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AZ: I'm thinking Okie will underperform the current individual rankings, as will we (sadly), and that PSU will walk away with the trophy again (and not relinquish it for the next 2-3 years). Hope I'm wrong, but don't think so. Also, I can see Cael pulling the RS from Hall if he thinks Hall in the mix will make or break bringing home the hardware. That team is stacked...

Maybe you're right NH, but OSU is usually ready for the tourney and normally overperform....John had his guys ready to go.
 
Minne and Okie

149-Collica over Stroker 6-4
157-Blaylock over Brolsma
165-Chandler Rodgers pins Kingsley in first period
174-Crutchmer over Wanzek 7-5; Crutchmer looked real susceptible
184-Boyd over Gable's big bro; 2-1 on riding time
197-PFarr with a Dec over Weigal
HWY-Kroells upset by Schaffer in a typical HWY match
125-Picc-uh-cheeni is currently up on whatever 125 Minne sent out there
This dual was much closer than I expected in the individual matches. Unfortunately for Minny, they lost all the close battles. They looked much better than I expected (or Okie looked worse).
 
Michigan State 31, Bloomsburg 12
133: #20/20/20 Austin Eicher (MSU) fall Matt Noble (BU) (1:30)
141: #9/14/20 Javier Gasca (MSU) major dec. Grant Bond (BU) (10-0)
149: Nicholas Trimble (MSU) dec. Nate Newberry (BU) (8-2)
157: Austin Thompson (MSU) dec. Brendon Colbert (BU) (7-5)
165: Drew Hughes (MSU) fall Reid Stanley (BU) (2:53)
174: Shane Shadaia (MSU) dec. Trevor Allard (BU) (2-1)
184: Kyle Murphy (BU) dec Wesley Maskill (MSU) (7-3)
197: Matthew Okaiye (MSU) fall Tyler Worthing (BU) (2:10)
285: Bruce Graeber (BU) dec. Jacob Cooper (MSU) (4-3)
125: Willy Girard (BU) fall Logan Griffin (MSU) (3:25)

Michigan State 24, Lock Haven 12
125: Mitch Rogaliner (MSU) dec. Jake Field (LHU) (8-5 (OT))
133: Austin Eicher (MSU) major dec. Joe Ghione (LHU) (8-0)
141: Javier Gasca (MSU) dec. Ronnie Perry (LHU) (9-7)
149: Nick Trimble (MSU) dec. Kyle Shoop (LHU) (4-3)
157: Austin Thompson (MSU) dec. Kyle Hammond (LHU) (8-2)
165: Drew Hughes (MSU) tech fall Jared Siegrist (LHU) (16-0 (4:30))
174: Tyler Wood (LHU) dec. Shane Shadaia (MSU) (6-1)
184: Shwan Shadaia (MSU) dec. Corey Hazel (LHU) (8-6 (OT))
197: Tristan Sponseller (LHU) major dec. Matthew Okaiye (MSU) (13-2)
285: Thomas Haines (LHU) tech fall Jacob Cooper (MSU) (15-0 (7:00))

When was the last time MSU won 2 matches over D1 schools in the same year?
 
When was the last time MSU won 2 matches over D1 schools in the same year?

Every season as far as I could go back. But, your slam still has significant merit as Minkle definitely saw the writing on the wall and weakened their schedule drastically since 2010, dropping out of Midlands and removing out of conference duals like OkState. He(and now Chandler) has since been going after the Bucknells and Bloomsburgs of the world.
 
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#8 Cornell 39, Hofstra 0
125: Noah Baughman (C) won by decision over Jacob Martin (H), 3-1
133: Mark Grey (C) won by decision over Vinny Vespa (H), 14-12
141: Will Koll (C) won by decision over Connor Burkert (H), 9-4
149: #19 Joey Galasso (C) won by decision over Ryan Burkert (H), 9-6
157: Taylor Simaz (C) won by decision over Jake Kaminsky (H), 5-2
165: #20 Brandon Womack (C) won by fall over Bobby Fehr (H), 3:50
174: #5 Brian Realbuto (C) won by technical fall over Sage Heller (H), 21-3
184: #1 Gabe Dean (C) won by fall over Mike Oxley (H), 0:33
197: Ben Honis (C) won by major decision over Nezar Haddad (H), 9-1
285: #19 Jeramy Sweany (C) won by decision over Omar Haddad (H), 6-2

