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Poll: Should Iowa cancel NDSU series immediately despite Barta/Taylor ties?

Should Iowa cancel NDSU series immediately despite close ties with Barta/Taylor?

  • Yes

    Votes: 56 47.5%

  • No

    Votes: 62 52.5%
  • Total voters
    118
thewop

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Given Delaney's comments, should Iowa kill this series now and play a lower tier FBS school in 2016 (assuming this is still possible)? We're aware of the ties to NDSU with Barta and Gene Taylor, but should it matter? Should we honor the contract or bail on it now?
 
Besides the good possibility of NDSU beating Iowa and the fallout of that, I think they will honor the existing contract.


Stewart Mandel @slmandel

Delany confirms that outside of existing contracts, Big Ten ADs have committed to scheduling no more FCS games beginning next season.


Chad Leistikow @ChadLeistikow

Delany says existing contracts with FCS teams in 2016/beyond will be looked at for exceptions. Iowa has NDSU (FCS) in 2016, '18.
 
When all of the Power 5 schools are worried about playing at home and getting extra home games it is extremely difficult to schedule good teams. Some of the FCS teams are very good opponents (better than bottom feeder power 5 schools). I don't agree with a blanket no scheduling rule. Would much rather the B1G go to a no more than playing 1 FCS team a year or not more than 2 FCS games every three or four years. Scheduling major college football games is a nightmare these days. This just means more games against MAC level teams or scraping up some other bottom feeders.
 
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AirForceChiefO said:
When all of the Power 5 schools are worried about playing at home and getting extra home games it is extremely difficult to schedule good teams. Some of the FCS teams are very good opponents (better than bottom feeder power 5 schools). I don't agree with a blanket no scheduling rule. Would much rather the B1G go to a no more than playing 1 FCS team a year or not more than 2 FCS games every three or four years. Scheduling major college football games is a nightmare these days. This just means more games against MAC level teams or scraping up some other bottom feeders.
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While you're right, perception is reality, and an FCS win is not worth as much as an FBS win, regardless of where the opponent falls in their respective divisions. A win/loss against Houston can be validated by Houston's performance down the stretch, a win/loss against NDSU or UNI, will never turn into a true "quality win/loss," even if they win out.
 
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I really don't understand this when SEC continually schedules FCS teams and really bad ones at that.
 
No play this out as scheduled. It's 2 games and no more. Plus we get a look at a potential new coach.
 
I think the conferences need to get together and set some ground rules for scheduling. They want fairness in playoff selection then make some rules on scheduling, # of teams in conferences, require conference title game etc.
 
Nice to see Delaney understands what some of us have pointed out for years: It's wrong for big boy football teams to play schools like UNI and ND State, despite the fact those are outstanding programs that have beaten some big boy teams. It's still wrong to play them.

As a fan, there is no excitement or value in watching Iowa vs. an FCS team.

In recent years, Minnesota has played USC. Wisconsin is playing LSU and Alabama, and I believe Michigan State has Oregon on the schedule soon. So no, scheduling big boy games is not impossible.

And on a related note, anyone else sick of KF talking about his "developmental" program? Hayden Fry never used such a term. Hell, Fry came into 17 straight losing seasons and made no excuses. He managed to recruit kids to Iowa City who took the Hawkeyes to the Rose Bowl in his third year in the program. Fry never apologized for being Iowa. He made Iowa, the Big Ten, and the country learn to respect IOWA.

So yah, pay those little guys off and let's go schedule some big boys and build a program that's able to compete with and beat them.
 
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MepoDawg# said:
I think the conferences need to get together and set some ground rules for scheduling. They want fairness in playoff selection then make some rules on scheduling, # of teams in conferences, require conference title game etc.
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I don't think I agree, and here's why. No team destined for consideration for a playoff spot is going to lose to a MAC school. On the other hand, a 1-2 loss SEC school with a win against an FCS school may be penalized when compared to a 1-2 loss B1G school with 0 games against FCS schoos. I think the SEC does it to their own detriment, and we should let them.
 
cedarvalleykid14 said:
In recent years, Minnesota has played USC. Wisconsin is playing LSU and Alabama, and I believe Michigan State has Oregon on the schedule soon. So no, scheduling big boy games is not impossible.
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I love your point, but those other B1G schools don't have an ISU problem.
 
thewop said:
I love your point, but those other B1G schools don't have an ISU problem.
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Exactly! That series has to go! It is pointless in this age of college football. There are absolutely ZERO positives about this worthless series. No one cares outside of the state and barely care within the state.
 
