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swagsurfer02

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So I ordered pizza tonight, it was $21 and some change.

The delivery guy gets here and I give him a $50 dollar bill. He asked how much I wanted back.

I say $25. He then tells me that he only has a $20. I said to just give me the $20 and I guess keep the change. Essentially giving him an $8 tip.

I come asking, is this usual or did this cunning SOB really have change but was counting on me being generous?
 
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Did you tell them on the phone, or online, they needed to bring change for a 50? My drivers start with a 20 bank, and we try to drop every run.

The less you carry the less chance of losing a considerable amount (had a driver drop their wallet wit a hundred plus in it one night, it was f
ound but not fun searching ), and less chance of encouraging getting robbed in the future. I don't want my drivers walking around with gangster rolls, counting off change, and giving people ideas about how easy it would be to fake a delivery call and jump a driver.

I'd have given you your pizza put told you'd I'd have to come back with change.


Also know some places that won't take 50s or 100s because the drivers don't have counterfeit markers, or won't be able to use them correctly in the dark.
 
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I always have a stash of small bills in the house. That way you have $22 on hand for that $21 pizza, plus a handsome tip.
 
Did you tell them on the phone, or online, they needed to bring change for a 50? My drivers start with a 20 bank, and we try to drop every run.

The less you carry the less chance of losing a considerable amount (had a driver drop their wallet wit a hundred plus in it one night, it was f
ound but not fun searching ), and less chance of encouraging getting robbed in the future. I don't want my drivers walking around with gangster rolls, counting off change, and giving people ideas about how easy it would be to fake a delivery call and jump a driver.

I'd have given you your pizza put told you'd I'd have to come back with change.


Also know some places that won't take 50s or 100s because the drivers don't have counterfeit markers, or won't be able to use them correctly in the dark.


No, I didn't tell them I had a 50. Usually I just charge it, but had cash tonight.

Who's robbing anyone in Ankeny, I'm the only minority up here?!?
 
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i got screwed by hyvee tonight, i bought a pizza that was marked supreme but when i opened it at home to cook it it was a veggie.
 
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Too many things can go wrong with a delivery pizza:

1. The driver can be robbed on the way to your house.
2. The driver can rip you off like he did Swag.
3. The driver can get lost and be late with your pizza.
4. The driver can come back and vandalize your house
if he does not like the tip.

Bottom Line: Go to your local pizza place and order,
eat and enjoy your pizza in their restaurant.
 
How or why do you peeps get $50.00 or $100.00 bills? Machines don't spit those out? Banks will give em to you and they'll ask if I'm good with it.
You'd be amazed how often a person comes in as soon as the doors open, first customer in, and drops a 100 dollar bill on the counter. Not even asking if we can break it. I've even had them get upset at us when we give them a bunch of 10s and 5's because I've already been to the bank and have nothing bigger
 
I go get about 100 bucks in one dollar bills, and carry it with me when I travel and reload it as needed. As someone who spends about 250 days a year on the road, I'm tipping someone every single day. Sometimes, 10 bucks is just to much, and 7 is so much easier.
 
Too many things can go wrong with a delivery pizza:

1. The driver can be robbed on the way to your house.
2. The driver can rip you off like he did Swag.
3. The driver can get lost and be late with your pizza.
4. The driver can come back and vandalize your house
if he does not like the tip.

Bottom Line: Go to your local pizza place and order,
eat and enjoy your pizza in their restaurant.

"Hey, I have an order for pick-up"
 
Is there some rash of pizza delivery guy robberies that I'm unaware of? So much so where its normal for them to be carrying less than $20?
 
Is there some rash of pizza delivery guy robberies that I'm unaware of? So much so where its normal for them to be carrying less than $20?

So you'd knowingly increase the risk of your employee getting mugged unless there was a "rash" of robberies to other people? Since there aren't a lot of cheese grating accidents in the news I think I'll let my employees shred cheese without any of the safety guards in place.
 
So you'd knowingly increase the risk of your employee getting mugged unless there was a "rash" of robberies to other people? Since there aren't a lot of cheese grating accidents in the news I think I'll let my employees shred cheese without any of the safety guards in place.

You didn't answer my question. This isn't 1988 letting someone carry around $35 bucks doesn't seem like a high amount or someone to target for robbery.
 
So you'd knowingly increase the risk of your employee getting mugged unless there was a "rash" of robberies to other people? Since there aren't a lot of cheese grating accidents in the news I think I'll let my employees shred cheese without any of the safety guards in place.

