Positionless basketball is clearly paying off

[Ihawkhoops]

Williams spends a year being groomed for the PG spot and 6 games in gets displaced by Bohannon. Williams had his best game of the season tonight, which was still a poor performance. Bohannon is supposed to be able to shoot, but is rapidly turning into Oglesby 2.0. Moss is supposed to be a scorer, but sits next to Fran for 95% of the game and plays behind Ellingson and now Dailey. I predict he is out at season's end.

Uhl and Ellingson (both great shooters per Fran) won't look at the basket. Cook and Pemsl should not be on the floor together. Neither has any game beyond 3 feet. Baer and Wagner bust their talis, but are extremely challenged offensively. Jok has no help from a Big Ten PG or another scorer and is breaking down physically. Kriener hustles and does good things, but gets yanked never to return. Dailey sits all season, but looks super athletic when he does see the floor.

Our best 4 minutes of the game came with all but one starter on the bench. A really bad Illinois team dominated Iowa from start to finish. Clearly positionless basketball is alive and well at Iowa. The talent level on this team is an eyelash better than the Lickliter era. I would hope for transfers, but Fran has shown 0 ability to upgrade talent. The guard, not just PG situation, is a dumpster fire and that is being kind. Our starter can't handle any ball pressure and our backup can't shoot or make free throws. Moss is apparently not part of the present or future and will join the Dickerson, Hutton, Fleming train out of Iowa City. You bench a kid from Illinois for the two road games in Illinois and put him in for the last minute? Well done Fran.

 

[dsmithqc]

Make sure you get your money's worth this month ilhawk

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Fran has to make a "change" this off season. I don't know what it is, but he has to go find a decent PG.

Bohannon will be a good guard in the Big Ten when he's a junior or senior. Not right now and this team needs some serious upgrade at the guard position.

I just can't believe that Iowa doesnt' have a post player who can shoot a 15ft jumper. Illinois guys were stepping out dropping that shot in every time. Iowa guys only chance to score was dunk or lay-up. That's not good, you have to have guys that can step out and also work on the block. We have only 1 and that is Kriener.

I would seriously think about "cutting" 3 guys and going out and hitting the transfer market for guys to come in. Maybe 1-2 grad transfers. Because right now this team is looking like:

No PostSeason
No PostSeason
NIT/NCAA maybe
NIT/NCAA maybe

Nothing about this team makes me think they will be any better next year.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Who is he going to get? This is the best he can do after 3 NCAA appearances. What will a bottom 3 in the big ten finish do for recruiting? I am sure he can find a couple of projects and tell us how they are lights out shooters in practice and can play the 1-5. Disregard that their other offers are from schools you have to Google.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Make sure you get your money's worth this month ilhawk

I plan to do some preaching. Stay tuned.

 

[Auger]

Patience, patience, patience. While I do believe Fran is neglecting some players (Moss, Kriener) and has taken a poor route in developing others by not focusing on their strengths (Williams, Wagner) the FR were never going to be ready defensively or polished offensively. At best they were all going to be just role players. The FR all have a lot to work on next year. And to be honest if Pemsl and Cook don't work on a mid range shot the two post guys coming in could pass them up. Both are more polished 10 ft from the rim then Pemsl and Cook are already.

The talent is there but it needs time to develop. Also some pretty darn good talent is coming in. The question will be what will Fran do developing thsee guys? Can he and can he develop not just individual players but develop a polished roster and utilize his players and develop them in the right roles and elevate their strengths? He failed at that this year with his 2nd and 3rd year players.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Who is he going to get? This is the best he can do after 3 NCAA appearances. What will a bottom 3 in the big ten finish do for recruiting? I am sure he can find a couple of projects and tell us how they are lights out shooters in practice and can play the 1-5. Disregard that their other offers are from schools you have to Google.