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You forget that teams like Wisconsin and Minnesota are not locked in to playing instate rivals if there were a Wisconsin State or Minnesota State. Adding another big boy to the schedule would cause Iowa to lose a home game and I'm not in favor of that at all.

I see no excitement in playing a low rank FBS team like Tulsa or Kent State. I rather watch us play UNI and NDSU.

cedarvalleykid14 said:
Nice to see Delaney understands what some of us have pointed out for years: It's wrong for big boy football teams to play schools like UNI and ND State, despite the fact those are outstanding programs that have beaten some big boy teams. It's still wrong to play them.

As a fan, there is no excitement or value in watching Iowa vs. an FCS team.

In recent years, Minnesota has played USC. Wisconsin is playing LSU and Alabama, and I believe Michigan State has Oregon on the schedule soon. So no, scheduling big boy games is not impossible.

And on a related note, anyone else sick of KF talking about his "developmental" program? Hayden Fry never used such a term. Hell, Fry came into 17 straight losing seasons and made no excuses. He managed to recruit kids to Iowa City who took the Hawkeyes to the Rose Bowl in his third year in the program. Fry never apologized for being Iowa. He made Iowa, the Big Ten, and the country learn to respect IOWA.

So yah, pay those little guys off and let's go schedule some big boys and build a program that's able to compete with and beat them.
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Letsgohawks411 said:
Exactly! That series has to go! It is pointless in this age of college football. There are absolutely ZERO positives about this worthless series. No one cares outside of the state and barely care within the state.
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So true. Iowa is the only big 10 school that has a series with a power 5 conf for the foreseeable future that last more than 2 games. With 9 conf games starting in 2016 with ISU game it is highly unlikely Iowa schedules a 2nd power conf team. Cause no way Barta gives up the $ from a 7th home game and play only 6 at home in order to play another big name team.

With way it is set up Iowa plays 3 non conf home game the years they have 4 home 5 road conf games and plays at Ames the year they have 5 conf home games.
 
The school will honor the games, I don't know why anyone is talking about this. In the future though I hope the Pac/B1G series can get started because of this. Plus me living in Colorado, I'm hoping for games with CSU, Wyo, Air Force, Utah St... or any game I could drive to (assuming 2 for 1 would be the norm for MWC teams).
 
Unless you schedule a P-5 conference team, highly unlikely you will find a team that has been as good as program as North Dakota St.

True that it's more to lose then gain game.
 
David1979 said:
I really don't understand this when SEC continually schedules FCS teams and really bad ones at that.
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And certain "high profile" sec teams schedule it late in the season just before their annual grudge game. I think it is OK for a "Power 5" team to schedule a FCS opponent. It just needs to be done by the third week in the season. There are a few FCS teams that schedule 2 and even 3 FBS teams. This generates the revenue they need for their entire athletic department. Now if the FBS teams will share revenue from their cash cow with FCS teams, then no FCS games is OK.
 
Good points about ISU. I have railed against the ISU series many times. Iowa could offer to play ISU once every three years and if ISU doesn't like it, Iowa should never play ISU in football again. Iowa got along just fine without ISU from the 1940s or so til 1977. Even when Hayden whipped the Cyclones for 15 straight seasons, the game was worthless for Iowa. Let's hope the new AD will understand that Iowa should be playing major national programs, not ISU.
 
From outside of your fanbase, it seems a no-brainer to keep playing ISU. It should be a guaranteed win every year, one more to add to the record. I know it hasn't worked out that way lately, but if you have to choose between non-FCS schools, why would you NOT pick one of the weakest in history to pad the W column?
 
Alabama has just agreed to play Louisville in Orlando in 2018. Why? What's in it for Alabama? If Alabama is willing to schedule that game, why wouldn't they agree to play Iowa in, say, Dallas? Get rid of the ISU albatross, Barta, and get on the phone.
 
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considering louisville is in SEC country, and the game is going to be played in FL, lots of positives for Bama to play this game. as long as iowa is in the mid-level they're at, no benefit at all to any power SEC team to scheduling Iowa, even at neutral sites. would love for them to schedule say kentucky or vanderbilt, but it takes too to tango, and kentucky has the same problems as us, with a power 5 school they play every year (louisville)
 
Iowa can schedule all kinds of FCS schools for the foreseeable future and it won't mean a thing in regards to the Playoffs. I'd worry about it if I were a school with a legitimate shot of being in the mix.
 
