OT: Schiano to Tennessee

[Eternal Return]

Totally respect your opinion. And I agree, how can any university hire a guy linked at all to Paterno/Sandusky? I wonder if there will be any outcry at Ohio State now that this issue has been revisited? What was Urban Meyer thinking?

It looks like the Tenn AD might get fired over this for not vetting Schiano.

I think the PSU football program should have been shut down for a few years; I don't think Penn State paid enough for this scandal. Lord, can you imagine being a Penn State fan and having to be constantly reminded of "Sandusky?"

Its amazing how "Sandusky" is causing damage now and probably will be causing damage for years to come.

I will sound stupid here but has there been a movie done yet? Remember the prosecutor that went missing and his laptop found in a lake? Was he ever found? There are so many things to this scandal.

You know, it's strange, but I never heard anything in the news about Meyer hiring Schiano. It didn't seem to have an effect on the news cycle. The only thing I can think on that level is that Schiano wasn't being made the head coach and Urban Meyer has a lot of respect in the college football world.

Honestly, the TENN AD should be fired over this. Not that that's fair, either, but he somehow failed to see this storm brewing. And Penn State not getting properly punished via sanctions has clearly led people around the country to hold that against Penn State even now--and probably well into the future. I vaguely remember SMU getting the death penalty and they've never really recovered which is what SHOULD happen. I don't even remember why they got the death penalty any more. I'd have to search for the reason online, but the point is that they were punished for so long, so completely, that the reasons why have dropped out of public consciousness. Penn State got penalized in a very minor way for a few years and they've already recovered in terms of competitiveness. Most of their fans deserve to suffer from this because they STILL believe Paterno is a saint and *maybe* Sandusky was innocent. If they had gotten the death penalty we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It would have been better for guys like Schiano if Penn State had gotten the death penalty (they didn't pay the one way so Schiano and Penn State fans are paying for it in another way).

On your last point, I don't know if there was a Sandusky movie. I think there have been a few documentaries, but not movies. Now that would really stir up the hornet's nest, making THAT movie. Surprised no one has done it. It'd be box office gold and it would further tarnish Penn State's reputation (which they deserve). I hope we see a movie. It has all of the drama points for a movie based on a true story. A HUGE story!

 

[Franisdaman]

You know, it's strange, but I never heard anything in the news about Meyer hiring Schiano. It didn't seem to have an effect on the news cycle. The only thing I can think on that level is that Schiano wasn't being made the head coach and Urban Meyer has a lot of respect in the college football world.

Honestly, the TENN AD should be fired over this. Not that that's fair, either, but he somehow failed to see this storm brewing. And Penn State not getting properly punished via sanctions has clearly led people around the country to hold that against Penn State even now--and probably well into the future. I vaguely remember SMU getting the death penalty and they've never really recovered which is what SHOULD happen. I don't even remember why they got the death penalty any more. I'd have to search for the reason online, but the point is that they were punished for so long, so completely, that the reasons why have dropped out of public consciousness. Penn State got penalized in a very minor way for a few years and they've already recovered in terms of competitiveness. Most of their fans deserve to suffer from this because they STILL believe Paterno is a saint and *maybe* Sandusky was innocent. If they had gotten the death penalty we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It would have been better for guys like Schiano if Penn State had gotten the death penalty (they didn't pay the one way so Schiano and Penn State fans are paying for it in another way).

On your last point, I don't know if there was a Sandusky movie. I think there have been a few documentaries, but not movies. Now that would really stir up the hornet's nest, making THAT movie. Surprised no one has done it. It'd be box office gold and it would further tarnish Penn State's reputation (which they deserve). I hope we see a movie. It has all of the drama points for a movie based on a true story. A HUGE story!

I agree that Penn State got off way too easy and Penn State and its fans are trying to re-write history on who knew what and who should be responsible.

Even if PSU had gotten the death penalty, Schiano will be forever linked to PSU (thanks to McQuery) and Tenn fans would have still rioted.

Did they ever put Paterno's statue back up? Did the NCAA give him back his wins?