That's where he has to use the "grad" transfer rule. He has to go out and find a transfer who is just graduated and going to play their 4th year. There are schools all over the country who use that tactic and its proven to work. Fran has to find someone to come in who can be a spark. Several Big Ten schools do it as well.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Patience, patience, patience. While I do believe Fran is neglecting some players (Moss, Kriener) and has taken a poor route in developing others by not focusing on their strengths (Williams, Wagner) the FR were never going to be ready defensively or polished offensively. At best they were all going to be just role players. The FR all have a lot to work on next year. And to be honest if Pemsl and Cook don't work on a mid range shot the two post guys coming in could pass them up. Both are more polished 10 ft from the rim then Pemsl and Cook are already.

The talent is there but it needs time to develop. Also some pretty darn good talent is coming in. The question will be what will Fran do developing thsee guys? Can he and can he develop not just individual players but develop a polished roster and utilize his players and develop them in the right roles and elevate their strengths?

I will agree with you about the patience, but even with what we have coming in, how will this team be any better defensively next year? Sorry but Bohannon is guarding guys out by 1/2ct and getting burnt every time. Williams, Moss, Dailey, Ellingson, and others get beat continually off the dribble and in rotations. Are these two freshman going to come in and be defensive stoppers? Nope, so even next year we will struggle.

I just do not see too many good things from his group. The fact that Uhl, Wagner, and others haven't added even 1 wrinkle to their games makes me believe Fran isn't developing these guys. They are not getting any better since the day they stepped foot on campus.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Patience, patience, patience. While I do believe Fran is neglecting some players (Moss, Kriener) and has taken a poor route in developing others by not focusing on their strengths (Williams, Wagner) the FR were never going to be ready defensively or polished offensively. At best they were all going to be just role players. The FR all have a lot to work on next year. And to be honest if Pemsl and Cook don't work on a mid range shot the two post guys coming in could pass them up. Both are more polished 10 ft from the rim then Pemsl and Cook are already.

The talent is there but it needs time to develop. Also some pretty darn good talent is coming in. The question will be what will Fran do developing thsee guys? Can he and can he develop not just individual players but develop a polished roster and utilize his players and develop them in the right roles and elevate their strengths?

You make some really good points, but we have no PG or SG. How do you get around that? Fran's kid? Jok is breaking down before our eyes because he has no help from anybody. This is what Fran has been building while MG, AC, AW, and JU were here? We have to play a poor man's version of Nolan Richardson basketball to keep from losing by 30 to Illinois.

 

[Auger]

DavenportHawk8 and Ihawkhoops I agree with both you guys. I think we all agree development will be key. If Fran can't up his ability to develop not just individual players but a team he will be no better then B1G coaches like Crean and Groce. The point I was trying to make was the talent is here but very young or coming development will be key. The FR and incoming talent is better then what Fran was bringing in, in the '15 and '14 classes. Uhl, Wagner and Williams all were very limited players in HS. The '16, '17 and so far '18 classes all have more upside and talent. If these '16 guys show very little development next year I will start to almost fully believe Fran can't develop talent. The Moss thing right now is worrisome to me however. At times he looks like the guy with the most upside on the current roster but yet Fran sits him. I worry more about Fran ability to actually develop a team

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Williams spends a year being groomed for the PG spot and 6 games in gets displaced by Bohannon. Williams had his best game of the season tonight, which was still a poor performance. Bohannon is supposed to be able to shoot, but is rapidly turning into Oglesby 2.0. Moss is supposed to be a scorer, but sits next to Fran for 95% of the game and plays behind Ellingson and now Dailey. I predict he is out at season's end.

Uhl and Ellingson (both great shooters per Fran) won't look at the basket. Cook and Pemsl should not be on the floor together. Neither has any game beyond 3 feet. Baer and Wagner bust their talis, but are extremely challenged offensively. Jok has no help from a Big Ten PG or another scorer and is breaking down physically. Kriener hustles and does good things, but gets yanked never to return. Dailey sits all season, but looks super athletic when he does see the floor.

Our best 4 minutes of the game came with all but one starter on the bench. A really bad Illinois team dominated Iowa from start to finish. Clearly positionless basketball is alive and well at Iowa. The talent level on this team is an eyelash better than the Lickliter era. I would hope for transfers, but Fran has shown 0 ability to upgrade talent. The guard, not just PG situation, is a dumpster fire and that is being kind. Our starter can't handle any ball pressure and our backup can't shoot or make free throws. Moss is apparently not part of the present or future and will join the Dickerson, Hutton, Fleming train out of Iowa City. You bench a kid from Illinois for the two road games in Illinois and put him in for the last minute? Well done Fran.

