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POLL: Mayor Jesus?

Nov 28, 2010
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Suppose the people of Jerusalem elected Jesus to be their mayor, would he have accepted the job? Should good Christians be government officials?

IIRC, Jesus submitted to government and said others should do the same, but never showed any liking for it nor encouraged anyone to become part of government.
 
I think Jesus would be the perfect Israeli choice.

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Are you talking about a write-in candidate? Because, I don't think he would run.
 
Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:
Did you watch AD last night? They sort of touched on this subject.
What is AD, and what did they have to say about it?
It's a TV series that started last night made by the same people that produced the Bible series. It started last night with the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus. It showed the Sanhedrin and the Jewish elders as being concerned with Jesus's political impact on the population. The Jewish authorities were concerned that Jesus wanted to insight revolt which would lead Rome to crack down on the Jews. They framed killing Jesus as politically smart to keep Rome relaxed and allow Jews to be free in their religion. They also touched on the mechanism for becoming high priest which was apparently an elected position that lasted for a limited time. Better acting and production values than that Dovekeeper religious show IMO.
 
Jesus was a carpenter. Just imagine all the sweet construction projects he could have funneled to his own company as mayor.
 
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:
Did you watch AD last night? They sort of touched on this subject.
What is AD, and what did they have to say about it?
It's a TV series that started last night made by the same people that produced the Bible series. It started last night with the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus. It showed the Sanhedrin and the Jewish elders as being concerned with Jesus's political impact on the population. The Jewish authorities were concerned that Jesus wanted to insight revolt which would lead Rome to crack down on the Jews. They framed killing Jesus as politically smart to keep Rome relaxed and allow Jews to be free in their religion. They also touched on the mechanism for becoming high priest which was apparently an elected position that lasted for a limited time. Better acting and production values than that Dovekeeper religious show IMO.
Thanks.

As one nonbeliever to another, why the fascination with religion and Christianity? I find it interesting, too, but you seem even more attracted to it. I'd be curious to know your reasons, if you are willing to share.
 
Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:


As one nonbeliever to another, why the fascination with religion and Christianity? I find it interesting, too, but you seem even more attracted to it. I'd be curious to know your reasons, if you are willing to share.
Considering your handle and the litter of religious posts you have started, I would say you and Natural are on equal footing relative to your passion and curiosity.

You guys are the types that if converted, would start a really wild Cult.
 
Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:
Did you watch AD last night? They sort of touched on this subject.
What is AD, and what did they have to say about it?
It's a TV series that started last night made by the same people that produced the Bible series. It started last night with the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus. It showed the Sanhedrin and the Jewish elders as being concerned with Jesus's political impact on the population. The Jewish authorities were concerned that Jesus wanted to insight revolt which would lead Rome to crack down on the Jews. They framed killing Jesus as politically smart to keep Rome relaxed and allow Jews to be free in their religion. They also touched on the mechanism for becoming high priest which was apparently an elected position that lasted for a limited time. Better acting and production values than that Dovekeeper religious show IMO.
Thanks.

As one nonbeliever to another, why the fascination with religion and Christianity? I find it interesting, too, but you seem even more attracted to it. I'd be curious to know your reasons, if you are willing to share.
I've always liked ancient history, mythology and philosophy. I like period dramas. These religious shows combine all that. And while I'm not religious, part of me wishes I was. I think the religious have it easier. Finally I figure if I'm going to be critical of a thing so many hold sacred, I ought to know it reasonably well.

One last reason may be that in normal conversation, religion isn't something I get to discuss much. I have regular conversations about politics or sex or football, but almost never about spiritual beliefs where it's appropriate to challenge and dissect those concepts.
This post was edited on 4/6 11:01 AM by naturalmwa
 
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:
Did you watch AD last night? They sort of touched on this subject.
What is AD, and what did they have to say about it?
It's a TV series that started last night made by the same people that produced the Bible series. It started last night with the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus. It showed the Sanhedrin and the Jewish elders as being concerned with Jesus's political impact on the population. The Jewish authorities were concerned that Jesus wanted to insight revolt which would lead Rome to crack down on the Jews. They framed killing Jesus as politically smart to keep Rome relaxed and allow Jews to be free in their religion. They also touched on the mechanism for becoming high priest which was apparently an elected position that lasted for a limited time. Better acting and production values than that Dovekeeper religious show IMO.
Thanks.

As one nonbeliever to another, why the fascination with religion and Christianity? I find it interesting, too, but you seem even more attracted to it. I'd be curious to know your reasons, if you are willing to share.
I've always like ancient history, mythology and philosophy. I like period dramas. These religious shows combine all that. And while I'm not religious, part of me wishes I was. I think the religious have it easier. Finally I figure if I'm going to be critical of a thing so many hold sacred, I ought to know it reasonably well.
Fair enough.