Urban Meyer vetted Shiano and found no issues. Why weren't Ohio State fans marching in the streets, too? The Tenn AD vetted Schiano and same thing; he found no issues. So, should he really be fired? If so, should Urban Meyer be fired for his decision making, too?

I wonder if Schiano will ever be a head coach again. Heck, Bradley (now that the UCLA staff has been let go) may never coach again now that his ties to Sandusky have been brought up again

Makes you wonder though. Urban Meyer vetted Schiano before hiring him. Jim Mora of UCLA vetted Bradley before hiring him. So, why did they hire them with the alleged ties to Sandusky? Was the "evidence" just not there where it was not an issue in their hiring process?

I have heard a few people on ESPN radio go off on Tennessee, basically saying that it was a he said (McQuery) that he said (Bradley) that he said (Schiano). The ESPN guys said that if there was any evidence that Schiano saw something and did not report it (1) the prosecutors would have went after him and (2) in all of the civil law suits (where the burden of proof is much lower than a criminal case), why hasn't Schiano been sued by ANY ONE?

Just playing devil's advocate and trying to listen to all sides.

I think a movie would be a great idea, esp with that lawyer going missing. It would be another reminder that Paterno was told about Sandusky and all he did was pass the info to the AD.

 

[Eternal Return]

I agree that Penn State got off way too easy and Penn State and its fans are trying to re-write history on who knew what and who should be responsible.

Even if PSU had gotten the death penalty, Schiano will be forever linked to PSU (thanks to McQuery) and Tenn fans would have still rioted.

Did they ever put Paterno's statue back up? Did the NCAA give him back his wins?

Urban Meyer vetted Shiano and found no issues. Why weren't Ohio State fans marching in the streets, too? The Tenn AD vetted Schiano and same thing; he found no issues. So, should he really be fired? If so, should Urban Meyer be fired for his decision making, too?

I wonder if Schiano will ever be a head coach again. Heck, Bradley (now that the UCLA staff has been let go) may never coach again now that his ties to Sandusky have been brought up again

Makes you wonder though. Urban Meyer vetted Schiano before hiring him. Jim Mora of UCLA vetted Bradley before hiring him. So, why did they hire them with the alleged ties to Sandusky? Was the "evidence" just not there where it was not an issue in their hiring process?

I have heard a few people on ESPN radio go off on Tennessee, basically saying that it was a he said (McQuery) that he said (Bradley) that he said (Schiano). The ESPN guys said that if there was any evidence that Schiano saw something and did not report it (1) the prosecutors would have went after him and (2) in all of the civil law suits (where the burden of proof is much lower than a criminal case), why hasn't Schiano been sued by ANY ONE?

Just playing devil's advocate and trying to listen to all sides.

I think a movie would be a great idea, esp with that lawyer going missing. It would be another reminder that Paterno was told about Sandusky and all he did was pass the info to the AD.

It might just be the timing. Look at all the Hollywood, media, and D.C. sexual assault and molestation accusations, apologies, denials, etc. It's the zeitgeist of the times. In other words, nothing changed with Schiano at all, but the publicity and public culture has changed in a way that tolerance of anything related to sexual abuse is flat out gone. Might not be fair to the A.D. at Ten., but I guess he's finding out where people's attention is focused. He's learning now. We all are. Timing wise it seems weird as hell, but that's just sort of how history unfolds. I doubt anyone could see hippies coming in the early 60s, but add the Vietnam War to the mix, mandatory draft, and brand new television coverage of war, and VOILA! Anti-war protestors and hippies "tuning out" appear.

Same with social media now. It changes the landscape because now it isn't even traditional media fueling the fire; in fact, I'd say that the traditional media is following what becomes popular on social media. That's a big time shift and we're still just seeing the tip of the iceberg on that as far as I can tell. The next few years are going to be increasingly bizarre.

 

[Dauminator]

I'm not sure where to land on Schiano. On one hand, PoSU got off with basically no punishment when they deserved death. That's death as in, they should still not have a football team. That they get to play and have success is sickening. So anyone associated in any way with those people deserve absolutely nothing.