If a business is that concerned about a delivery person being mugged, they shouldn't be offering the position in the first place. Or take extra precautions to avoid it. If they want to be in the business of sending drivers out for delivery, and they intend to charge money for their product, they need to be prepared to make change. Whether or not Swag is handing him a $50 bill or $20 bill is beside the point.

Speaking of which, the $50 bill is completely irrelevent. The issue is that the business (via the driver) was unprepared to make basic change. What happens if Swag hands him smaller bills, say two $20's or even a $20 and a $10. In all cases, the driver stated he only had a $20 and couldn't make change. In any event, the driver was either unprepared or screwing with Swag. The correct move for Swag at that point is to then say "Ok, I'm happy to pay with my debit/credit card" and then reduce his tip from 20% down to 15% or even 10% for him being such an unprepared douche.

Also, if the business is seriously that concerned about muggings, they should seriously consider a "no cash" policy and inform the customer at the time of placing the order that they will need to pay with plastic. Of course, the business and the driver don't want to do that so they can fudge on taxes, but that's on them not the patrons.
 
If a business is that concerned about a delivery person being mugged, they shouldn't be offering the position in the first place. Or take extra precautions to avoid it..

You mean like limiting the amount of money they carry?

I dont' have a problem with employees stealing out of the cash register either but that doesn't mean I don't have cameras, procedures, and do cash pulls and deposits throughout the day, to limit temptation.
There are times the drivers have more than 20 on them, it happens, but that doesn't mean their opening bag needs to be more than that. It's not a situation where you're worried every time a driver leaves the place he's going to get mugged, but that doesn't mean you ignore the possibility and let them carry a pocketful of cash when it's needless to do so. Also, as I mentioned before, drivers can't effectively use a counterfeit pen to check those bills. Don't see a lot of counterfeit bills anymore, but that doesn't mean businesses should stop checking for them when you have a viable option to do so.

There is simply no need for a driver to always have change for a 50 on them when all it takes is the customer to say "all I have is a 50, can you break that?". The place will either then tell you they don't take anything above a 20 or, like in my case, give the driver extra change for that run.
 
You mean like limiting the amount of money they carry?

I dont' have a problem with employees stealing out of the cash register either but that doesn't mean I don't have cameras, procedures, and do cash pulls and deposits throughout the day, to limit temptation.
There are times the drivers have more than 20 on them, it happens, but that doesn't mean their opening bag needs to be more than that. It's not a situation where you're worried every time a driver leaves the place he's going to get mugged, but that doesn't mean you ignore the possibility and let them carry a pocketful of cash when it's needless to do so. Also, as I mentioned before, drivers can't effectively use a counterfeit pen to check those bills. Don't see a lot of counterfeit bills anymore, but that doesn't mean businesses should stop checking for them when you have a viable option to do so.

There is simply no need for a driver to always have change for a 50 on them when all it takes is the customer to say "all I have is a 50, can you break that?". The place will either then tell you they don't take anything above a 20 or, like in my case, give the driver extra change for that run.


Re-read my post. You didn't address the point. Swag having a $50 did NOTHING to cause the situation. The driver couldn't break a $20.

Explain to me how a mugger is going to know if a driver can break a $50 or a $20, and how that is going to affect whether or not he's mugged. It's not. If they are concerned about the issue to the point drivers are truly in danger, than either don't send them out and force customers to pick up, or at least have a "credit only" policy and put that in bright fluorescent writing on the drivers shirt and van for the world to see. Otherwise he's at risk either way. See Jason Berrymen.

Even if he "only carries" $20 in change as you say, if he's making a run and drops off numerous pizzas and is getting $30/pop like Swags plus his initial money, he's carrying a big wad of cash in that same neighborhood anyway. No mugger is going to know exactly where he is with his deliveries and how much cash he has. All he's going to know is it's a delivery guy who has cash of some amount, period.

I could see your argument for a $100 bill. Or even a $50 for a $3 item. But a $50 on a service that costs greater than $20? Give me a break.

The counterfeit issue is completely bogus. Do you know what the most commonly counterfeited bill is? The $20. Either a business accepts US currency or it doesn't. And if they don't or don't accept something, they damn well better state so on the phone at the time of the order.
 
Re-read my post. You didn't address the point. Swag having a $50 did NOTHING to cause the situation. The driver couldn't break a $20.

Explain to me how a mugger is going to know if a driver can break a $50 or a $20, and how that is going to affect whether or not he's mugged. It's not. If they are concerned about the issue to the point drivers are truly in danger, than either don't send them out and force customers to pick up, or at least have a "credit only" policy and put that in bright fluorescent writing on the drivers shirt and van for the world to see. Otherwise he's at risk either way. See Jason Berrymen.