Never fear, if God wanted you to believe in Him, He knows exactly what He could do to convince you and it would be trivial for Him to arrange it. So either He doesn't exist, or He doesn't care if you believe.

Did you catch the first episode of Wolf Hall (about Cromwell, Thomas Moore and Henry VIII)? Very promising, so far.
 
Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:
Did you watch AD last night? They sort of touched on this subject.
What is AD, and what did they have to say about it?
It's a TV series that started last night made by the same people that produced the Bible series. It started last night with the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus. It showed the Sanhedrin and the Jewish elders as being concerned with Jesus's political impact on the population. The Jewish authorities were concerned that Jesus wanted to insight revolt which would lead Rome to crack down on the Jews. They framed killing Jesus as politically smart to keep Rome relaxed and allow Jews to be free in their religion. They also touched on the mechanism for becoming high priest which was apparently an elected position that lasted for a limited time. Better acting and production values than that Dovekeeper religious show IMO.
Thanks.

As one nonbeliever to another, why the fascination with religion and Christianity? I find it interesting, too, but you seem even more attracted to it. I'd be curious to know your reasons, if you are willing to share.
I've always like ancient history, mythology and philosophy. I like period dramas. These religious shows combine all that. And while I'm not religious, part of me wishes I was. I think the religious have it easier. Finally I figure if I'm going to be critical of a thing so many hold sacred, I ought to know it reasonably well.
Fair enough.

Never fear, if God wanted you to believe in Him, He knows exactly what He could do to convince you and it would be trivial for Him to arrange it. So either He doesn't exist, or He doesn't care if you believe.

Did you catch the first episode of Wolf Hall (about Cromwell, Thomas Moore and Henry VIII)? Very promising, so far.
I agree.

No I missed it. I'm sort of horrible at watching TV live, preferring to watch it online or on demand when I can binge a season.
 
Originally posted by strummingram:
Non-believers sure seem preoccupied with religious figures these days.
It is the season, this time of year America is awash with religion.
 
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Non-believers sure seem preoccupied with religious figures these days.
It is the season, this time of year America is awash with religion.
Ummm, this goes on year-round. America is awash with religion every second of every day. Religion is not God, in my opinion. I think Religion is human's way of trying to get in touch with God, in a group sense. For some reason people have this compulsion to humanize God. They like to think on behalf of God. Thereby, if it is illogical to us, the human being, then it certainly is illogical to God. "If there were a God, why is there_______?" is a very humanistic approach. Which, being human, it's difficult to approach any other way. But, that doesn't stop some of us from succeeding in other ways. I've never come across a true atheist in my life... ever. The atheists I encounter are just complex-thinking people who's logic and literal perception of consciousness has blocked their ability to experience what is beyond matter and flesh and bone.


I can usually give WWJD credit for attempting something creative in these polls. But, the compulsion to basically troll the simpler-minded religious posters is just that- trolling. Not to mention, in this case, another experiment in futility. It's just interesting to me that people who insist that God and religious figures are total fiction, engage their minds and discussion in that subject matter as much, or more, than those who embrace it as fact. What it reveals to me is a chink in their armor. It's basically an admission of "I don't really know if there's a God, but I think devout religious people are always wrong, so I'm going to denigrate them because they offend me in other present-day social situations." It certainly doesn't convey a person who is sure there is no God.
 
Originally posted by strummingram:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Non-believers sure seem preoccupied with religious figures these days.
It is the season, this time of year America is awash with religion.
Ummm, this goes on year-round. America is awash with religion every second of every day. Religion is not God, in my opinion. I think Religion is human's way of trying to get in touch with God, in a group sense. For some reason people have this compulsion to humanize God. They like to think on behalf of God. Thereby, if it is illogical to us, the human being, then it certainly is illogical to God. "If there were a God, why is there_______?" is a very humanistic approach. Which, being human, it's difficult to approach any other way. But, that doesn't stop some of us from succeeding in other ways. I've never come across a true atheist in my life... ever. The atheists I encounter are just complex-thinking people who's logic and literal perception of consciousness has blocked their ability to experience what is beyond matter and flesh and bone.


I can usually give WWJD credit for attempting something creative in these polls. But, the compulsion to basically troll the simpler-minded religious posters is just that- trolling. Not to mention, in this case, another experiment in futility. It's just interesting to me that people who insist that God and religious figures are total fiction, engage their minds and discussion in that subject matter as much, or more, than those who embrace it as fact. What it reveals to me is a chink in their armor. It's basically an admission of "I don't really know if there's a God, but I think devout religious people are always wrong, so I'm going to denigrate them because they offend me in other present-day social situations." It certainly doesn't convey a person who is sure there is no God.
Much of this I agree with, but atheism isn't a certainty in no god. Its a lack of belief in any god concept yet encountered. Where you see a chink in their armor, I see a strength of character to explore a topic most think settled. Additionally, this Easter/Passover time of year is second only to Christmas for producing religiosity in the general zeitgeist of our community. Overt religious shows were on all three major networks this week, which is not the norm.
 
