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Possibility Nunge Redshirts?

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I have not heard much about this possibility

We have a lot of bodies at the 4/5 spot. Minutes will be hard to find for Uhl, Wagner let alone Nunge if Cook/Pemsel play 25 min a game and Kriener/Garza get 10. Baer will play some 4 as well.

He may not want to but it looks like a possibility.
 
I am certainly no expert, but IMO, whatever minutes Uhl gets will be at the 3. I think Wagner will be behind Nunge on the depth chart by the start of the B10 season provided Nunge can defend. Depending on the opponent, I could see Nunge getting minutes at the 3, 4 or 5. He has a rare skill set, can shoot from anywhere and has decent handles. I also doubt Baer will see any minutes at the 4. We want bangers at the 4/5.
 
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I have not heard much about this possibility

We have a lot of bodies at the 4/5 spot. Minutes will be hard to find for Uhl, Wagner let alone Nunge if Cook/Pemsel play 25 min a game and Kriener/Garza get 10. Baer will play some 4 as well.

He may not want to but it looks like a possibility.
  • First, Fran said he would not redshirt him...and I understand things can change, but Fran was pretty adamant about playing players that are ready.
  • Fran is a win today coach. Any player that can help you win 1 or 2 extra games plays. We need to make it to the big dance. Nunge probably helps us with his shooting and length. We'll have to see how his defense is in the Big Ten.
  • With all of this talent, I believe Baer stays out at small forward.
  • Injuries happen. You don't want him to not play in the non conference games and then have to play him in conference games without any experience. That injury could happen 4 games in of conference games. Win today.
  • If he is not physically ready to play, fine, redshirt him. I don't believe that is the case.
 
I believe Fran said a couple months back that Nunge and Garza will play.

My opinion is that Fran expects to have a very good team and to win some games this year. Nunge has that skill set (as mentioned) that could cause defenses to mire in the muddle of empty confusion. Especially second team units that are often not so adept at defense in the first place.

I can see Fran toying with opponents putting Nunge at the three behind Baer, or even play Baer and Nunge together at the wings. In the motion, with Cook, Pemsl, Kriener and Garza? What two guard in the league, or three for that matter, can handle it finding themselves being posted up by Baer or Nunge?

And still, our outside shooting is only weak at the PF slot!

Of course this requires use of our several different zone defenses. But that is a likely situation anyway so why not embrace it and go big?

Just for fun. I present our big lineup.

PG Moss: He brought the ball up for Simeon quite often. Could this be an option for our backup pg?
SG Baer: Two years ago, without mention or discussion later, Fran would sneak Baer into the two spot on occassion.
WF Nunge: Outside, shooting over smaller guys, much like Baer at the two. Inside drawing mismatches of distinct proportions, much like Baer at the two.
PF Cook or Pemsl: Can still create space for them as everyone else can step out.
C Kriener or Garza: Simply a twin tower share of the post...much like Woody and Gabe did except with the threat of a three now and then.

It's an option. Buys relief for JBo. Takes concern away from backup pg a bit. Not to say Williams nor Ellingson will not workout. But does my foolish lineup not put the top eight guys on the court, if Nunge is better than Ellingson and that's not for certain.

Our offense is a motion offense that relies on passing, not dribbling around, to open up space and create open shots. It never hurts to be 6'8" and 6'11" when passing over people.

And suddenly our guard spots get that much deeper.
 
I believe Fran said a couple months back that Nunge and Garza will play.

My opinion is that Fran expects to have a very good team and to win some games this year. Nunge has that skill set (as mentioned) that could cause defenses to mire in the muddle of empty confusion. Especially second team units that are often not so adept at defense in the first place.

I can see Fran toying with opponents putting Nunge at the three behind Baer, or even play Baer and Nunge together at the wings. In the motion, with Cook, Pemsl, Kriener and Garza? What two guard in the league, or three for that matter, can handle it finding themselves being posted up by Baer or Nunge?

And still, our outside shooting is only weak at the PF slot!

Of course this requires use of our several different zone defenses. But that is a likely situation anyway so why not embrace it and go big?

Just for fun. I present our big lineup.

PG Moss: He brought the ball up for Simeon quite often. Could this be an option for our backup pg?
SG Baer: Two years ago, without mention or discussion later, Fran would sneak Baer into the two spot on occassion.
WF Nunge: Outside, shooting over smaller guys, much like Baer at the two. Inside drawing mismatches of distinct proportions, much like Baer at the two.
PF Cook or Pemsl: Can still create space for them as everyone else can step out.
C Kriener or Garza: Simply a twin tower share of the post...much like Woody and Gabe did except with the threat of a three now and then.

It's an option. Buys relief for JBo. Takes concern away from backup pg a bit. Not to say Williams nor Ellingson will not workout. But does my foolish lineup not put the top eight guys on the court, if Nunge is better than Ellingson and that's not for certain.