Ellingson is Oglesby 2.0 if it's anyone.

Bohannon actually does more than just miss 3s.

 

[N.Legend]

Fran has to make a "change" this off season. I don't know what it is, but he has to go find a decent PG.

Bohannon will be a good guard in the Big Ten when he's a junior or senior. Not right now and this team needs some serious upgrade at the guard position.

I just can't believe that Iowa doesnt' have a post player who can shoot a 15ft jumper. Illinois guys were stepping out dropping that shot in every time. Iowa guys only chance to score was dunk or lay-up. That's not good, you have to have guys that can step out and also work on the block. We have only 1 and that is Kriener.

I would seriously think about "cutting" 3 guys and going out and hitting the transfer market for guys to come in. Maybe 1-2 grad transfers. Because right now this team is looking like:

No PostSeason
No PostSeason
NIT/NCAA maybe
NIT/NCAA maybe

Nothing about this team makes me think they will be any better next year.

And just how do you propose he cut three scholarships? By throwing a hissy fit.
Better yet how does he propose to get grad transfers? Grad transfers usually have their pick of places to go.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Some perspective, as clearly this thread needs some. How is this going to hurt our recruiting, when we're already full the next two years? Uhl isn't transferring, he's a Junior and we are stuck with him one more year. Moss isn't transferring, he's going to be a starter next year. He isn't playing a lot because Jok and Baer are playing a ton of minutes at his positions. Moss sitting right now has more to do with Baer, than it does with Moss. Ellingson is a better shooter than Oglesby, and should run the point behind Jordan. That was a bad game! Bad! Fran has to switch up the lineup. Kreiner/Wagner/Uhl 5's, Pemsl/Cook 4's, Baer/Moss 3's, Jok/Moss/Ellingson 2's, Jabo/Ellingson 1's. Fran is being stubborn and I don't get it. Uhl is not a good player, and he's not going to turn into one over night. Williams is just really bad, not a D1 basketball player.

 

[Steve Waite]

The problem is we are starting 3 shooting guards and 2 power forwards. 2 of the shooting guards had
the flu and bad back, but still start. The 2 power forwards have the basketball IQ of 5th graders and
have no clue about the fundamentals of basketball (dribbling, shooting, boxing out and god forbid playing defense.)
Our first players off the bench last night are a former walk on and 2 players who are D2 caliber players.
What's sad is the former walk on is the best of the bunch.

Our coach can't recruit a pg, which every other team we played against appears not to have this problem.
Our two best freshmen in the class got 6 & 11 minutes of playing time last night.
This is all on the coach. I was shocked that he actually took credit for the dumpster fire that he's
putting out on the court.
I agree that they're are several players that need to be "Creaned", but the problem I see you have
a coach that can't recruit a PG or SG that can break down defenses and create their own shots.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

And just how do you propose he cut three scholarships? By throwing a hissy fit.
Better yet how does he propose to get grad transfers? Grad transfers usually have their pick of places to go.

Well for one if you cut their playing time drastically they will most likely "leave for greener pastures" This playing 11-12 guys is giving all these guys minutes and time on the floor that won't make them leave. Encourage guys to leave (sorry there are 1-2 guys that should look elsewhere). Cut your rotation down to 9 guys and play those guys 25-30min a night. Its January if they are not in "shape" then they are not putting in the work needed.

Grad Transfers you have to promise playing time. The problem with Fran is he is too old school in terms of recruiting. He is very similar to KF in a way that if you commit to Iowa and you come here, you will play. Regardless of how bad you are, we will let you stay and play. Anyone new who comes in will have to wait their turn, unfortunately grad transfers only get 1 year.

I guess looking toward next year, what do we have coming in that will help our poor defense? What do we have coming back that will improve this team? I seriously do not see a single thing that will be different, except the freshman will be sophomores and Jok will be gone. That's it.

