Ummm that's anyone vs o Toole. I think you have a bad take on Levi.
O'Toole Over Haines
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Totally agree with the above. Nailed. It.
It's so early still. I think by big 10s, any concern may be limited to a single name, the meat between the buns.
Get it right , it's "trenning lab", extra points if you get the joke.
Lilledahl has had a couple close wins against good but not elite guys. At this point he's probably better at free than folk, but he's also gonna be tough to beat. Has a real good shot to AA and could possibly make a deep run at NCAAs.
Davis also very capable to AA, but also could take a couple close losses. Agree he is likely the biggest question mark in this respect.
Right now Barr looks the part of an AA. As of now it appears there are only a handful of guys that have a realistic shot of beating him.
Yeah, and no one else in college wrestling is a TD machine against O'Toole, either. Or against Haines, for that matter. LOL.
O'Toole made Haines offense look like Daton Fix. non existent. Bum
I bet our adversaries said some shit like that about Gable’s Hawks back in the day. I don’t want excuses I want results. And as long as we’re getting out-recruited like this PSU and - based on the 2025 class - OKIE will be hard to beat.
I can get the steroid whine, but stalling? Stalling? I think they lost three total individual bouts in matches and Bartlett lost to Mendez in the nwca all star classic but I haven't seen much stalling this year.
Didn’t LL also have a couple of close wins against not so good guys?? I get he is a monster in freestyle but I don’t c it in folk.. he’s getting taken down n looks beatable against non elites.. 125 is a very chaotic weight.. he’s my pick rn for PSU’s least likely to AA until we see how he looks against top 5 guys.
PSU had a lot of guys show they had the “it” factor or not when they were freshman
I just can’t stand that kind of talk. We’re getting beat just like we used to beat others…with outstanding talent, outstanding conditioning and great coaching. And of course the biggie the past several years has been recruiting. We’ve got to keep/start closing the gap.
History has shown their guys typically meet or exceed expectations.
This kid looks special. Wish he was wearing black and gold.
I agree, he is the real deal. How many points has PSU got out of 125 over the last decade though? It has been their "hole" for a long time and I hope that curse continues for them.This kid looks special. Wish he was wearing black and gold.
Since Cael took over in 9/10, Penn State has scored 88.5 points at 125 with 71.5 coming from Megaludis. By far, their worst weight.
In comparison, 125 is by far Iowa's best weight with 252 points since 9/10. Lee leading the way with 89.5 points.
SL will forever be intertwined in Caels story. At least a chapter, maybe more. By far the biggest miss. Home State generational talent choosing Cael’s biggest rival. The funny thing is Cael could continue to rattle off any number of consecutive titles, break Gable’s records, but the ghost of SL will always be present.
I’m not sure Hawk fans FULLY comprehend the impact and power SL has on Iowa wrestling and the history of NCAA wrestling in the time of Cael Sanderson.
There it is. It took 27 posts. What happened to the place I once knew?
Yeah these kids that are good a t freestyle let psu have them, you know the guys like Lilly, Blaze and others we don't want them they ain't no good at folk or have very little upside.
I think it's more likely LL is a finalist than not finishing on the podium.
That's the only way. unfortunately for other teams PSU's recent success is similar to Gable's. Legendary wrestler who can actually coach in a wrestling friendly area. And PSU basically gave Sanderson a clean slate to work with.
lol, the only thing more consistent than Iowa fans making fun of PSU for Juicing is....well PSU wrestlers Juicing.....
I do wish somebody, OkieSt, Iowa, Cornell, tOSU would step up and challenge them. At least a little.
How? I mean that with no snark. Right now, there is NO ROOM for another team to truly challenge. There isn't room for 2 teams at the level PSU is currently sitting. For someone to truly challenge they are going to have to start beating PSU in recruiting guys they are actually going after, which simply isn't happening any time soon, AND be able to get maximum NCAA Tourney performance while not getting beat in the transfer portal either.
This is why I go after the bickering Iowa fan contingent. Iowa isn't doing nearly as badly as the "whiners" here like to portray. It is truly just that PSU is doing that remarkably well in every single facet...
No coach with Cael’s success (currently 11 team and 34 individual titles, including two 4-timers and four 3-timers) and Gable’s record in sight is haunted by a lost recruit. If I recall, Spencer committed to Iowa before his senior year of HS, knowing Suriano was at PSU. What I do concede is that Spencer is the only reason the Lion’s current team title streak isn’t 8, and he’s our absolute best shot at Olympic 57kg gold in LA.
All very true, the nature of the sport allows this level of domination if the pieces are in place, just like it was for Iowa in 1975. Once that starts, it's impossible to stop it you just need for the thing to run it's course. I mean when Iowa started their run in 1975 did anyone think Gable and the program would have the level of success they had until Sanderson started at PSU?
Hawkthua - whatever you are swallowing. I don't want any of it
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