#8 Cornell 28, #10 Rutgers 10
125: Noah Baughman (C) won by decision over Sean McCabe (R), 3-1
133: Mark Grey (C) won by decision over #13 Tyson Dippery (R), 6-3
141: #5 Anthony Ashnault (R) won by decision over Will Koll (C), 6-4
149: #10 Ken Theobold (R) won by decision over #19 Joey Galasso (C), 6-0
157: John Van Brill (R) won by major decision over Taylor Simaz (C), 8-0
165: #20 Brandon Womack (C) won by fall over Willie Scott (R), 4:24
174: #5 Brian Realbuto (C) won by decision over Philip Bakuckas (R), 4-2
184: #1 Gabe Dean (C) won by major decision over #13 Nicholas Gravina (R), 16-3
197: Ben Honis (C) won by major decision over Anthony Messner (R), 4-0
285: #19 Jeramy Sweany (C) won by fall over Razohnn Gross (R), 4:32
 
Ok. But I'm here to tell you there's basically no way the NCAA has already ruled on a medical. But he would be a shoo in...assuming a legit injury.
Ok. But I'm here to tell you there's basically no way the NCAA has already ruled on a medical. But he would be a shoo in...assuming a legit injury.

He wrestled at the UNK Holiday in tourney on the 19th. Then got hurt and got his redshirt back by the NCAA on a 3 day work week? Not saying he didn't but that may be a record for the NCAA.
 
Maybe you're right NH, but OSU is usually ready for the tourney and normally overperform....John had his guys ready to go.

I hope you're right, AZ. If our boys don't win, I'd rather OSU or tOSU take it vice PSU. Looking forward to these holiday tourneys (Cliff Keen-Vegas, Midlands and Reno TOC) to see how everyone looks against some quality opponents.
 
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So PSU is the only school capable and the rest under perform?

That's not what I'm stating at all, 255. I'm only saying that in my humble opinion Iowa and OSU will underperform, and in doing so will open the door for PSU to win it all. It's my "opinion" that OSU wrestlers will not live up to their current rankings (e.g., I don't think Heil will repeat as NCAA champ); Iowa will underperform as we have had a tendency to do in recent years (e.g., I don't think Clark will wrestle in the finals and I don't think Meyer will be an AA); and with PSU's horses, they will take home the hardware like they've done 5 of the last 6 years. Clearly Cael and company either have had the best teams or know how to get the best out of their wrestlers when it matters most (see final results over the last 6 years). And sadly, I don't see that changing in the next few years since all of PSU's real horses (those I predict we'll see in the quarters, semis and finals are freshmen, sophomores and Zain. Trust me, I'm a hardcore Iowa fan and would love to see them win it all, but until someone bursts PSU's bubble I won't be convinced that the outcome will be any different than it has been five of the last six years. All that said, I think there's a chance that tOSU could take the title as it's not hard imagining them taking the finals at 133, 174, and HWT, but I don't think they'll have the needed placings in the other weight classes to seal the deal. In closing, it's not about PSU being the only school capable, as I think there are four schools that are capable...but being "capable" doesn't win championships.
 
That's not what I'm stating at all, 255. I'm only saying that in my humble opinion Iowa and OSU will underperform, and in doing so will open the door for PSU to win it all. It's my "opinion" that OSU wrestlers will not live up to their current rankings (e.g., I don't think Heil will repeat as NCAA champ); Iowa will underperform as we have had a tendency to do in recent years (e.g., I don't think Clark will wrestle in the finals and I don't think Meyer will be an AA); and with PSU's horses, they will take home the hardware like they've done 5 of the last 6 years. Clearly Cael and company either have had the best teams or know how to get the best out of their wrestlers when it matters most (see final results over the last 6 years). And sadly, I don't see that changing in the next few years since all of PSU's real horses (those I predict we'll see in the quarters, semis and finals are freshmen, sophomores and Zain. Trust me, I'm a hardcore Iowa fan and would love to see them win it all, but until someone bursts PSU's bubble I won't be convinced that the outcome will be any different than it has been five of the last six years. All that said, I think there's a chance that tOSU could take the title as it's not hard imagining them taking the finals at 133, 174, and HWT, but I don't think they'll have the needed placings in the other weight classes to seal the deal. In closing, it's not about PSU being the only school capable, as I think there are four schools that are capable...but being "capable" doesn't win championships.

