Who should Jok replace to correct the All American teams?
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Preseason All-American Teams - per NBC sports
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I think the easy answer is removing Creighton's Mo Watson and adding in Jok.....or removing really any of those incoming freshman.
I personally couldn't care less about preseason AA teams, the post season is what counts.
When you look at the numbers of the two, there's no way Jok shouldn't at least be 3rd team if Trimble is 2nd team.
Trimble= 14.4 pts / 1.2 steals / 3.6 rbds / 4.9 assists / .315 3pt% / .410 fg%
Jok= 16.2 pts / 1.3 steals / 3.5 rbds / 1.4 assists / .402 3pt% / .431 fg%
Trimble= 14.4 pts / 1.2 steals / 3.6 rbds / 4.9 assists / .315 3pt% / .410 fg%
Jok= 16.2 pts / 1.3 steals / 3.5 rbds / 1.4 assists / .402 3pt% / .431 fg%
I hate any preseason rankings of teams and athletes. Every year we are told who the Heisman Trophy favorites are. Same with national champions and so on. It then becomes incredibly hard for a team or individual to climb into the rankings. Any voting should always take place a month or two to see what teams/individuals really deserve to be ranked (and where) and what teams/individuals are considered to be not that good and don't deserve to be ranked, sometimes at all, or not nearly as high as one would have thought.
Oh so noble grasshopper. You do understand you sounding like a 60's hippie that just wants peace in the world. If you asked 100 coaches, 99% of them would concur with you. Then ask them if they want it your way when they have to take away all of the media rights money, then you will probably get a different answer, especially those coaches making 2 million per year or more. The media wants advertisers, so they have to have programming that gets ratings. They fill the time of day with preseason polls when there is nothing else to talk about. My suggestion to you is to get use to it, or go watch high school sports.
Anyone else think that Mon-Tay Morris may be a bit overrated. I know there's been talk in Cyclone country about possibly having the best backcourt in the nation; or how they may go to a 4 guard lineup.
Niang was basically unstoppable (and perhaps underutilized). He drew so much attention from the defenses, whether in transition or the halfcourt offense, that it certainly made things easier on the guards. And to expect Naz Long to pick up where he left off after his surgeries is certainly questionable.
And yes, my skepticism is born of spite.
Niang was basically unstoppable (and perhaps underutilized). He drew so much attention from the defenses, whether in transition or the halfcourt offense, that it certainly made things easier on the guards. And to expect Naz Long to pick up where he left off after his surgeries is certainly questionable.
And yes, my skepticism is born of spite.
Anyone else think that Mon-Tay Morris may be a bit overrated. I know there's been talk in Cyclone country about possibly having the best backcourt in the nation; or how they may go to a 4 guard lineup.
Niang was basically unstoppable (and perhaps underutilized). He drew so much attention from the defenses, whether in transition or the halfcourt offense, that it certainly made things easier on the guards. And to expect Naz Long to pick up where he left off after his surgeries is certainly questionable.
And yes, my skepticism is born of spite.
What PG is better than Monte? He averaged 1 point less than Trimble but 2 more assists and one less turnover per game and Monte was much more efficient than him
Don't be offended; it was a good-natured jab. I would trade Morris for any one Hawkeye player right now other than Jok: I really wish he was wearing the black and gold.
There were games this year when ISU got down later in the game and Niang would just take over; it occurred to me that the guy could have averaged 40 pts a game if they had chosen to let him try.
Still think he's a prick though.
And still think Morris will miss him a LOT next year. Time will tell.Don't be offended; it was a good-natured jab. I would trade Morris for any one Hawkeye player right now other than Jok: I really wish he was wearing the black and gold.
There were games this year when ISU got down later in the game and Niang would just take over; it occurred to me that the guy could have averaged 40 pts a game if they had chosen to let him try.
Still think he's a prick though.
Still can't believe Fran didn't offer him because of Clemmons and Gesell
Yeah I'd hate Niang if he played for another team and he'll probably never play in the NBA but man he was a heck of a college basketball player. Truly special
Agree on Niang. And after their performance against ISU as freshman who would have thought that Clemmons and Gessell would have progressed the way they did. Still love 'em both, but you can't have seniors turning the ball over and clunking free throws at the end of the season.
They offered Hogue and Matthews that year too so I don't think they were holding out for Jok. I always thought Matthews was the #1 want in that class for Fran and rightfully so because he's a stud. The only thing I know about the Fran's is he said the reason they didn't offer is because they were comfortable with Gesell and Clemmons.
This makes a whole lot of no fukin sense. I can still hear Dickie V gargling Trimbles balls from when we played them this year. He played like Jackie Moon that game and Dick still couldn't let go of his cock.
Not sure you can actually surmise so much from your info. First, we did have two point guards already, plus Marble. We had one scholarship to give. I've provided a link to the 2013 offers. Morris is not even on it.
https://iowa.n.rivals.com/offers/basketball/2013
Please note there were plenty of players offered. We were not going to sign them all. Just like this year we've plenty of offers out to 2017 guys and we are very limited on how many we can take.
