Potential for #1 Seed?
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What an effed up world we live in when Michigan and Alabama won their conferences, but aren’t their respective conference’s best teams (Illinois and Arkansas, respectively)
Gonzaga won at BYU (NET 20) less than a month ago, has absolutely dominated their conference and has multiple high quality non-conference wins. Alabama has done none of that. Nice cute "says hi" response, though.
Cool. I guess since I was stating opinion and not fact, "almost" wasn't out of line.
And Alabama beat #29 LSU about a month ago. It’s cool Gonzaga has dominated their conference during their 2 month vacation. They are still the best team in CBB but my original point stands. Of course you added additional qualifiers because your original statement sucked.
Nothing wrong with my original statement, and your original "point" is just an opinion different from my own. Gonzaga has what I consider a high quality win in the past 2 months (road win at top 20 NET) and Alabama does not. It is one of many reasons why I don't think 'Bama deserves any consideration for a #1 seed, which was the original discussion.
Not so strange. In fact, I'd say this happens in one of the major conferences almost every year, if by "best team" you mean the team playing the best at the end of the season.
Bama doesn’t deserve consideration for a 2 seed either. If they played a B1G conference slate they’d finish around .500.
No #1 seeds are going to be decided on selection Sunday. Right now it’s Gonzaga, Baylor, Illinois and Michigan. Some things can change between now and then but we’re 0-2 against Michigan and Illinois.
Let’s beat Nebraska and Wisconsin before we win the BTT.
I plain disagree. If Iowa wins their next 4 (Including over IL in BTT semis), very easy for Committee to have a #1 seed slot and a #2 seed slot both labeled IOWA/ILLINOIS, with intention of giving Iowa the #1 if they beat Michigan in BTT Championship.
Let's hope we get to find out for sure, eh?
I think at this point that Gonzaga, Michigan and Baylor are all virtual locks for #1 seeds (and deservedly so). There’s not much those teams could do in the next 10 days to play themselves off the 1 line.
So it comes down to #4. Right now, Illinois has the edge, especially with tonight’s thumping of Michigan. If they win the BTT, they’re probably the last #1. If Iowa wins the BTT, then Illinois takes a loss and Iowa may likely passes them. At that point, you’re right that the primary challenge would come from Alabama/WV if they run to conference tourney titles. Otherwise, the only other stretch contenders could be Houston/Villanova/FSU, but I don’t think any of them could do enough unless Michigan beats a B1G ”nobody” for the conference title and Iowa, Illinois and OSU all lose earlier than expected.
I just want a seed of 3 or better. And to be in the Bracket with Alabama/WV as the #1 or #2 seeds!
Iowa would not be a lock for #4, but if Iowa wins out and wins BTT, who else is getting the #4 slot? An Illinois team that has the same number of losses and just lost to Iowa (or lost in the game before Iowa)? There’s a chance, but I’m not sure it’s high. If Iowa wins BTT, then OSU takes at least one more loss and they’d be out of the discussion. Would WV or Bama move past an Iowa team that doesn’t lose by winning their conference tourneys in inferior conferences? There’s a chance, but I have a hard time calling it likely.
The fact that it's March 2 and we're arguing whether Iowa has a shot at #1 seed has got me giddy.
Yeah, and if Iowa beats Illinois or if Illinois loses before playing Iowa in the B1G, there’s plenty of chance for those rankings to change. As for Houston and Alabama, there’s a chance, but if Iowa wins the B1G by beating Wisc/MD, Illinois, Michigan, you don’t think they’ll get a bump over whoever Houston and Bama beat?
“If...”. Sure, “if” all of that happens, the net moves.
But there are a hell of a lot of ifs that have to happen in your scenario.
If Iowa wins out, they’re national champs. Why worry about seeding? Come on. Seriously, “if” we’re beating Illinois and/or Michigan and or OSU/Wisc/Maryland etc. over 3 days, why worry about facing Baylor or Gonzaga at all?
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Hell yes and I hope we do let’s take care of business these next 2 contests and win the BTC ... tourney then we are a shoe in
This.
The endgame here is not getting a no. 1 seed. Sure it would be nice, but anyone who wins the national title won’t do it because of an easy path. It will be earned regardless of seeding.
Well, that’s what these threads are for, discussing “if”. That’s the whole point.
The biggest “if” is whether Iowa can win the B1G tourney. That’s literally the entire premise of this discussion. You make it sound like 97 things have to break for this stuff to happen, it’s just not true. That has absolutely nothing to do with Gonzaga or Baylor, either. As I said in an earlier post, I don’t even think there’s any way for Michigan to play their way off the #1 line, even after getting smashed by Illinois.