I get that. PSU was not bullet proof last year. 3 key injuries keep okie from the title. Happens but PSU is not unbeatable in any respect. That have strong fire power but with the exception of 149, not like they have had. Ranking be damned at this point. Look at the top 3 at each weight. With one exception, can you say PSU is really on another level? 3 final losses that may not win this year. Rutherford is on a high level. The others have a lot to do to win the title. PSU has about 3 to 4 legitimate finalist. Iowa has 3 to 4. tOSU has 3. Okie state has 3 to 4. (Don't ask me to list because that's silly)

It comes down to a lot of little things but to say in November everyone else WILL underachieve is very premature. No they have not had the tough luck typical in D1 but do you think that will last?

I respect you and your opinion. I just know that every year is different. Even if historically things look the same. At full strength, okie can win it all. Firing at all cylinders, the Hawks can as well. Okie will be top 2. 1 or 2 depends but they have the horses to do it. tOSU is the one team in this group that needs the stars to alight just right.

History and rankings and inside knowledge are worthless. To be an NCAA champ as a team or individual, you have to put 5 good days together no matter what. (Conference and nationals) Iowa, PSU and Okie state will be the top 3. The order is in question but you can't predict in November underachievement. Every year is different. One thing to think about is how will PSU respond if they have the turn of fate others have? After all the successs, will they respond differentlythan everytbody else.

My post was not an attack on you. If it seems that way sorry. It is a statement that the line of thinking that teams will fold in march because they did the last few years is folly. To win the title, PSU, as everyone, will have to be at their peak.

After 40 years in this sport I know one thing. The least expected thing happens, the unbeatable get beat and the historical "underachiever" get pissed and does something great.
 
Okie has 7 guys ranked in AA range right now if you buy in to rankings. 2 guys under that threshold beat AA ranked guys.

6AA's win it and/or get you in top 6.

They have 8 or 9 guys that can hit AA.

PSU has what, 5? 6?

Iowa has 7. (8?)

Seems pretty wide open to me. Yes, where they place and bonus has a lot to do with it. It is going to be a great season for wrestling fans.
 
I get that. PSU was not bullet proof last year. 3 key injuries keep okie from the title. Happens but PSU is not unbeatable in any respect. That have strong fire power but with the exception of 149, not like they have had. Ranking be damned at this point. Look at the top 3 at each weight. With one exception, can you say PSU is really on another level? 3 final losses that may not win this year. Rutherford is on a high level. The others have a lot to do to win the title. PSU has about 3 to 4 legitimate finalist. Iowa has 3 to 4. tOSU has 3. Okie state has 3 to 4. (Don't ask me to list because that's silly)

It comes down to a lot of little things but to say in November everyone else WILL underachieve is very premature. No they have not had the tough luck typical in D1 but do you think that will last?

I respect you and your opinion. I just know that every year is different. Even if historically things look the same. At full strength, okie can win it all. Firing at all cylinders, the Hawks can as well. Okie will be top 2. 1 or 2 depends but they have the horses to do it. tOSU is the one team in this group that needs the stars to alight just right.

History and rankings and inside knowledge are worthless. To be an NCAA champ as a team or individual, you have to put 5 good days together no matter what. (Conference and nationals) Iowa, PSU and Okie state will be the top 3. The order is in question but you can't predict in November underachievement. Every year is different. One thing to think about is how will PSU respond if they have the turn of fate others have? After all the successs, will they respond differentlythan everytbody else.

My post was not an attack on you. If it seems that way sorry. It is a statement that the line of thinking that teams will fold in march because they did the last few years is folly. To win the title, PSU, as everyone, will have to be at their peak.

After 40 years in this sport I know one thing. The least expected thing happens, the unbeatable get beat and the historical "underachiever" get pissed and does something great.

My friend: I didn't take it as an attack...just good discussion. And I don't disagree with what you're saying...not at all. I think that if OSU brings their best game in March they will be the victors. Like PSU, OSU has a lot of young, very impressive looking (in November) talent that if they can hold serve will take home the hardware. I just find it very hard to bet against PSU until they are dethroned, and I'm hoping that will be sooner vice later. :) For the first time in my 52 years, I'm going to the NCAAs, and I'm hopeful for great things from our Hawks. But if they can't win it, I want OSU or tOSU to take down Cael and company. Happy for Cael and what he's done at PSU, but I'm ready for the proverbial changing of the guard...and would like to see it start happening at the Reno Tournament of Champions. :)
 
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