 

[nagemj02]

That's where he has to use the "grad" transfer rule. He has to go out and find a transfer who is just graduated and going to play their 4th year. There are schools all over the country who use that tactic and its proven to work. Fran has to find someone to come in who can be a spark. Several Big Ten schools do it as well.

Yep, that was one of the big reasons why (along with their 2014 class) Purdue made the NCAA Tournament two seasons ago. They landed Jon Octeus, the starting PG the previous season at Colorado State, as a grad transfer and he ended up being one of the difference-makers. He wasn't awesome but he was a good all-around player, athletic, a good decision-maker, and definitely an upgrade over the other PG's that season.

 

[HawkLogic]

I think we are seeing Fran's problems....he recruits too many guards that can only do one thing well...they are role players...but to make the cocktail work, he needs some guards that can do several things well, like create shots, make 3pt shots, play defense, make FTs.

CW is perfect example--huge limitation in his game is he is a bricklayer.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I think we are seeing Fran's problems....he recruits too many guards that can only do one thing well...they are role players...but to make the cocktail work, he needs some guards that can do several things well, like create shots, make 3pt shots, play defense, make FTs.

CW is perfect example--huge limitation in his game is he is a bricklayer.

I was actually impressed that he was able to get to the rim last night a few times. He just needs to "slow" down at times. He gets it in his motor that he has to go up tempo and he plays a little out of control. He did get to the paint a few times and had some nice finishes. The problem was once his guy knew his 3pt shooting is not good, he slacked off of him and that made CW one dimensional then. Plus his FT shooting is not the best as well.

I am not going to give up entirely on JW & Bohannon but there has to be another option out there for just 1 year. I mean both those guys are young and by the time they are seniors they will be serviceable guards.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Interesting and entertaining posts. I will throw myself under the bus and say when I saw the highlight clips of Moss and Williams, I thought we had turned the corner. Today I am wondering if either will be here next season. Williams looked quick in highlights and in his limited PT last year. Moss looked great early in the season hitting jumpers and taking it to the rim.

I am not a UFO guy, but I am wondering if alien abduction is plausible here.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Patience, patience, patience. While I do believe Fran is neglecting some players (Moss, Kriener) and has taken a poor route in developing others by not focusing on their strengths (Williams, Wagner) the FR were never going to be ready defensively or polished offensively. At best they were all going to be just role players. The FR all have a lot to work on next year. And to be honest if Pemsl and Cook don't work on a mid range shot the two post guys coming in could pass them up. Both are more polished 10 ft from the rim then Pemsl and Cook are already.

The talent is there but it needs time to develop. Also some pretty darn good talent is coming in. The question will be what will Fran do developing thsee guys? Can he and can he develop not just individual players but develop a polished roster and utilize his players and develop them in the right roles and elevate their strengths? He failed at that this year with his 2nd and 3rd year players.

Weird how quickly fans change. At the beginning of the season I remember it being, "I'm way more excited about this year than last, we knew where those seniors would cap out at, but these guys could go anywhere!"

 

[bravehawks1]

Most of this thread is what I have been saying for over a year. Fran relies on one player on offense (gates, marble, white uthoff and now jok) and pretty much runs them in to the ground physically. Why because he can't coach an offensive scheme to get them open and doesn't develop players, namely post guys. If you have a team willing to use their post, the pass in and out makes defenses move. We do nothing of the sort. Fran could take some hints from Lisa Bluder on running the offense through the post. Then you combine this with teams that are poor defensively, it's not all due to freshman either, since most of Fran's teams have struggled to play defense and you have a recipe for teams to struggle.
Many people criticize Kirk for not changing his ways, but Fran is just as bad. The difference is that Kirk coaches his players up to another level, but Fran and staff do not do that. So hoping that these freshman will be anything close to B1G champions is like hoping you will win the lottery. The next round of recruits does not include a PG which is the most glaring problem so we are stuck hoping to make the NCAA

 

[DanL53]

I plan to do some preaching. Stay tuned.

Waited over half a season for a losing streak to preach, about something of which you are clearly ignorant. Why don't you save some time and just post, "We lost three games! Finally I get to bitch!!!"