**IF** Iowa wins that tournament then, by definition, Michigan, Illinois and Ohio State will take losses. The reality is that there’s really a single #1 seed up for play at this point. The contenders are Illinois (driver’s seat), Iowa, West Virginia, Alabama and Houston. With the exception of maybe Illinois, any of those teams probably have to win their league tournament to get the #1.
I no longer think Iowa is legitimately in the running for a 1 seed unless Illinois loses to OSU and loses their first round game in the BTT. Then Iowa would have to run the table. Tall task.
Had we beaten Michigan we'd be in this discussion. We didn't, so ...No.
Would I love to see Iowa win the Big Ten Tournament, sure, but Fran's history in this tournament is abysmal and I doubt Iowa will buck that trend.
Anyway winning 3 games in 3 days is a draining experience and I'm not sure Garza needs that extra pounding he would get from playing Illinois or Michigan.
Win the first game and I still think Iowa will be a 2 seed and any additional rest Iowa gets until the start of the NCAA tournament will go a long way in helping Iowa get the the second week....
Anyway winning 3 games in 3 days is a draining experience and I'm not sure Garza needs that extra pounding he would get from playing Illinois or Michigan.
Win the first game and I still think Iowa will be a 2 seed and any additional rest Iowa gets until the start of the NCAA tournament will go a long way in helping Iowa get the the second week....
I’m certainly not going to cry about a 2 seed. I hope Nova/FSU ends up a 3 in our region. Especially Nova. We owe them some payback.
Christ....
This is why our fans drive me nuts.
A two seed is fantastic but we need to count wins before they happen and speculate about a 1 so when it doesn’t all come to pass, it will be one more thing Fran failed to do.
I don’t get it but speculate away. It’s what these boards are for, I guess.
This is why our fans drive me nuts.
A two seed is fantastic but we need to count wins before they happen and speculate about a 1 so when it doesn’t all come to pass, it will be one more thing Fran failed to do.
I don’t get it but speculate away. It’s what these boards are for, I guess.
Still too many possibilities in the B1G as there are never any gimme’s, for example
Iowa could lose to Nebraska or Whisky or both
Michigan could lose 2 to Michigan State
Illinois lose to the Buckeyes
And this isn’t even taking the BTT into account
Iowa could lose to Nebraska or Whisky or both
Michigan could lose 2 to Michigan State
Illinois lose to the Buckeyes
And this isn’t even taking the BTT into account
exactly. Iowa could be anywhere from a 3-5 seed in the BTT at this point.
I love this: http://bball.notnothing.net/big10.php?sport=mbb
Not sure why there's even a Big Ten Tournament this year...no fans means no ticket revenue. Other then helping Michigan State, Indiana, or Minnesota there's no reason to put any Big Team that is already a lock to be in the NCAA Tournament to put themselves in jeopardy of player injury going forward.
Just looking at Iowa's perceptive, I've never liked the Big Ten Tournament, yes it helped us in 2000/01 and 2001/02 season to get a 8/9 seed in the tournament with the results of 1 win and 2 losses. Other then that Iowa's been a non factor playing in the Big Ten's post season tournament.
Just looking at Iowa's perceptive, I've never liked the Big Ten Tournament, yes it helped us in 2000/01 and 2001/02 season to get a 8/9 seed in the tournament with the results of 1 win and 2 losses. Other then that Iowa's been a non factor playing in the Big Ten's post season tournament.
I love conference tournaments because I’m a greedy fan who wants to watch as much CBB as possible. For example, the Horizon League games last night were off the charts good. I was watching those games on my phone while watching B1G action on TV. What can I say, I’m a junkie.
Probably not. Certainly not Nebraska. If I were betting money right now on Iowa’s seed, I’d bet on a #2. I think they’ll win the last two of the regular season but not win the B1G Tourney.
Ok I'll take a stab at this:
If Iowa loses either of these next two games, then a 3 seed seems most likely, and they would probably need to beat a team like Illinois and make the BTT finals to get back to a 2.
Win the next two, and at least make the BTT semis, then I think a 2 seed is a solid bet.
To get a 1 seed - I think they're probably going to have to win the next 5 in a row. Not likely this happens but not totally out of the question yet, either, IMO. Illinois beating Michigan last night didn't help.
If Iowa loses either of these next two games, then a 3 seed seems most likely, and they would probably need to beat a team like Illinois and make the BTT finals to get back to a 2.
Win the next two, and at least make the BTT semis, then I think a 2 seed is a solid bet.
To get a 1 seed - I think they're probably going to have to win the next 5 in a row. Not likely this happens but not totally out of the question yet, either, IMO. Illinois beating Michigan last night didn't help.
Which teams outside the top four have the best shot at a No. 1 seed?
Gonzaga, Baylor, Michigan and Illinois are each in the driver's seat for No. 1 seeds. But a handful of other teams still have a chance to break through.
