Player in....player out?

[mtdew_fever]

We saw it with CJ Fredrick coming in a a returning starter transfering out because he knew he would lose minutes.

Now with big time recruit Xavier Foster coming in next year and command major minutes right away, which current player will see it and transfer?

 

[Ballhawk1221]

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

 

[Hawk-Fran1]

Their is no doubt that when I was reading that IM transferred because of Frederick I was skeptical. But after seeing the first two games I 100percent believe he left because of Fredericks. I think Jack Nunge will leave if Iowa gets Foster.

 

[IAHawk2011]

There is literally a zero percent chance that Moss transferred because he was worried about losing minutes to CJ Fredrick.

 

[CP84]

Kriener will be gone next year and Garza and Pemsl the year after. Plenty of minutes to go around.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

There is literally a zero percent chance that Moss transferred because he was worried about losing minutes to CJ Fredrick.

Not sure of such certainty. Could be right. I think Isaiah was looking for some assurances from the coach about more minutes and, with CJ, I'm thinking such guarantees were not forthcoming. Although I'm also thinking there were off court issues.

Not bad off court issues....do not want the rumor going around. He spent four years at Iowa. Graduated on time. All the kids he came in with were gone, which means the kids with whom he went through recruiting, his RS year, etc..., probably his closest teammates were no longer around. This class with TC/Jordan/Cordell/Ryan always seemed pretty tight-not cliquey per se but more like you'd expect a large group of kids that got recruited together and, with the three Iowa kids, played AAU together. Why not shake things up for that final season. Young men are known for some wanderlust.

Isaiah did everything the U of Iowa asked of him. Came from a terrible HS with academic problems, graduated in 4 years and got admitted to graduate school at two respectable, of sorts, big universities. The kid is an Iowa success story.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Moss was a great Hawk while here. He started then got benched the rest of the half in some games. I truly think he was looking for more minutes and he got that opportunity at a blue blood. Good for him.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

You think Simeon and Lincoln Way are horrible schools?

 

[BBHawk]

Moss was a great Hawk while here. He started then got benched the rest of the half in some games. I truly think he was looking for more minutes and he got that opportunity at a blue blood. Good for him.

Good teammate, good player, but not great. Moss had his moments of extremely good play but he disappeared far more. I was sad to see him go, but he was destined to be a role player whether he stayed or left.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Good teammate, good player, but not great. Moss had his moments of extremely good play but he disappeared far more. I was sad to see him go, but he was destined to be a role player whether he stayed or left.

Sorry, I was meaning great to the things you mentioned. He was inconsistent for sure.

 

[TCOOL]

I think Jack Nunge will leave if Iowa gets Foster.

Only if he wants to burn a year of eligibility sitting out and only have one year left to play.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Moss was an enigma. Lots of talent but looked disinterested at times. Handles were mediocre when he arrived and never improved. Couldn't take anybody off the bounce, never developed a pull up and was a liability against ball pressure thus he lost minutes to Connor late in games. Appreciate his contributions and wish him the best at KU but think CJ is already an upgrade on both ends.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

You think Simeon and Lincoln Way are horrible schools?

Simeon has 11% proficiency in reading and 6% in math so, yeah, I'd say that was a very poor school. If its the Lincoln Way I think, and it may not be, not sure, that school is 7,372 in math and reading proficiency. So, yeah, not a good school either.

Not a reflection on the quality of the kids. No one tries to teach them.

 

[mtown66]

You think Simeon and Lincoln Way are horrible schools?

I lived in the village of Frankfort for close to 30 years. In one article that I read, it claimed that Isaiah's family lived in Frankfort at one time while other articles said his hometown was New Lenox. Together, along with Mokena and Manhattan and some unincorporated areas, they are the Lincolnway School District. I never heard of Isaiah Moss until he was recruited to Iowa as a Simeon student. There is a huge difference between Simeon and Lincolnway and I can not understand anyone moving from Frankfort to Chicago's southside and it is far too far to live in Frankfort and commute to Simeon. Frankfort is a place where Chicago's wealthy can live without the crime of the city and without the high costs of the northside of Chicago, but it is still very expensive.