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Waited over half a season for a losing streak to preach, about something of which you are clearly ignorant. Why don't you save some time and just post, "We lost three games! Finally I get to bitch!!!"

I respect your right to an opinion and have not called you ignorant or other names (that I can remember). I welcome a spirited debate based in rationale thought, so please share a dissenting view on the recent free fall in Iowa hoops.

If you look at my posts, I am not calling anyone names and make my case using what I believe to be grass roots basketball logic. If you read the responses from others, they don't agree with me 100%, but we can respectfully share our ideas. I am hard pressed to understand how you can not be a little concerned about the recent abysmal play.

I encourage you to join the community of people who can share differing points of view that are rooted in fact, not emotion. What part of my analysis do you disagree with and why? I know you are a positionless basketball guy who proclaims we do not need a PG because Uhl and everyone else can dribble, so let's start there.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I respect your right to an opinion and have not called you ignorant or other names (that I can remember). I welcome a spirited debate based in rationale thought, so please share a dissenting view on the recent free fall in Iowa hoops.

If you look at my posts, I am not calling anyone names and make my case using what I believe to be grass roots basketball logic. If you read the responses from others, they don't agree with me 100%, but we can respectfully share our ideas. I am hard pressed to understand how you can not be a little concerned about the recent abysmal play.

I encourage you to join the community of people who can share differing points of view that are rooted in fact, not emotion. What part of my analysis do you disagree with and why? I know you are a positionless basketball guy who proclaims we do not need a PG because Uhl and everyone else can dribble, so let's start there.

Ignore him. He's the great defender of positionless basketball. He thinks it's "neat" that we try and hammer a square peg wing in a round hole PG position. He's clueless.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Ignore him. He's the great defender of positionless basketball. He thinks it's "neat" that we try and hammer a square peg wing in a round hole PG position. He's clueless.

Classic. Thanks for the response and good laugh.

 

[DanL53]

I respect your right to an opinion and have not called you ignorant or other names (that I can remember). I welcome a spirited debate based in rationale thought, so please share a dissenting view on the recent free fall in Iowa hoops.

If you look at my posts, I am not calling anyone names and make my case using what I believe to be grass roots basketball logic. If you read the responses from others, they don't agree with me 100%, but we can respectfully share our ideas. I am hard pressed to understand how you can not be a little concerned about the recent abysmal play.

I encourage you to join the community of people who can share differing points of view that are rooted in fact, not emotion. What part of my analysis do you disagree with and why? I know you are a positionless basketball guy who proclaims we do not need a PG because Uhl and everyone else can dribble, so let's start there.

I'm a plain speaking guy. So I'll be blunt, I'm not going to argue your point. The team that lost the last three games is the same team that was doing well before this span. That is, with a key player hurting and another who turned up sick.

But I'm not going to argue with your initial premise and title, "Positionless Basketball is Clearly Paying Off", certainly sarcastic and insulting to begin with so don't pretend to be simply trying to communicate fairly.

Instead of debating you on the matter, let me try to help you to understand a bit about reaching conclusions. You figure out where you went wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

 

[Ronman]

Williams spends a year being groomed for the PG spot and 6 games in gets displaced by Bohannon. Williams had his best game of the season tonight, which was still a poor performance. Bohannon is supposed to be able to shoot, but is rapidly turning into Oglesby 2.0. Moss is supposed to be a scorer, but sits next to Fran for 95% of the game and plays behind Ellingson and now Dailey. I predict he is out at season's end.

Uhl and Ellingson (both great shooters per Fran) won't look at the basket. Cook and Pemsl should not be on the floor together. Neither has any game beyond 3 feet. Baer and Wagner bust their talis, but are extremely challenged offensively. Jok has no help from a Big Ten PG or another scorer and is breaking down physically. Kriener hustles and does good things, but gets yanked never to return. Dailey sits all season, but looks super athletic when he does see the floor.

