P-Mac: The Next Baer or...

[ObeseMuffins]

Some desire P-Mac to be the next Baer, but why can't he be the next White Ninja aka Aaron White? Check out this video (click over) of Patrick and DJ dunking during pre-game warmups, from that All-Star game. Who on this team has hops like him other than Cook?

Edit: As we all know we've lacked a dribble-drive guard these past few years and those have cut down our rim-runner alley-oops. With Toussaint coming in, I hope to see this flourish again with Cook (If he stays) and Patrick on the receiving end. *Sips Kool-Aid*

 

[Mathawks]

His shot is horrible, his 3 pt % is gonna drop like a rock in college just like his brothers. He'll be no baer in that sense.

 

[crHawkeye92]

His shot is horrible, his 3 pt % is gonna drop like a rock in college just like his brothers. He'll be no baer in that sense.

Does he have the same form as Connor? Connor's form is terrible and his shot is super flat. Hopefully he's able to work on that before next season.

 

[Mathawks]

Does he have the same form as Connor? Connor's form is terrible and his shot is super flat. Hopefully he's able to work on that before next season.

His shot is a lot uglier than connors. Gonna struggle big time.

 

[ObeseMuffins]

But what does he do well?

 

[CP84]

But what does he do well?

His shot will be fine but we don't need him to be a 3 point specialist.

He has better handles and more athleticism than Baer. Baer was not a good ball handler. Pat can attack the basket. White is probably a better comparison but still several differences. White was more of a banger down low. Pat is more finesse.

My comparison for Pat is Louis King at Oregon.

 

[HungryHawk]

His shot is a lot uglier than connors. Gonna struggle big time.

Starts really low and has a slow release. Almost like a slow Dom Uhl type of shot.

 

[BBHawk]

His shot is horrible, his 3 pt % is gonna drop like a burock in college just like his brothers. He'll be no baer in that sense.

Patrick worked on his shot before last season so that his arc is higher. As a result, he shot the 3 at >45%, and shot >58% overall, and averaged >25 pts/game Not bad for having a "horrible" shot. I really don't give a rat's ass about anyone's opinion about his shot with thise kind of stats.

 

[Mathawks]

Patrick worked on his shot before last season so that his arc is higher. As a result, he shot the 3 at >45%, and shot >58% overall, and averaged >25 pts/game Not bad for having a "horrible" shot. I really don't give a rat's ass about anyone's opinion about his shot with thise kind of stats.

Tell me what Connors 3 pt % was in high school and then tell me what his 3 pt % was this season. I'll wait.

 

[BBHawk]

Tell me what Connors 3 pt % was in high school and then tell me what his 3 pt % was this season. I'll wait.

What does that have do with what I said? You criticized his form and I responded to that. What he did prior to this year has nothing to do with that.

 

[CP84]

Pretty anecdotal evidence to compare Pat's projection because of his brother's limited sample size.

This is what you call an obtuse argument.

They're two entirely different players. Go ahead and start comparing Isaiah Moss to Tyler Cook while you're at it.

 

[hooper56]

Tell me what Connors 3 pt % was in high school and then tell me what his 3 pt % was this season. I'll wait.

While you are waiting, why not find a team you like and follow them? It is clear you hate the hawks. Let me be among the first to invite you to leave this board and find someplace where you are more comfortable.

 

[Mathawks]

What does that have do with what I said? You criticized his form and I responded to that. What he did prior to this year has nothing to do with that.

LOL, because connor shot greater than 40% from 3 in high school and you see how that worked out. And Patrick's shot is worse yet.

 

[IllQChawk]

Really, you're comparing a walk-on who worked hard to earn a scholarship and achieved what he did, to a player that is 2 inches taller and is a 4 star recruit that hasn't even seen the Carver floor yet.
I'm guessing Patrick will have at least the same stats and maybe be much better then the Baer cage, but it will all be determined on the court and not on the internet.

 

[hooper56]

I'll be the first to invite you to eat a big shit burger. It's very clear you don't like reality and only love your lips on frans ass.

No need for that kind of language. Are you 12?

 

[texashawkeye87]

Tell me what Connors 3 pt % was in high school and then tell me what his 3 pt % was this season. I'll wait.

You know, I really dislike when people want to make a point and don't have the decency to simply post why/link to their argument.

Since you're that type of person and clearly have some sort of issue with the McC boys (welcome to the board, btw), I found his SR year 3pt % -- 39/93, a clip just under 42%. For his varsity career -- 109/286 (38%)*
*see HERE for more stats

I have no clue how Patrick will do, but to basically write him off already is a bit ridiculous.

 

[Rudolph]

I struggle to understand how high-level basketball-playing kids of a high level college basketball coach have such poor shooting form.

I think Connor deserves recognition for signs of significant work on his shot, though. He made a few late in the year, but it’s not just that he made some—it’s that his arc is much improved.

 

[go-hawks37]

I hope Patrick is a stud and he starts at the 3 from day one. Move Joe to the 2. I hope he can defend the perimeter like Joe and rebound like Baer.