Our offense is a motion offense that relies on passing, not dribbling around, to open up space and create open shots. It never hurts to be 6'8" and 6'11" when passing over people.

And suddenly our guard spots get that much deeper.

Dan, I like the zone defense idea. I think of years past when Syracuse had their seemingly impenetrable zone defense. It seems they were built on length more than quickness. It's fun to toy around with the idea.

I also submit the idea of a "smaller/quicker" lineup if we needed to play man defense against a team that lacked real size.

1 - Williams
2 - Moss
3 - Dailey ?
4 - Wagner/Cook
5 - Cook/Wagner

It is sure fun to play around with these scenarios.
 
Dan, I like the zone defense idea. I think of years past when Syracuse had their seemingly impenetrable zone defense. It seems they were built on length more than quickness. It's fun to toy around with the idea.

I also submit the idea of a "smaller/quicker" lineup if we needed to play man defense against a team that lacked real size.

1 - Williams
2 - Moss
3 - Dailey ?
4 - Wagner/Cook
5 - Cook/Wagner

It is sure fun to play around with these scenarios.

Others could certainly step up and prove themselves, but my concern with that lineup would be lack of proven scorers outside of Moss and Cook.
 
Others could certainly step up and prove themselves, but my concern with that lineup would be lack of proven scorers outside of Moss and Cook.

I thought about that too Franklin, could always slide J.Bo in for Williams. The original thought was we would be getting something out of Dailey from a slashing/scoring standpoint.
 
No.

Unless injured a scholarship player has not redshirted under Fran at Iowa (and then stayed to play) as far as I can remember. (Baer - walkon at time, Uthoff - xfr and walkon 1st year, Ellingson - injured)

Correction, I beleive the big kid from GA redshirted and then played sparingly as RS Fr, before leaving.

And if we apply the Dale Jones precident to Ellingson you see where people are having the discussion about whom may not be back next year.
 
Pretty sure Moss redshirted

No.

Unless injured a scholarship player has not redshirted under Fran at Iowa (and then stayed to play) as far as I can remember. (Baer - walkon at time, Uthoff - xfr and walkon 1st year, Ellingson - injured)

Correction, I beleive the big kid from GA redshirted and then played sparingly as RS Fr, before leaving.

And if we apply the Dale Jones precident to Ellingson you see where people are having the discussion about whom may not be back next year.
 
Until Daily, Williams, and now Nunge prove themselves in games, I won't hold my breath. I thought Nunge was going to do great, but if my memory is correct his European trip didn't come out very well in any area. Seems like his 3 shooting was way down, rebounds too. Hope it changes tho.
 
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I thought about that too Franklin, could always slide J.Bo in for Williams. The original thought was we would be getting something out of Dailey from a slashing/scoring standpoint.

Yep, Dailey is probably the wild card there. I think he has that potential anyway.
 
I would also be very surprised if Nunge redshirts. His skill set gives Fran the possibility of some very interesting lineups. For example, if Wagner and Nunge are on the court together, they might be 3/4s, with Wagner as the 4 on the offensive end, and Nunge the 4 on the defensive end. If Nunge gets a lot of time at 3, it would probably mean that Dailey is going to get very little time, unless caused by injuries.
 
  • First, Fran said he would not redshirt him.
  • Fran is a win today coach. Nunge probably helps us with his shooting and length. Win today.
  • If he is not physically ready to play, fine, redshirt him. I don't believe that is the case.
This. Win today. Recruit for tomorrow. It's the Fran way.
 
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Dailey is tall, skinny, black and a lefty. That's the only similarities to Augmon I see. Dailey should be playing at Maryland Eastern Shore with his skill set and not at Iowa. However, he would have been a key player when Lick was here.
I don't understand the infatuation some of you have for Dailey. He hasn't shown much.
 
Dailey is tall, skinny, black and a lefty. That's the only similarities to Augmon I see. Dailey should be playing at Maryland Eastern Shore with his skill set and not at Iowa. However, he would have been a key player when Lick was here.
I don't understand the infatuation some of you have for Dailey. He hasn't shown much.

My guess is he transfers after this year. Hope he proves me wrong thou & becomes a star.
 
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Yeah....short term memory goes at my age.

He's likely exception due to him arriving late and wanting him to get adjusted academically.


Pretty sure Moss redshirted

No.

Unless injured a scholarship player has not redshirted under Fran at Iowa (and then stayed to play) as far as I can remember. (Baer - walkon at time, Uthoff - xfr and walkon 1st year, Ellingson - injured)

Correction, I beleive the big kid from GA redshirted and then played sparingly as RS Fr, before leaving.

And if we apply the Dale Jones precident to Ellingson you see where people are having the discussion about whom may not be back next year.
 