Our best 4 minutes of the game came with all but one starter on the bench. A really bad Illinois team dominated Iowa from start to finish. Clearly positionless basketball is alive and well at Iowa. The talent level on this team is an eyelash better than the Lickliter era. I would hope for transfers, but Fran has shown 0 ability to upgrade talent. The guard, not just PG situation, is a dumpster fire and that is being kind. Our starter can't handle any ball pressure and our backup can't shoot or make free throws. Moss is apparently not part of the present or future and will join the Dickerson, Hutton, Fleming train out of Iowa City. You bench a kid from Illinois for the two road games in Illinois and put him in for the last minute? Well done Fran.

So, I get the feeling you have some issues with this team.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

So, I get the feeling you have some issues with this team.

Illinois is a bad team and will be lucky to win 3 more games. They beat the us like a drum. Yes, I have issues with this team and the recruiting. Every team in the big ten can guards except us.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I'm a plain speaking guy. So I'll be blunt, I'm not going to argue your point. The team that lost the last three games is the same team that was doing well before this span. That is, with a key player hurting and another who turned up sick.

But I'm not going to argue with your initial premise and title, "Positionless Basketball is Clearly Paying Off", certainly sarcastic and insulting to begin with so don't pretend to be simply trying to communicate fairly.

Instead of debating you on the matter, let me try to help you to understand a bit about reaching conclusions. You figure out where you went wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

It's simple. Articulate how we win with no PG, SG or true 5.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

It's simple. Articulate how we win with no PG, SG or true 5.

We'll win some games we shouldn't and we'll lose some games we shouldn't. Finish with a .500 record. I guess the hope is that next season we'll be a bubble team, then the year after that we'll make 2 NCAA tournaments in a row and get crushed by teams with real rosters.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

We will see what happens tomorrow. I do not expect the team to win, but if they come out the first 5 minutes looking like a bunch of soccer players who just picked up the game of basketball last week, I am going to be extremely disappointed.

At this point, if guys don't know their assignments on defense, then I suggest Fran get some sock puppets and break it down to the basics for Monday's practice. Youth is a contributing factor with respect to confidence, physicality, and managing a long season, but should not impact effort. Some of these guys appear to be auditioning for The Walking Dead extras. Block out, don't get picked 5 times in a row on the same play, and know your game. If you are a below the rim guy, take a pull up jumper vs. getting a synthetic leather Spalding brand on your forehead.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Illinois is a bad team and will be lucky to win 3 more games. They beat the us like a drum. Yes, I have issues with this team and the recruiting. Every team in the big ten can guards except us.

All the talk of which players should start/not start, whether we should press, not press, or whatever deficiencies the roster has are all fine. But this year, nothing much will change unless/until every guy on the floor starts giving good effort. Jok is either hurt and incapable of playing defense, or just doesn't want to, or some combination of both. That spills out to the rest of the team. Watching Jok just not compete for loose balls against Illinois was disgusting. If he's hurt and incapable of doing that, then sit him. The freshmen think they are playing hard, but they aren't really. Baer and Wagner are the 2 guys who battle for loose balls and sacrifice. At this point, I'd start with them and anyone else who wants to give similar effort can play. Anyone who doesn't can sit, including Jok. Defense is about effort, paying attention to detail, having a good plan and sacrificing for the entire team. Fran's plan is fine, the other stuff is lacking.

 

[hooper56]

Williams spends a year being groomed for the PG spot and 6 games in gets displaced by Bohannon. Williams had his best game of the season tonight, which was still a poor performance. Bohannon is supposed to be able to shoot, but is rapidly turning into Oglesby 2.0. Moss is supposed to be a scorer, but sits next to Fran for 95% of the game and plays behind Ellingson and now Dailey. I predict he is out at season's end.

Uhl and Ellingson (both great shooters per Fran) won't look at the basket. Cook and Pemsl should not be on the floor together. Neither has any game beyond 3 feet. Baer and Wagner bust their talis, but are extremely challenged offensively. Jok has no help from a Big Ten PG or another scorer and is breaking down physically. Kriener hustles and does good things, but gets yanked never to return. Dailey sits all season, but looks super athletic when he does see the floor.