But the evidence against Schiano is spurious at best. And our legal system is supposed to be based on facts, and not driven by mob mentality. I don't know there's enough to label Schiano as one of the same crowd as the others.

 

[ichawk24]

Yahoo's Dan Wetzel has pursued the PSU story harder than any other journalist.

He claims there is no evidence that Schiano knew, and the TN reaction is mob anger.

https://sports.yahoo.com/tennessee-...-schianos-reputation-mob-anger-015951492.html

 

[42hawk]

No contract was signed they had an understanding of terms which is totally different.

Agreed without seeing the exact language it is hard to determine but I'm guessing this "documentation" will end up costing Tenn $10M or more..... Schiano team has all the cards on his side of the table. Interesting to see the outcome and we may never know what really happens. Wondering Tenn will "outsource" this to a private booster so they don't have to release as many details.....

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

Vols' fiasco shows danger of letting fans rule

By David Whitley, Orlando Sentinel

Dan Mullen has quickly won over Gator Nation, but imagine if he'd seen something awful more than 20 years ago.

Like at Wagner College, where he started out as a wide receiver coach. Imagine he saw another coach taking a boy into a shower, but he didn't tell anyone.

Imagine 25 years later, somebody said they were told that story by somebody else.

There was no follow-up. The whole thing was unverifiable hearsay.

Now imagine Mullen had been hired at Tennessee on Sunday.

He'd be out of a job.

The scenario is easy for Greg Schiano to imagine, since he was railroaded out Knoxville before he even arrived. He was guilty of a very tenuous connection to the Penn State scandal.

The mere words 'Penn State' carry guilt-by-association. But the actual evidence against Schiano is almost nonexistent.

That didn't matter to Tennessee fans. A social media rebellion broke out after word leaked that UT had an agreement with Schiano.

Within minutes, fans were literally storming the UT athletic palace. Tennessee

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Former Tampa Bay Coach Greg Schiano runs to midfield to shake hands with New Orleans Coach Sean Payton in 2013 at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome in New Orleans. Schiano was almost named the coach at the University of Tennessee on Sunday, but fan anger got the school to reconsider.

Tampa Bay Times


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officials came out from under their desks long enough to capitulate and rescind the offer to Schiano.

The mob had ruled.

A lot of observers are hailing the spectacle as the Arab Spring of sports.

You can almost hear the Beatles' singing 'You say you want a revolution,' as background music to their odes.

It certainly fits the prevailing national mood of believing all accusers and Little People standing up to The Establishment.

The Little People in this case are UT fans fed up with incompetent leaders, big-money boosters and the demise of the Vol Nation.

I'm all for fans having a voice in the process. The problem is their voice is often misinformed, emotionally driven or just plain dumb.

Or haven't you ever read an internet message board?

If every school caved to popular sentiment like Tennessee did Sunday, Clemson would have fired Dabo Swinney in 2010. Bobby Bowden would have been run out of West Virginia.

LSU would have canned Ed Orgeron after losing to Troy. Gus Malzahn would have been fired last month instead of leading Auburn into this week's SEC championship game.

That just starts the list, and few on it were guilty of anything worse than losing games. Schiano supposedly was guilty of covering up Jerry Sandusky's crimes.

It began when former Penn State assistant Mike McQueary was deposed in a 2015 lawsuit. He said another ex-Penn State assistant, Tom Bradley, told him he'd heard a Sandusky shower story from Schiano in the early 1990s.

That deposition was unsealed last year, and Schiano vehemently denied the accusation. Bradley testified under oath that he knew nothing about the child abuse before the Sandusky's behavior became public.

The scandal was scrupulously investigated and aggressively prosecuted by local, state, federal and private authorities. Schiano never was remotely implicated by any of them.

Athletics director John Currie said he thoroughly vetted Schiano. He knew the accusation was too flimsy to fly.

He also knew fans were more upset that Schiano wasn't Jon Gruden.

Currie knew all that, and he essentially fired a guy based on the demands of a mob that was fueled by a 25-yearold story told by someone who heard it from someone else who denied under oath that it ever happened.