No.

We would be the very thing we accused Mizzou of way back when...

If it were Pigs Knuckle State or some other outright pushover, then yes. This is NDSU...who recently could (not saying would have) beat half the teams in FBS.
 
doughudd said:
You forget that teams like Wisconsin and Minnesota are not locked in to playing instate rivals if there were a Wisconsin State or Minnesota State. Adding another big boy to the schedule would cause Iowa to lose a home game and I'm not in favor of that at all.

I see no excitement in playing a low rank FBS team like Tulsa or Kent State. I rather watch us play UNI and NDSU.
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ISU is considered a "big boy" now? Who knew...

Let's get one thing straight. ISU may play in a power 5 conference, but they are far from a "big boy".

Where do you guys get this stuff?
 
bagdropper said:
No.

We would be the very thing we accused Mizzou of way back when...

If it were Pigs Knuckle State or some other outright pushover, then yes. This is NDSU...who recently could (not saying would have) beat half the teams in FBS.
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I agree. We need to just get it over with and take our beating. I would much rather lose to them than be accused of chickening out. That's exactly what it will look like.
 
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bagdropper said:
No.

We would be the very thing we accused Mizzou of way back when...

If it were Pigs Knuckle State or some other outright pushover, then yes. This is NDSU...who recently could (not saying would have) beat half the teams in FBS.
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Yeah, no we wouldn't. This would not be, admittedly, dodging competition.

I'm fine with them on the schedule, compared to what else what we'd actually get. If we could get a "big boy" I'd be in, definitely.
 
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ISU is considered a "big boy" now? Who knew...

Let's get one thing straight. ISU may play in a power 5 conference, but they are far from a "big boy".

Where do you guys get this stuff?
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Pitts on the schedule along with 8 other big boy teams. I know it's hard for some.
 
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cedarvalleykid14 said:
Alabama has just agreed to play Louisville in Orlando in 2018. Why? What's in it for Alabama? If Alabama is willing to schedule that game, why wouldn't they agree to play Iowa in, say, Dallas? Get rid of the ISU albatross, Barta, and get on the phone.
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Despite the fact they have one recruit from Iowa in the last 100 years, Alabama would not benefit from playing Iowa anywhere, ever. Louisville and Orlando are their recruiting back yards.
 
Titanhawk2 said:
Despite the fact they have one recruit from Iowa in the last 100 years, Alabama would not benefit from playing Iowa anywhere, ever. Louisville and Orlando are their recruiting back yards.
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Yeah... This is the reason schools won't schedule Iowa... :rolleyes:
 
doughudd said:
Pitts on the schedule along with 8 other big boy teams. I know it's hard for some.
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Oh, so what you're saying is that you want only one out of conference big boy on the schedule every year? Then why did you mention our Iowa State problem?

FYI, Pitt isn't exactly a "big boy" either. It sounds as if you want Iowa to schedule easy teams because you are scared of a loss. It's almost like you want Iowa to waltz into a bowl game.

Listen, it's obvious that squeaking out wins against the UNI's and Ball State's of college football world isn't doing Iowa any favors. It actually hurts Iowa. It hasn't prepared them for the BIG schedule. So what's the benefit? Wins?

What's wrong with an OOC schedule looking like this?

Sep. 5 - Colorado/Vanderbilt/Washington St/Virginia
Sep. 12 - at Iowa State
Sep. 19 - Pittsburgh/Kentucky/North Carolina/Cal
Sep. 26 - at Texas/Georgia/Florida/Clemson

If Iowa's out of conference looked like this, it would get noticed by everyone and give Iowa all kinds of exposure.

These types of schedules aren't murderer's row, and would far better prepare Iowa for the BIG schedule. It would also generate more excitement. If you come out of that 2-2 or 3-1, it's respectable and doesn't kill you. 1-3 or 0-4? Then it's going to be a long season, and you probably don't deserve to go to a bowl, but you still could make it.
 
Even without the "Big Boy" in Sep. 26 slot you have would be an excellent, great, awesome schedule. Even if it were, say, Wake Forest or Kansas.
 
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