Our best 4 minutes of the game came with all but one starter on the bench. A really bad Illinois team dominated Iowa from start to finish. Clearly positionless basketball is alive and well at Iowa. The talent level on this team is an eyelash better than the Lickliter era. I would hope for transfers, but Fran has shown 0 ability to upgrade talent. The guard, not just PG situation, is a dumpster fire and that is being kind. Our starter can't handle any ball pressure and our backup can't shoot or make free throws. Moss is apparently not part of the present or future and will join the Dickerson, Hutton, Fleming train out of Iowa City. You bench a kid from Illinois for the two road games in Illinois and put him in for the last minute? Well done Fran.

Nice Troll job. Congratulations. Probably some will bite. GTH

 

[papabeef]

Williams spends a year being groomed for the PG spot and 6 games in gets displaced by Bohannon. Williams had his best game of the season tonight, which was still a poor performance. Bohannon is supposed to be able to shoot, but is rapidly turning into Oglesby 2.0. Moss is supposed to be a scorer, but sits next to Fran for 95% of the game and plays behind Ellingson and now Dailey. I predict he is out at season's end.

Uhl and Ellingson (both great shooters per Fran) won't look at the basket. Cook and Pemsl should not be on the floor together. Neither has any game beyond 3 feet. Baer and Wagner bust their talis, but are extremely challenged offensively. Jok has no help from a Big Ten PG or another scorer and is breaking down physically. Kriener hustles and does good things, but gets yanked never to return. Dailey sits all season, but looks super athletic when he does see the floor.

Our best 4 minutes of the game came with all but one starter on the bench. A really bad Illinois team dominated Iowa from start to finish. Clearly positionless basketball is alive and well at Iowa. The talent level on this team is an eyelash better than the Lickliter era. I would hope for transfers, but Fran has shown 0 ability to upgrade talent. The guard, not just PG situation, is a dumpster fire and that is being kind. Our starter can't handle any ball pressure and our backup can't shoot or make free throws. Moss is apparently not part of the present or future and will join the Dickerson, Hutton, Fleming train out of Iowa City. You bench a kid from Illinois for the two road games in Illinois and put him in for the last minute? Well done Fran.

that has got to be one of the dumber things i have read in a while, the talent level is an eyelash better than lickliter era ? extremely dumb.

 

[moon291]

Williams spends a year being groomed for the PG spot and 6 games in gets displaced by Bohannon. Williams had his best game of the season tonight, which was still a poor performance. Bohannon is supposed to be able to shoot, but is rapidly turning into Oglesby 2.0. Moss is supposed to be a scorer, but sits next to Fran for 95% of the game and plays behind Ellingson and now Dailey. I predict he is out at season's end.

Uhl and Ellingson (both great shooters per Fran) won't look at the basket. Cook and Pemsl should not be on the floor together. Neither has any game beyond 3 feet. Baer and Wagner bust their talis, but are extremely challenged offensively. Jok has no help from a Big Ten PG or another scorer and is breaking down physically. Kriener hustles and does good things, but gets yanked never to return. Dailey sits all season, but looks super athletic when he does see the floor.

Our best 4 minutes of the game came with all but one starter on the bench. A really bad Illinois team dominated Iowa from start to finish. Clearly positionless basketball is alive and well at Iowa. The talent level on this team is an eyelash better than the Lickliter era. I would hope for transfers, but Fran has shown 0 ability to upgrade talent. The guard, not just PG situation, is a dumpster fire and that is being kind. Our starter can't handle any ball pressure and our backup can't shoot or make free throws. Moss is apparently not part of the present or future and will join the Dickerson, Hutton, Fleming train out of Iowa City. You bench a kid from Illinois for the two road games in Illinois and put him in for the last minute? Well done Fran.

Agree completely. Kriener has to start as he is the only one of our big men who has an outside game besides Baer.

 

[RoundRock620]

So many bipolar people here. We expected ups and downs this year. Very high was the Purdue game, one of the best games I had seen Iowa play in a long time. Last two games were horrible. I had supported this team and Fran and never had a bad word for them, and will continue. But the lack of defensive effort is the most disappointing. Apart from the Purdue game, we play horrible defense. I actually stop watching last two games middle first half - not because they were losing, but because of horrible defense. I do not have problem with Fran playing all players. I have problem with him not sitting them out, even for a few games, if they do not play defense. I am watching tonight's game too, but if we start 0:10, I an watching "Finding Dory" with kids.

