulated reaction mechanisms to certain situations.
 
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