 

[BBHawk]

Apparently Mathawks is a jealous ex-girlfriend who is trying to dis the McCaffrey boys.

 

[BBHawk]

And here is a link to Patrick's high school stats by season. If anyone wants to see how he did in his earlier years, have at it. Keep in mind that he battled a serious illness early on. It is apparent to any intelligent person that he improved as he grew and got stronger. I anticipate that he will continue this in college.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Starts really low and has a slow release. Almost like a slow Dom Uhl type of shot.

Dom actually had some success with it his junior year. Problem was defenses figured out he couldn’t drive and finish and therefore they just stuffed his open 3 opportunities. Patrick’s strength is ability to handle the ball and drive. Hopefully that means he will get looks at the open 3 so that his low release doesn’t matter.

 

[IllQChawk]

I hope Patrick is a stud and he starts at the 3 from day one. Move Joe to the 2. I hope he can defend the perimeter like Joe and rebound like Baer.

That's really not a bad idea, but I doubt Fran will throw Patrick out there without some seasoning. I can see Patrick as a backup to Joe during this up coming season and then see how Patrick preforms before giving him additional playing time. We'll see.

 

[HungryHawk]

Dim actually had some success with it his junior year. Problem was defenses figured out he couldn’t drive and finish and therefore they just stuffed his open 3 opportunities. Patrick’s strength is ability to handle the ball and drive. Hopefully that means he will get looks at the open 3 so that his low release doesn’t matter.

I agree, I wasn’t trying to join the “Pat is gonna suck train” just making a comparison. At this point we have shooters to hit contested 3’s, that doesn’t have to be pats game, but it would be nice if he was a deep threat when left open, would help his game off the dribble even more.

 

[IllQChawk]

LOL, because connor shot greater than 40% from 3 in high school and you see how that worked out. And Patrick's shot is worse yet.

I lot of college players have unique shots that don't have the same form as the great Jerry West had. Look at Michigan State's all Big Ten player in Cassius Winston or Purdue's Ryan Cline. Both have their own shooting form and is in no way perfect, but they get the job done.
Just because a player might not have what is perceived great shooting form, shouldn't be a reason to rag on a player that hasn't even put on the uniform yet.
Which way do you install your toilet paper? Over or under. No matter I don't like how you do it!

 

[icwesthawk]

That Patrick and Connor are going to suck over their college career is much worse take and is highly questionable. But the idea Patrick is going to start at the 3 is almost as questionable. Putting too many expectations on young kids is almost worse than not believing in them at all. And it's clear that the people that don't believe in these kids are more out to get Fran than anything else.

 

[TheTruthTheWholeTruth]

LOL, because connor shot greater than 40% from 3 in high school and you see how that worked out. And Patrick's shot is worse yet.

So because Connon struggled shooting the 3 ball his first year that automatically means Patrick will too? That’s some faulty reasoning, bro.

 

[owenhawk]

But what does he do well?

I have seen him play in-person twice in high school. He does a lot of things well, I just don’t know if he’s great at any of them. I think a hybrid White/Baer is an apt comparison. He’s not going to do exactly what either did but I do thinks he can be a contributor in a lot of ways.

He’s not going to be Wieskamp, so anyone thinking that because of his recruiting ranking should temper expectations a little bit.

But he’s very skilled all-around. He is a very good ball-handler for a Forward of his height. He’s going to be able to take bigger Forwards off the dribble. Also, gmhrs a good and willing passer. He’s already got what Cook has been trying to as ball-handling Forward.

He’s also got great length and timing, which will help him with blocking shots and getting some steals. I think he will wreak havoc at the top of the press.

I’ve heard the full spectrum on his shooting for terrible to good and very improved. I don’t even remenber him shooting a 3 in either game I saw. However, he had a really nice touch in a few turnarounds and jumpers in the 10-15 ft range. It was soft and pure both times I saw him. Supposedlyo rcifvthe reason he won MVP in the all-star game last week us because he hit a couple of clutch 3’s.

I do think he needs to get stronger to utilize some of his skills - I know he has trouble putting on weight but he needs to at least add a little muscle/strength.

I doubt he is ever going to be a big-time scorer but that’s fine because I think he will be valuable in a lot of ways. I could see him being a 10-12 pt scorer over his career but adding 6 rebs, 3 assists, 2 steals, and a block per game.

 

[CanadaHawk]

I have seen him play in-person twice in high school. He does a lot of things well, I just don’t know if he’s great at any of them. I think a hybrid White/Baer is an apt comparison. He’s not going to do exactly what either did but I do thinks he can be a contributor in a lot of ways.

He’s not going to be Wieskamp, so anyone thinking that because of his recruiting ranking should temper expectations a little bit.

But he’s very skilled all-around. He is a very good ball-handler for a Forward of his height. He’s going to be able to take bigger Forwards off the dribble. Also, gmhrs a good and willing passer. He’s already got what Cook has been trying to as ball-handling Forward.

He’s also got great length and timing, which will help him with blocking shots and getting some steals. I think he will wreak havoc at the top of the press.