No.

Unless injured a scholarship player has not redshirted under Fran at Iowa (and then stayed to play) as far as I can remember. (Baer - walkon at time, Uthoff - xfr and walkon 1st year, Ellingson - injured)

Correction, I beleive the big kid from GA redshirted and then played sparingly as RS Fr, before leaving.

And if we apply the Dale Jones precident to Ellingson you see where people are having the discussion about whom may not be back next year.
As you mentioned Kyle Meyer redshirted, as did Brandon Hutton, and Isaiah Moss. Moss wasn't due to injury, and I don't think Hutton was either. IIRC. I do think it was for academic reasons in the case of Moss and Hutton.

Fran has already stated Nunge and Garza will play. Nunge was skinny when we started recruiting him, but he's already put on all the weight the staff wanted (per one of his interviews).
 
Dailey is tall, skinny, black and a lefty. That's the only similarities to Augmon I see. Dailey should be playing at Maryland Eastern Shore with his skill set and not at Iowa. However, he would have been a key player when Lick was here.
I don't understand the infatuation some of you have for Dailey. He hasn't shown much.

You remind me of some of the people that were completely down on Bohannon before he even saw the floor. If he shows flashes even remotely close to what Moss did last year, after having a full year under his belt, I will be ecstatic. The idea of a tall, slasher type that can handle the ball and see the floor well is pretty intriguing to me. Sorry to be so positive. Good lord.
 
Dan, I like the zone defense idea. I think of years past when Syracuse had their seemingly impenetrable zone defense. It seems they were built on length more than quickness. It's fun to toy around with the idea.

I also submit the idea of a "smaller/quicker" lineup if we needed to play man defense against a team that lacked real size.

1 - Williams
2 - Moss
3 - Dailey ?
4 - Wagner/Cook
5 - Cook/Wagner

It is sure fun to play around with these scenarios.
who is the scorer out of these 3?
Williams
Dailey
Wagner
that just leaves Moss and Cook,
a better short type of team
6'0 JBo
6'4 Ellingson
6'5 Moss
6'7Baer
6'8 Pemsl as the only one with limited range to 15-17',
 
Dailey is tall, skinny, black and a lefty. That's the only similarities to Augmon I see. Dailey should be playing at Maryland Eastern Shore with his skill set and not at Iowa. However, he would have been a key player when Lick was here.
I don't understand the infatuation some of you have for Dailey. He hasn't shown much.
I don't understand you guys that have written off Dailey. Because he couldn't beat out a 3rd year player in Ellingson, during a FR year that he should have RS ? Brady is exactly what coaches want in a backup in that he doesn't make mistakes. Really all we've seen from Maishe is a few scrap minutes early last year, high school tape and PTL. From that small sample size he seems to have your prototypical size and skill set from a small forward.
 
I don't understand you guys that have written off Dailey. Because he couldn't beat out a 3rd year player in Ellingson, during a FR year that he should have RS ? Brady is exactly what coaches want in a backup in that he doesn't make mistakes. Really all we've seen from Maishe is a few scrap minutes early last year, high school tape and PTL. From that small sample size he seems to have your prototypical size and skill set from a small forward.

Good post. I view last year as a red shirt season for Dailey. I am really excited to see what he brings this year, very unique skill set.
 
If Dailey can prove to be a stout defender he’ll earn minutes. Keeping the opposing SF out of the lane is always key. He’s long enough to scrape down and help on penetration from the top of the key, and long enough to recover.

Is he quick enough though? That’s what I wonder.
 
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Good post. I view last year as a red shirt season for Dailey. I am really excited to see what he brings this year, very unique skill set.
The real question is whether he can earn more than mop up minutes. None of us know yet, so there is no reason to be negative or positive at this point. I do think that he will be likely to transfer if he doesn't earn place in the rotation. Tough competition.
 
Coach Francis appeared on the "On Iowa Live" show this past Monday had some interesting things to say. He is in parts 4-6 on this website.

http://www.kcrg.com/content/sports/On-Iowa-Live-for-Oct-9-2017-450182163.html
Thanks for the link. Coach Francis did a nice job, and dropped a nugget that caught my attention. He said it hasn't been decided yet whether Connor will redshirt. Stated he's been practicing well, despite splitting time between baseball and basketball. That's not surprising considering his father is the HC.
 
Thanks for the link. Coach Francis did a nice job, and dropped a nugget that caught my attention. He said it hasn't been decided yet whether Connor will redshirt. Stated he's been practicing well, despite splitting time between baseball and basketball. That's not surprising considering his father is the HC.