I doubt any of the protesters would want themselves judged in a similar manner. But the fiasco is being acclaimed as the dawn of a new era of fan empowerment.

You say you want a revolution?

If Tennessee is any indication, be careful what you ask for.

 

[hawkssox1]

Vols' fiasco shows danger of letting fans rule

By David Whitley, Orlando Sentinel

Dan Mullen has quickly won over Gator Nation, but imagine if he'd seen something awful more than 20 years ago.

Like at Wagner College, where he started out as a wide receiver coach. Imagine he saw another coach taking a boy into a shower, but he didn't tell anyone.

Imagine 25 years later, somebody said they were told that story by somebody else.

There was no follow-up. The whole thing was unverifiable hearsay.

Now imagine Mullen had been hired at Tennessee on Sunday.

He'd be out of a job.

The scenario is easy for Greg Schiano to imagine, since he was railroaded out Knoxville before he even arrived. He was guilty of a very tenuous connection to the Penn State scandal.

The mere words 'Penn State' carry guilt-by-association. But the actual evidence against Schiano is almost nonexistent.

That didn't matter to Tennessee fans. A social media rebellion broke out after word leaked that UT had an agreement with Schiano.

Within minutes, fans were literally storming the UT athletic palace. Tennessee

► FOOTBALL, PAGE 4B

© 2017 The Gazette

Former Tampa Bay Coach Greg Schiano runs to midfield to shake hands with New Orleans Coach Sean Payton in 2013 at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome in New Orleans. Schiano was almost named the coach at the University of Tennessee on Sunday, but fan anger got the school to reconsider.

Tampa Bay Times


Football/ Victory for internet mob

► FROM PAGE 1B

officials came out from under their desks long enough to capitulate and rescind the offer to Schiano.

The mob had ruled.

A lot of observers are hailing the spectacle as the Arab Spring of sports.

You can almost hear the Beatles' singing 'You say you want a revolution,' as background music to their odes.

It certainly fits the prevailing national mood of believing all accusers and Little People standing up to The Establishment.

The Little People in this case are UT fans fed up with incompetent leaders, big-money boosters and the demise of the Vol Nation.

I'm all for fans having a voice in the process. The problem is their voice is often misinformed, emotionally driven or just plain dumb.

Or haven't you ever read an internet message board?

If every school caved to popular sentiment like Tennessee did Sunday, Clemson would have fired Dabo Swinney in 2010. Bobby Bowden would have been run out of West Virginia.

LSU would have canned Ed Orgeron after losing to Troy. Gus Malzahn would have been fired last month instead of leading Auburn into this week's SEC championship game.

That just starts the list, and few on it were guilty of anything worse than losing games. Schiano supposedly was guilty of covering up Jerry Sandusky's crimes.

It began when former Penn State assistant Mike McQueary was deposed in a 2015 lawsuit. He said another ex-Penn State assistant, Tom Bradley, told him he'd heard a Sandusky shower story from Schiano in the early 1990s.

That deposition was unsealed last year, and Schiano vehemently denied the accusation. Bradley testified under oath that he knew nothing about the child abuse before the Sandusky's behavior became public.

The scandal was scrupulously investigated and aggressively prosecuted by local, state, federal and private authorities. Schiano never was remotely implicated by any of them.

Athletics director John Currie said he thoroughly vetted Schiano. He knew the accusation was too flimsy to fly.

He also knew fans were more upset that Schiano wasn't Jon Gruden.

Currie knew all that, and he essentially fired a guy based on the demands of a mob that was fueled by a 25-yearold story told by someone who heard it from someone else who denied under oath that it ever happened.

I doubt any of the protesters would want themselves judged in a similar manner. But the fiasco is being acclaimed as the dawn of a new era of fan empowerment.

You say you want a revolution?

If Tennessee is any indication, be careful what you ask for.

Inmates are running the asylum.Their AD needs to be gone as well if he is letting the nut jobs that are on their web site run the show.God only knows we have plenty of them on this site.