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Non-believers sure seem preoccupied with religious figures these days.
It is the season, this time of year America is awash with religion.
Ummm, this goes on year-round. America is awash with religion every second of every day. Religion is not God, in my opinion. I think Religion is human's way of trying to get in touch with God, in a group sense. For some reason people have this compulsion to humanize God. They like to think on behalf of God. Thereby, if it is illogical to us, the human being, then it certainly is illogical to God. "If there were a God, why is there_______?" is a very humanistic approach. Which, being human, it's difficult to approach any other way. But, that doesn't stop some of us from succeeding in other ways. I've never come across a true atheist in my life... ever. The atheists I encounter are just complex-thinking people who's logic and literal perception of consciousness has blocked their ability to experience what is beyond matter and flesh and bone.


I can usually give WWJD credit for attempting something creative in these polls. But, the compulsion to basically troll the simpler-minded religious posters is just that- trolling. Not to mention, in this case, another experiment in futility. It's just interesting to me that people who insist that God and religious figures are total fiction, engage their minds and discussion in that subject matter as much, or more, than those who embrace it as fact. What it reveals to me is a chink in their armor. It's basically an admission of "I don't really know if there's a God, but I think devout religious people are always wrong, so I'm going to denigrate them because they offend me in other present-day social situations." It certainly doesn't convey a person who is sure there is no God.
Much of this I agree with, but atheism isn't a certainty in no god. Its a lack of belief in any god concept yet encountered. Where you see a chink in their armor, I see a strength of character to explore a topic most think settled. Additionally, this Easter/Passover time of year is second only to Christmas for producing religiosity in the general zeitgeist of our community. Overt religious shows were on all three major networks this week, which is not the norm.
I don't watch any network TV unless it's a sports broadcast. I'm sure there are more religious shows and specials on that medium now and at Christmas. But, religion is on here every day, in abundance. That's what I was referring to. The "god concept" that there is an invisible man in the clouds who listens to us murmur to ourselves or is keeping score is basically what I feel like that most of the simpler religious-minded people react toward. Whether consciously or subconsciously, the language and the stories almost force an image a super-human male that is in charge. I am certain that some religious people don't acknowledge God in that way, but many of them, who participate on a token level (until they're challenged by a rival religion), are thinking of God in that way without even realizing it.

Most atheists I encounter (especially in person) have a very condescending attitude toward those who are agnostic or overtly religious. Then again, there is the same in reverse, on some level. People have a need to be right.
 
Originally posted by strummingram:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Non-believers sure seem preoccupied with religious figures these days.
It is the season, this time of year America is awash with religion.
Ummm, this goes on year-round. America is awash with religion every second of every day. Religion is not God, in my opinion. I think Religion is human's way of trying to get in touch with God, in a group sense. For some reason people have this compulsion to humanize God. They like to think on behalf of God. Thereby, if it is illogical to us, the human being, then it certainly is illogical to God. "If there were a God, why is there_______?" is a very humanistic approach. Which, being human, it's difficult to approach any other way. But, that doesn't stop some of us from succeeding in other ways. I've never come across a true atheist in my life... ever. The atheists I encounter are just complex-thinking people who's logic and literal perception of consciousness has blocked their ability to experience what is beyond matter and flesh and bone.


I can usually give WWJD credit for attempting something creative in these polls. But, the compulsion to basically troll the simpler-minded religious posters is just that- trolling. Not to mention, in this case, another experiment in futility. It's just interesting to me that people who insist that God and religious figures are total fiction, engage their minds and discussion in that subject matter as much, or more, than those who embrace it as fact. What it reveals to me is a chink in their armor. It's basically an admission of "I don't really know if there's a God, but I think devout religious people are always wrong, so I'm going to denigrate them because they offend me in other present-day social situations." It certainly doesn't convey a person who is sure there is no God.
Much of this I agree with, but atheism isn't a certainty in no god. Its a lack of belief in any god concept yet encountered. Where you see a chink in their armor, I see a strength of character to explore a topic most think settled. Additionally, this Easter/Passover time of year is second only to Christmas for producing religiosity in the general zeitgeist of our community. Overt religious shows were on all three major networks this week, which is not the norm.
I don't watch any network TV unless it's a sports broadcast. I'm sure there are more religious shows and specials on that medium now and at Christmas. But, religion is on here every day, in abundance. That's what I was referring to. The "god concept" that there is an invisible man in the clouds who listens to us murmur to ourselves or is keeping score is basically what I feel like that most of the simpler religious-minded people react toward. Whether consciously or subconsciously, the language and the stories almost force an image a super-human male that is in charge. I am certain that some religious people don't acknowledge God in that way, but many of them, who participate on a token level (until they're challenged by a rival religion), are thinking of God in that way without even realizing it.