Yeah! That's a tag team at point I can't wait to see! (And imagine we maybe can afford to wait a year....speaks well if Williams and Ellingson...but...;)

 
Jason, I don't think you can find one of my posts that has anything disparaging about Jordan Bohannon. So don't put me in a group I don't belong. Also, you can view last year as a red shirt year, but, it wasn't. He has blown a year and not shown a thing. This roster is no longer a development on the fly roster. We have many skilled players and we don't have minutes for those who aren't ready for the Big 10.

I'm not being negative, but rather a realist. I like our team but all 13 guys aren't going to play. We are attracting really good players as recruits and we need some scholarships to open up in the future. And yes I know the kid from Kentucky is willing to walk on his first. year. I also don't care if Fran's boys don't get 4 years of scholarships. In-state tuition isn't too expensive for a parent who makes over 2 mil a year but that's up to Fran.
this is a forum where people express their opinion and all I'm doing is expressing mine.
We don't have to agree, in fact if we did their wouldn't be much on these boards.
 
Jason, I don't think you can find one of my posts that has anything disparaging about Jordan Bohannon. So don't put me in a group I don't belong. Also, you can view last year as a red shirt year, but, it wasn't. He has blown a year and not shown a thing. This roster is no longer a development on the fly roster. We have many skilled players and we don't have minutes for those who aren't ready for the Big 10.

I'm not being negative, but rather a realist. I like our team but all 13 guys aren't going to play. We are attracting really good players as recruits and we need some scholarships to open up in the future. And yes I know the kid from Kentucky is willing to walk on his first. year. I also don't care if Fran's boys don't get 4 years of scholarships. In-state tuition isn't too expensive for a parent who makes over 2 mil a year but that's up to Fran.
this is a forum where people express their opinion and all I'm doing is expressing mine.
We don't have to agree, in fact if we did their wouldn't be much on these boards.

If I'm not mistaken, you post on the Halo Hawkeye Lounge don't you? I don't but I'm pretty sure I've read many of your posts over there. You seem much happier with the basketball program these days. :) Although, I think Dailey did get a bit of the old doughawk on this thread. A little rough, imo.

So, when did that pile of steaming dung go private? Kind of hard to see when posters are giving away Premium info from the HR Lounge now...and I'm NOT about to join the thing. (The Halo Lounge...always thought that was kind of a creepy thing to do.)
 
Dan, I'm not sure what the Halo Hawkeye Lounge is. This is my 654th post since 2002. That's an average of under 44 per year. I'm guessing you have me confused with someone else.
I don't understand your second paragraph above, maybe not directed at me.
I have been a hawk fan since the early 60's and call things the way I see them. I'm a Hawk homer to most everyone but don't feel I need to be that way on a Hawkeye fan site.
 
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Dan, I'm not sure what the Halo Hawkeye Lounge is. This is my 654th post since 2002. That's an average of under 44 per year. I'm guessing you have me confused with someone else.
I don't understand your second paragraph above, maybe not directed at me.
I have been a hawk fan since the early 60's and call things the way I see them. I'm a Hawk homer to most everyone but don't feel I need to be that way on a Hawkeye fan site.

Thanks. I glad you aren't the guy I was thinking of.

Yeah, the second paragraph has nothing to do with you since you aren't that other guy.
 
Guys, we are finally beginning to consistently recruit desirable talent,... Once you get into that mode there is no reason to redshirt anyone. Play them while you have them because there are more coming...
 
Until Daily, Williams, and now Nunge prove themselves in games, I won't hold my breath. I thought Nunge was going to do great, but if my memory is correct his European trip didn't come out very well in any area. Seems like his 3 shooting was way down, rebounds too. Hope it changes tho.
He looked like our best rim protector in the game i watched and ran the floor very well for his size. I think he looks more like a 5 than a 3 and would like to see a three headed monster at the 5 with Garza, Kriener and Nunge. Lots of people seem to want him at the 3 for offensive mismatches, but he would create a completely different set of mismatches at the 5, and is better suited defensively at the 5 at this point. He was much more filled out than i was expecting
 
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If this is the case, do you see him starting and if so, what do you see as the starting lineup?

yes, he’ll start eventually depending on his defense. at the 3 or 4 like Uthoff was used. Fran has so many versatile position guys they play positionless basketball aside from point guard anyways.

I love Baer don’t get me wrong but i think Nunge will be team’s star along with Moss.

JBo
Moss
Nunge
Cook
Kreiner

6.Baer
7.Pemsl
8.Garza
9.Ellingson
10.Williams

Fran has a habit of forcing PT onto Seniors so Uhl will get minutes. Wish he would have head in game 100% of time on the floor and just react instead of spectating though.
 
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Unless we see a dramatic improvement in defense from the other guys, we need Baer on the court at least 20 min/game, and probably more. I am not sure how you can best measure his impact, but at times, opposing coaches and players must wonder if there is more than one Baer out there. It doesn't matter if he starts.
 
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