Even if he "only carries" $20 in change as you say, if he's making a run and drops off numerous pizzas and is getting $30/pop like Swags plus his initial money, he's carrying a big wad of cash in that same neighborhood anyway. No mugger is going to know exactly where he is with his deliveries and how much cash he has. All he's going to know is it's a delivery guy who has cash of some amount, period.

I could see your argument for a $100 bill. Or even a $50 for a $3 item. But a $50 on a service that costs greater than $20? Give me a break.

The counterfeit issue is completely bogus. Do you know what the most commonly counterfeited bill is? The $20. Either a business accepts US currency or it doesn't. And if they don't or don't accept something, they damn well better state so on the phone at the time of the order.

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Two things I hope posters learn from this thread.

1) Tell the pizza place when you order if you are going to pay with a big bill. Just like when you put $20.00 in your tank first thing in the morning and walk into the station with a $100.00? You might wish you had asked first.

2) Considering banks do ask if you want one hundred dollar bills or not, there must be many folks out there that just like showing a big bill when they spend.

Conclusion, yes it's not as awkward to spend a big bill these days as it once was (Thanks Obama o_O Bush, Trump?) Anyway, it might not be as awkward but there is still no guarantee it won't be a problem. Expecting a pizza delivery guy to carry lots of cash? Why not expect the gas station to take down it's bullet proof gas? Or every retail store on the planet to take down their cameras?

Swag...this isn't related to your tale, just an overview. The driver should have had change for a $20.00 and another poster was right, you could have had two twenties. Sounds like you caught him after some drops and his change was used up. He probably had oodles on him, maybe eighty bucks!!! You should have mugged him.
 
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Re-read my post. You didn't address the point. Swag having a $50 did NOTHING to cause the situation. The driver couldn't break a $20.

Explain to me how a mugger is going to know if a driver can break a $50 or a $20, and how that is going to affect whether or not he's mugged. It's not. If they are concerned about the issue to the point drivers are truly in danger, than either don't send them out and force customers to pick up, or at least have a "credit only" policy and put that in bright fluorescent writing on the drivers shirt and van for the world to see. Otherwise he's at risk either way. See Jason Berrymen.

Even if he "only carries" $20 in change as you say, if he's making a run and drops off numerous pizzas and is getting $30/pop like Swags plus his initial money, he's carrying a big wad of cash in that same neighborhood anyway. No mugger is going to know exactly where he is with his deliveries and how much cash he has. All he's going to know is it's a delivery guy who has cash of some amount, period.

I could see your argument for a $100 bill. Or even a $50 for a $3 item. But a $50 on a service that costs greater than $20? Give me a break.

The counterfeit issue is completely bogus. Do you know what the most commonly counterfeited bill is? The $20. Either a business accepts US currency or it doesn't. And if they don't or don't accept something, they damn well better state so on the phone at the time of the order.

And you're not reading my points.

How could the driver not break a 20 for swag? If swag had given him 2 20s instead of a 50 the driver had change.

Yes, drivers end up with more than 20 in their bags as they take runs. The idea is to LIMIT the amount of times of exposure. Earlier I mentioned that we try and do a drop on every run, to limit the chances of exposure. If you deliver to a place and pull out a gangster roll of cash you can give some people the idea that you carry that much cash all the times. They could, at a later date, set up a fake deliver address and mug a driver. This HAS happened. It's not a fiction account I'm making up. It's rare but you still take steps to limit exposure. You are right, no customer is going to know what a driver has at any time, that doesn't mean you should let him carry a pocketful at all times. I had a driver get rolled, I mean physically punched, for his 20 dollar start up bag. The person was caught a charged with assault. Could have been $100 dollars, could have 20, but the mugger was under the impression the driver would have more than he did.

Even if it's not theft, a driver has been known to "lose" their delivery wallet on occasion. I dont know about you but if I'm the business owner or that delivery driver I would rather come up with 20 in change than I would $50. Again, doesn't happen often but when it's an easily thing to take steps to prevent, you do it.

As for the counterfeit argument. Sure the 20 is the most counterfeited but which would you, as a business owner, rather get burned on. Taking a $50 and giving change on it, or taking a $20 and giving change on it? Again, rare, but why take un-needed risks?

As to your last point, we do accept it. I even take 100s on deliveries as long as the customer has an ounce of foresight to say, "hey, I've got a bill that's larger than your driver may have change for". How flipping hard is that to understand?

You're making arguments that are all needless if a person simply says "can you bring change for a 50?"
 
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According to OP, he only had a $20. I take that to mean one twenty dollar bill. If that is the case, he couldnt make change for a twenty and a ten or even a twenty and a five.
 
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