Most atheists I encounter (especially in person) have a very condescending attitude toward those who are agnostic or overtly religious. Then again, there is the same in reverse, on some level. People have a need to be right.
I agree with your first part. I've never noticed atheism being condescending to agnosticism. In fact for all practical purposes they are usually the same thing. They both reject the common answers most people offer. Which label people apply to themselves often has more to do with their general disposition than any concrete difference in philosophy, at least in my experience.
 
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Non-believers sure seem preoccupied with religious figures these days.
It is the season, this time of year America is awash with religion.
Ummm, this goes on year-round. America is awash with religion every second of every day. Religion is not God, in my opinion. I think Religion is human's way of trying to get in touch with God, in a group sense. For some reason people have this compulsion to humanize God. They like to think on behalf of God. Thereby, if it is illogical to us, the human being, then it certainly is illogical to God. "If there were a God, why is there_______?" is a very humanistic approach. Which, being human, it's difficult to approach any other way. But, that doesn't stop some of us from succeeding in other ways. I've never come across a true atheist in my life... ever. The atheists I encounter are just complex-thinking people who's logic and literal perception of consciousness has blocked their ability to experience what is beyond matter and flesh and bone.


I can usually give WWJD credit for attempting something creative in these polls. But, the compulsion to basically troll the simpler-minded religious posters is just that- trolling. Not to mention, in this case, another experiment in futility. It's just interesting to me that people who insist that God and religious figures are total fiction, engage their minds and discussion in that subject matter as much, or more, than those who embrace it as fact. What it reveals to me is a chink in their armor. It's basically an admission of "I don't really know if there's a God, but I think devout religious people are always wrong, so I'm going to denigrate them because they offend me in other present-day social situations." It certainly doesn't convey a person who is sure there is no God.
Much of this I agree with, but atheism isn't a certainty in no god. Its a lack of belief in any god concept yet encountered. Where you see a chink in their armor, I see a strength of character to explore a topic most think settled. Additionally, this Easter/Passover time of year is second only to Christmas for producing religiosity in the general zeitgeist of our community. Overt religious shows were on all three major networks this week, which is not the norm.
Really? I always thought that atheism was the belief there is no God, while agnosticism is the lack of belief on the subject, one way or the other. I could look it up, but it isn't that big a deal to me. I think that's the way the two terms are used in real life by most people.
 
Originally posted by Lone Clone:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Non-believers sure seem preoccupied with religious figures these days.
It is the season, this time of year America is awash with religion.
Ummm, this goes on year-round. America is awash with religion every second of every day. Religion is not God, in my opinion. I think Religion is human's way of trying to get in touch with God, in a group sense. For some reason people have this compulsion to humanize God. They like to think on behalf of God. Thereby, if it is illogical to us, the human being, then it certainly is illogical to God. "If there were a God, why is there_______?" is a very humanistic approach. Which, being human, it's difficult to approach any other way. But, that doesn't stop some of us from succeeding in other ways. I've never come across a true atheist in my life... ever. The atheists I encounter are just complex-thinking people who's logic and literal perception of consciousness has blocked their ability to experience what is beyond matter and flesh and bone.


I can usually give WWJD credit for attempting something creative in these polls. But, the compulsion to basically troll the simpler-minded religious posters is just that- trolling. Not to mention, in this case, another experiment in futility. It's just interesting to me that people who insist that God and religious figures are total fiction, engage their minds and discussion in that subject matter as much, or more, than those who embrace it as fact. What it reveals to me is a chink in their armor. It's basically an admission of "I don't really know if there's a God, but I think devout religious people are always wrong, so I'm going to denigrate them because they offend me in other present-day social situations." It certainly doesn't convey a person who is sure there is no God.
Much of this I agree with, but atheism isn't a certainty in no god. Its a lack of belief in any god concept yet encountered. Where you see a chink in their armor, I see a strength of character to explore a topic most think settled. Additionally, this Easter/Passover time of year is second only to Christmas for producing religiosity in the general zeitgeist of our community. Overt religious shows were on all three major networks this week, which is not the norm.
Really? I always thought that atheism was the belief there is no God, while agnosticism is the lack of belief on the subject, one way or the other. I could look it up, but it isn't that big a deal to me. I think that's the way the two terms are used in real life by most people.
People of different religions sometimes feel justified in killing each other over those differences. Atheists and agnostics rarely carry it that far.
 
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