Right, I was trying to understand why/where/how you developed that opinion. Generally, people have a reason or basis to form an opinion as opposed to having one out of nowhere.
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Right, I was trying to understand why/where/how you developed that opinion. Generally, people have a reason or basis to form an opinion as opposed to having one out of nowhere.
And unfortunately, I doubt it makes much long term difference. Americans overall are stupid and have a short memory, especially when it comes to politics. Hell, the abomination that was GW Bush didn't ruin the GOP for more that a couple cycles. And now they have doubled down on stupidity and corruption.
This is fantastic. Essentially, he's basically any other Republican - besides minor things like the trade wars/tariffs, national emergencies to move money around - so that's OK. But what you love about him is the behavior that everyone else finds reprehensible and deplorable.
It's really not about "damage", it's about change. The GOP has changed many times over, as have the Dems. Speaking on to the GOP (since that's the thread), Reagan's GOP was different than Nixon's. After Bush lost in 1992, it drove the further hitching of the religious right with fiscal conservatives and we got the 1994 mid-term snap-back against Clinton and the balanced budget work.
We'll never know what W would have been without 9/11, but that day fundamentally changed the path of his Presidency and the focus became war. Then Obama's win and the Great Recession set the stage for the Tea Party and then some of that has morphed into where we are today.
There will be more change. The question is where do we go and is there going to be room for the people more in middle that have been left behind. To an earlier poster's comment, as the 2 parties pull apart, eventually something gives and pulls something back.....or something new will grow in the gap. We'll see what happens.
If Trump fvcks with a lot of the social issues to make this a more puritanical, ultra right wing nutjob society, then yes people will remember Trump.
Nope I do it for the love of the game. But I would take their money if they are offering. Hell I might even tout Trump for the right price.
Honestly, possibly the greatest What If of modern American politics. People forget how narrow the 2000 election was and, overall I tend to think that both parties handled the aftermath of that election about as well as possible. I can't imagine how either party/candidate would have reacted in 2016 if the Florida/hanging Chads happened then.
“If” ??????
he only has a few months left.
if people feel bad about their economic lives they will vote for change, any change. They will not give a damn about gender assignments or the right to shit in any restroom they want.
There are other far bigger issues Trump's been trying to fvck with by loading up the courts with right wing nutjob judges. These are issues that can be in serious peril if the idiotic Trump supporters have their way.
Didn’t the boomers grow up as JFK, hippie, liberals too, only to become the base of the GOP today?
There’s always going to be an opposition party in America. Today the Ds basic message is government can solve problems and that necessarily costs money. So voters who don’t have many problems or don’t care about those who do or simply don’t want to pay for anything will have to vote GOP. There’s no where else for them to go. I don’t see conservatives becoming liberals just because they don’t like Trump.
Oh well I am sure somebody who is facing economic crisis because of the economy will consider that.
jfc where do you people come from? Mars?
Historically, young people have voted for the Dems at around a 55% clip, and over time, some convert to voting Republican.
But young people are voting for the Dems at around a 70% clip right now. So even if the Dems lose the same percentage over time to the Republicans, they are up so heavily with this generation that they should still have the majority even as these young kids become old farts.
Also, keep in mind that the voting patterns become more or less solidified after someone votes for the same party in multiple elections. And this solidification seems to last over a lifetime.
Young people will have gone through at least 3 elections with Trump after the 2020 election. And they will likely wind up voting with the Dems all 3 times at that same 70% clip.
If this gets solidified, Rs are in big trouble in the future.
Young people get jobs and have withholding taken out. That is when reality sets in. Then they get a house and have taxes taken out. Then they realize that they had more free spending money in college, than they do now. To get that car, to take those vacations, they have to give up going to the bars, going out to eat willy nilly and buying lattes. Becoming an adult is a bitch.
Depends on how much damage the “woke” left does.
If the Dems keep veering to the left the Orange turd won’t do lasting damage
If the Dems keep veering to the left the Orange turd won’t do lasting damage
I know this is ancedotal, but I teach at a high school in a suburb that leans R. The vast majority of students think Trump is an idiotic tool. If they continue to associate the Republican party with Trump, the Republican party is in trouble.
Meaning they go through life always voting for higher taxes no matter what other life experiences they have ?
The Nixon hangover last 4 years of Carter.
attention spans and memory are even worse in the digital age.
The Republican Party definitely didn't want Trump, but they literally had no choice once he decided to run. I speak from personal experience- when it came to election day, I held my nose and prayed, because Hillary was absolutely impossible to accept, so Trump it was.
As crazy as it sounds, in alot of ways Trump is blowing up the swamp. And he's pretty much the perfect guy to do it because he's so arrogant. Noone else could disrupt BOTH pathetic parties simultaneously.
Politics with our two party system is a pendulum. People who aren't hardcore "stick with the party no matter what" types think, hey, these people in power suck. Maybe if I vote for the other party, they will suck less. Then the other party gets power and the whole thing reverses. We need more options who are reasonable decent people who aren't polarized. How do we break up the two party system?
The Republicans had what? 16 candidates to choose from in the primaries? Your argument holds no water.
The rest is laughable so I'll stop there.
actually he nailed it. the old school republicans like the bushes wanted no part of trump. the dems would do good to totally blow off all these current clowns and elect somebody wildly out of the ordinary. like tulsi maybe. it's awesome. we had enough of bob dole and McCain and romney. you guys will soon have enough of sanders and Clinton and biden. you shall see. this is probably why AOC is rising. she's way, way out of the ordinary. outside the box.
Meh...
I’m doing better under Trump and will get hit hard under any Dem plan. But I’d readily give it up to get that miserable POS out of office.
honestly there is nothing miserable about him. he's positive. you are just told he's miserable. and you believe it.
What don't you understand? Both parties are incompetent and inbred.
But maybe you're ok with that
The Republican Party deserved to be outlawed after the Iraq War and the GOP Recession of 2008. The party of war criminals and crooks.
How can they be hurt by anything or anyone if that didn't consign them to the dustbin of history?
bushes= leftists dems. this is why we got sick of them . we basically did outlaw them and got trump
On one hand, I see what you mean. It is a nice shake up to throw off the traditional establishment. The traditional establishment didn't want him and did everything they could to prevent him from winning the primaries, yet he did. After winning, he has just gotten the Republicans to temporarily suck up to him and tow the party line, despite his ridiculous behavior. I am talking about a true third party, or I know this is wishing way too much, but independents who have integrity and aren't beholden to a party.
I understand everything. You claiming Republicans had no other choice but Trump is demonstrably false.
And even if you're sick of your party, you don't turn it over to the narcissistic conman with severely limited cognitive abilities.
this is reasonable. I think people like ron Paul and maybe Lieberman realize they can still be independent yet be close to the parties
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