 

[icwesthawk]

Williams spends a year being groomed for the PG spot and 6 games in gets displaced by Bohannon. Williams had his best game of the season tonight, which was still a poor performance. Bohannon is supposed to be able to shoot, but is rapidly turning into Oglesby 2.0. Moss is supposed to be a scorer, but sits next to Fran for 95% of the game and plays behind Ellingson and now Dailey. I predict he is out at season's end.

Uhl and Ellingson (both great shooters per Fran) won't look at the basket. Cook and Pemsl should not be on the floor together. Neither has any game beyond 3 feet. Baer and Wagner bust their talis, but are extremely challenged offensively. Jok has no help from a Big Ten PG or another scorer and is breaking down physically. Kriener hustles and does good things, but gets yanked never to return. Dailey sits all season, but looks super athletic when he does see the floor.

Our best 4 minutes of the game came with all but one starter on the bench. A really bad Illinois team dominated Iowa from start to finish. Clearly positionless basketball is alive and well at Iowa. The talent level on this team is an eyelash better than the Lickliter era. I would hope for transfers, but Fran has shown 0 ability to upgrade talent. The guard, not just PG situation, is a dumpster fire and that is being kind. Our starter can't handle any ball pressure and our backup can't shoot or make free throws. Moss is apparently not part of the present or future and will join the Dickerson, Hutton, Fleming train out of Iowa City. You bench a kid from Illinois for the two road games in Illinois and put him in for the last minute? Well done Fran.

Wondering if the tune has changed for you? One game does not make a season but we looked better last nite than we have in a long time. Better players will always help but so will true team basketball. Our style of basketball will win a lot of games in the big and around college basketball, hope you can admit to it.

 

[terrehawk]

Williams spends a year being groomed for the PG spot and 6 games in gets displaced by Bohannon. Williams had his best game of the season tonight, which was still a poor performance. Bohannon is supposed to be able to shoot, but is rapidly turning into Oglesby 2.0. Moss is supposed to be a scorer, but sits next to Fran for 95% of the game and plays behind Ellingson and now Dailey. I predict he is out at season's end.

Uhl and Ellingson (both great shooters per Fran) won't look at the basket. Cook and Pemsl should not be on the floor together. Neither has any game beyond 3 feet. Baer and Wagner bust their talis, but are extremely challenged offensively. Jok has no help from a Big Ten PG or another scorer and is breaking down physically. Kriener hustles and does good things, but gets yanked never to return. Dailey sits all season, but looks super athletic when he does see the floor.

Our best 4 minutes of the game came with all but one starter on the bench. A really bad Illinois team dominated Iowa from start to finish. Clearly positionless basketball is alive and well at Iowa. The talent level on this team is an eyelash better than the Lickliter era. I would hope for transfers, but Fran has shown 0 ability to upgrade talent. The guard, not just PG situation, is a dumpster fire and that is being kind. Our starter can't handle any ball pressure and our backup can't shoot or make free throws. Moss is apparently not part of the present or future and will join the Dickerson, Hutton, Fleming train out of Iowa City. You bench a kid from Illinois for the two road games in Illinois and put him in for the last minute? Well done Fran.

Sounds legit.

 

[regibson1]

Wondering if the tune has changed for you? One game does not make a season but we looked better last nite than we have in a long time. Better players will always help but so will true team basketball. Our style of basketball will win a lot of games in the big and around college basketball, hope you can admit to it.

It also helps when we play OSU without a player with a bad back and achilles problem, our PG has recovered from the flu and we are playing at home. Jok has been hurt for the last few games and his offensive and defensive play has obviously been affected.

We may have played badly against Illinois but we still had a chance to win with 5:00 minutes left and it was an away game.
Hopefully Iowa can get a road win against Rutgers. Everyone knew this was going to be an up and down season but the level of talent on this team should not be questioned. We have some very talented young players who are only going to get better and better. They proved it against Michigan, Purdue and Ohio State.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

Good post, regibson1.