If you look at the link and explore a bit you notice that Matthews committed to Rhode Island on 8/22. He had just visited Iowa on the 8th of that month. I think it is pure conjecture to say we wanted him more than Jok. Check out his college stats. Next, Hogue? Heck, Jok committed before Hogue so I don't follow the logic that we were holding out for Hogue at all.
And finally, there is the well documented long term loyalty that McCaffery showed Jok. There is nothing that can be argued there.
So. Your point #1 that they offered Hogue and Matthews? Others can compare to our offers this year and decide if picking out a couple names disqualifies Jok as a player we stayed loyal to.
Your point #2 that you always thought Matthews was our number one want? I have to say his stats show he isn't a stud. And that is before he was injured last year. Here are the studs stats:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66402/ec-matthews
Your point #3. Completely agree Fran said that. With a one player recruiting class why would he have signed a fourth point guard?
I assumed Matthews was the #1 want because if I remember correctly Jok wasn't offered until it was known Matthews was not going to Iowa. That's just my thoughts not implying Jok was a fallback I just think Matthews was probably the #1 want in the class but I very well could be wrong. Also Matthews is a stud I don't know how you could deny that
His stats are right there in the link. He's had more turnovers than assists in his career. His shooting is tolerable if you call about .335 from three tolerable. He does take a lot of shots if that is what you mean by a stud.
As to when Jok was offered?
http://www.thegazette.com/2012/09/23/wdm-valley-basketball-guard-peter-jok-picks-iowa
The offer would have come before Matthews committed to Rhode Island by several days. But again, it seems to me you are trying to read too hard into not much and ignoring the known facts, Hopefully you will read this link of three I've provided. It will help your knowledge.
Marble was a career 33% shooter from 3 and that was tolerable. Matthews is a stud you're out of your mind on this one Dan
Iowa's overall record would be better if they had Morris instead of Clemmons or Gesell and you know that. How can a Hawkeye fan not admit Fran missed on Morris?
Marble's stats. You already have Mathews.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/97656/
Yeah I want a player agiving up more turnovers than he tosses assists. Especially a 6'4" shooting guard hitting around 331/2 percent of his threes. I'd be crazy not to believe the guy is a stud.
Matthews is going to play in the NBA, was the conference freshman of the year and one of 16 finalists for the Jerry West award as a sophomore. When NBCSports did their top 100 players in college basketball he was #46. I have no clue why you're trying to discredit him
Now we miss when we don't even offer.
Instead of Clemmons or Gesell? So we were supposed to drive one off?
I'm just showing his stats! If that is discrediting him, that's his own fault. I think it may be discrediting you quite a bit to keep claiming he's a stud. And, I don't care what or who your predict to have happen in the NBA. I follow college ball.
Go look! I've linked them both. (DanL grumbles...I like talking basketball with basketball fans...THIS stuff is why I get grumbly now and then.
)I have no clue why you don't think he's a stud. He averaged over 15 ppg as an underclassmen and had the same 3 pt percentage as Marble who's a stud and he's only going to get better
How about I post minutes, everything..........and we take a vote if Matthews was a "stud". If he wasn't, you go away forever.
Sophomore years:Marble:
2011-12 35 games, 1031min, 139 makes, 319 attempts, 43.6 fg %, 22 3pt, 56 attempts, 39.3 3pt%, 102 ft's, 141 attempts, 72.3%, 133 reb, 126 assists, 61 turnovers, 53 steals, 402 points.
Should I compare that to Matthews? You want to put a wager on it?
Ah Heck, Matthews:
2014-15 1052min, 172-420 .410, 68-209 .325, 130-177 .734, 146 reb, 63 assists, 24 steals, 115 turnovers, 542
Yeah! I love a guy shooting 209 threes and making only 68! And 115 turnovers to just 63 assists. Yeah, DanL is crazy not to say this kid is a stud. Took his team to the NIT and won ONE game!!!
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How about I post minutes, everything..........and we take a vote if Matthews was a "stud". If he wasn't, you go away forever.
Marble:
2011-12 35 games, 1031min, 139 makes, 319 attempts, 43.6 fg %, 22 3pt, 56 attempts, 39.3 3pt%, 102 ft's, 141 attempts, 72.3%, 133 reb, 126 assists, 61 turnovers, 53 steals, 402 points.
Should I compare that to Matthews? You want to put a wager on it?
Yeah compare that to Matthews please. I believe that was Marble's best shooting numbers and they went down when his volume went up.
Also there has to be someone sane on here who knows how good Matthews is to back this up. A preseason top 50 college basketball player in the entire country isn't a stud. I have no clue why you're arguing this one Dan I didn't take a shot at Iowa, Fran or Jok
You're right, E.C. Matthews isn't good. I'm surprised Fran offered him a scholarship
He missed almost all of last season with an injury. Not to wish ill on him but "only going to get better" I wish him the best.
another stupid post by you... ISU's overall record would be better if they had Uthoff...so what? Do you read anyone saying Hoiberg missed on Uthoff?
Morris has been a very good PG in college basketball...does that help you?
what a sorry ass.
46? wow that should impress those NBA scouts
lets see how many are drafted ? 60 ...wow that would put him mid 2nd round...course that list you refer to is dated 2014 for college ...doesn't include overseas drafted talent.
Carry on Mr.
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