I’ve heard the full spectrum on his shooting for terrible to good and very improved. I don’t even remenber him shooting a 3 in either game I saw. However, he had a really nice touch in a few turnarounds and jumpers in the 10-15 ft range. It was soft and pure both times I saw him. Supposedlyo rcifvthe reason he won MVP in the all-star game last week us because he hit a couple of clutch 3’s.

I do think he needs to get stronger to utilize some of his skills - I know he has trouble putting on weight but he needs to at least add a little muscle/strength.

I doubt he is ever going to be a big-time scorer but that’s fine because I think he will be valuable in a lot of ways. I could see him being a 10-12 pt scorer over his career but adding 6 rebs, 3 assists, 2 steals, and a block per game.

In other words, PMac is a stat stuffer and could grow to be a turbo-charged Baer. Baer, by the way, barely shot from 3 as a HS post player. PMac shot 45.3% from 3 in his senior year. He’s grown to be a good 3-pt shooter. This also sounds like Baer.

 

[BBHawk]

FYI, couple of links to get an idea of what kind of skills Patrick brings.
Patrick's "flu" game:

Early season open gym: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/oth...ghlights-talks-everything-hawkeyes/vp-BBPIYwe

 

[perryhawk]

I'll be the first to invite you to eat a big shit burger. It's very clear you don't like reality and only love your lips on frans ass.

I've reported these posts because they have no place here....I suggest others do the same.

The button for reporting the post is in the bottom left hand corner of the post.

 

[VicHawkeye]

Middle Income Larry Bird. He will surprise and in a very good way. Jack of all trades like Baer but more talented.

 

[BBHawk]

One more note about Patrick. He has been around the team and playing pickup games with the current players at least since they arrived on campus, and earlier for some. His "mesh" time will be greatly reduced.

 

[HawkLogic]

Patrick worked on his shot before last season so that his arc is higher. As a result, he shot the 3 at >45%, and shot >58% overall, and averaged >25 pts/game Not bad for having a "horrible" shot. I really don't give a rat's ass about anyone's opinion about his shot with thise kind of stats.

Form and quick release does matter when you go from High School basically shooting Horse to being guarded by real athletes at college level.

He does have an unusually low start point on his jumper from what I have seen on clips. Kind of reminds me of that NW forward John Shurna from 2010 era---that guy was effective at college level.

 

[Mathawks]

I've reported these posts because they have no place here....I suggest others do the same.

The button for reporting the post is in the bottom left hand corner of the post.

 

[BBHawk]

Form and quick release does matter when you go from High School basically shooting Horse to being guarded by real athletes at college level.

He does have an unusually low start point on his jumper from what I have seen on clips. Kind of reminds me of that NW forward John Shurna from 2010 era---that guy was effective at college level.

Check out his videos from this year - it looks like his release point is much higher now. He starts the shot around his chin but releases it above his head. As he gets stronger, it should get better.

 

[CP84]

He shot 36% for 3 in the Adidas Gauntlet with D1 Minnesota.

I would expect that to be comparable to his Iowa stats as he would have been facing predominantly high quality d1 prospects in that circuit.

 

[BBHawk]

He shot 36% for 3 in the Adidas Gauntlet with D1 Minnesota.

I would expect that to be comparable to his Iowa stats as he would have been facing predominantly high quality d1 prospects in that circuit.

That would be more than acceptable for a freshman in the B1G.

 

[HaydenHawk8]

I’ve got a friend who has officiated Iowa high school basketball for 20+ years. He said that PM is a nice player, but will struggle in college. He did say by his Junior/Senior year will probably be a good player, but he isn’t going to set the world on fire. He said he is nowhere near the player Gatens was (spare me their different type). He said PM strength and quickness are two areas of concern. He thinks he could use a redshirt year. Said he’s a tweener at the next level (not a post or a wing) This is one mans opinion so don’t shoot me.

He had the CF vs IC West game and said the football player heading to Iowa looked more div 1 ready than PM.

I hope he can gain weight and be a stretch 4 at some point. I just don’t see him as a 3. Pretty tough to be a wing at 6-9.

 

[CP84]

That would be more than acceptable for a freshman in the B1G.

I agree, especially since that's not his primary skill. He's a mid range player. Baer was a 3 and D guy.

PMac also largely outplayed Wisconsin recruit Tyler Wahl while with D1 Minnesota.

 

[CP84]

I’ve got a friend who has officiated Iowa high school basketball for 20+ years. He said that PM is a nice player, but will struggle in college. He did say by his Junior/Senior year will probably be a good player, but he isn’t going to set the world on fire. He said he is nowhere near the player Gatens was (spare me their different type). He said PM strength and quickness are two areas of concern. He thinks he could use a redshirt year. Said he’s a tweener at the next level (not a post or a wing) This is one mans opinion so don’t shoot me.

He had the CF vs IC West game and said the football player heading to Iowa looked more div 1 ready than PM.

I hope he can gain weight and be a stretch 4 at some point. I just don’t see him as a 3. Pretty tough to be a wing at 6-9.

I'll take the advice of multiple recruiting services that have him in the top 100 plus his aau coach over an Iowa high school ref.