 

[mtown66]

Simeon has 11% proficiency in reading and 6% in math so, yeah, I'd say that was a very poor school. If its the Lincoln Way I think, and it may not be, not sure, that school is 7,372 in math and reading proficiency. So, yeah, not a good school either.

Not a reflection on the quality of the kids. No one tries to teach them.

You may want to check your sources. Realtors in the Lincolnway area use the schools as a selling point.
https://www.niche.com/k12/d/lincoln-way-community-high-school-district-no-210-il/rankings/

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

You may want to check your sources. Realtors in the Lincolnway area use the schools as a selling point.
https://www.niche.com/k12/d/lincoln-way-community-high-school-district-no-210-il/rankings/

You're right, I had the wrong Lincoln Way. That Lincoln Way is like 2300 something, which is pretty decent given the many thousands of HS. Are you saying Isaiah went from that Lincoln Way to Simeon? Wow, that's some bad parenting if that's true.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

The first thing I thought of when Moss announced was that CJF may be worth the hype. Isaiah got torched in practice everyday... You can't more writing on the wall than that.

There is literally a zero percent chance that Moss transferred because he was worried about losing minutes to CJ Fredrick.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

It is interesting how many players Fran has recruited that seem to lack confidence. Moss, Kriener, Uhl, Dailey and Williams come to mind. One could say that all these players are more athletic than JBo, but JBo has supreme confidence in himself and that is one of those intangibles that you either have or don't. Garza is the same along with Wieskamp and it appears CJ and JT.

It will be interesting to see how having players with more self-confidence translates to the court. Can Iowa punch back when they get hit with 10-0 runs and can they finish games more effectively simply by having more players who believe in themselves?

 

[Ballhawk1221]

We saw it with CJ Fredrick coming in a a returning starter transfering out because he knew he would lose minutes.

Now with big time recruit Xavier Foster coming in next year and command major minutes right away, which current player will see it and transfer?

Feel free to delete this thread at any time.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I have no idea why Moss chose to make the move, but it wouldn't surprise me if he had just had enough of Fran at that point.

As for a big transferring, well that could still happen. But as we have just gotten the news about his choice it probably won't have anything to do with Foster.

 

[Rifler]

I believe Moss transferred because he only had one last season to make a splash, and for whatever reason he didn't feel he was going to be able to do that at Iowa,.... I hope he has a great year with the Jayhawks, even though they are a team that I despise...

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I have no idea why Moss chose to make the move, but it wouldn't surprise me if he had just had enough of Fran at that point.

As for a big transferring, well that could still happen. But as we have just gotten the news about his choice it probably won't have anything to do with Foster.

That was one strange relationship. Fran talking Moss up every week as being unstoppable in practice then having to consistently build his confidence up and tell him to keep shooting. Whatever confidence Fran was trying to build seemed to apply only to first halves as he had no problem parking him on the bench from about the 12 minute mark on. IMO, Moss is a bit delusional about his skills. If he wants to play in the league that badly then work on your handles and be more than a ultra-streaky spot-up shooter. Little / no value when he wasn't scoring.

 

[mtown66]

You're right, I had the wrong Lincoln Way. That Lincoln Way is like 2300 something, which is pretty decent given the many thousands of HS. Are you saying Isaiah went from that Lincoln Way to Simeon? Wow, that's some bad parenting if that's true.

I don't think Moss ever attended high school, or even middle school in the Lincolnway area. I don't believe that he even lived in Frankfort or even New Lenox. The schools in Lincolnway are, or were, football and soccer schools, not so much regarding basketball. So, if they did live in the Lincolnway area they probably moved to go to Simeon because of all the great basketball talent that has gone to Simeon and were more interested in that than academics.