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Professor Plum, Billiard Room, Candlestick? Nope, Title IX. Again.

Yeah, Title IX has been used+abused. Doesn't mean you can't celebrate good things that come from it, directly/indirectly.

I - like most I suspect - had no idea there was any Title IX relationship here. I see a good thing and cheer it on. I even have hopes they'll alternate men/women matches during duals so the meet can last longer. Give me two hours of wrestling instead of one. Title IX, lawsuit, whatever influenced the creation of the Women's Wrestling program ... the outcome is fantastic.
You start alternating men's and women's matches and you'll get a lot of empty seats masquerading as paying customers. That won't fly, IMO, people have a finite amount of time for "entertainment".

You could run them back to back with the same ticket for entrance (not likely because money right! LOL!), and people can decide for themselves when they show up and when they leave.

I personally will never attend a Women's dual meet at Iowa, but I wish them well regardless. Same goes for Iowa Women's Basketball. I'll drive many hours to watch the Men compete in both sports, because there is a difference and always will be and that's my personal preference and decision.

If someone wants to attend all of these events whether it be Men's or Women's, God Bless. Your time, your money.
 
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You said that gracefromabove was using facts. gracefromabove was using speculation and not facts and did use the word "probably".
his very first post did not use probably…you are referring to a subsequent post. What I posted were facts as well.
 
his very first post did not use probably…you are referring to a subsequent post. What I posted were facts as well.
I was referring to his post that I quoted. The opening post is mostly opinion too. I don't even know what you posted and won't look back either.
 
Having spent a fair amount of time at US Olympic or World Team qualifiers, I was very surprised to see recently at Carver, at Kinnick, and here in the cesspool how many Iowa wrestling fans are professed, ardent women's wrestling supporters. Quite the discrepancy between butts in seats at those national events, featuring competitions among your beloved women's wrestlers, and the number of heroic allies here. Each year at those various key tournaments, you were all surely just busy fundraising or cheering women's wrestling at King, McKendree, and Presbyterian, right? Also, as obliquely referenced in my prior posts, quite the discrepancy between fan support for Coach Chun and members of our returning national champions. Jaydin Eierman, in his first fan-inclusive home dual at Carver, didn't get a standing ovation when the fans first saw him walk to the mat versus Princeton, but Coach Chun did. Local son, Cobe Siebrecht, didn't get a 15 second ovation after his surprise first period domination and tech fall, but Coach Chun did. U23 World Champion, Tony Cassioppi, didn't get a standing ovation when he came to the mat the his first match since winning worlds, but Coach Chun did. For the record, I warmly welcomed Coach Chun with applause, but from Carver and this message board, one would think that Coach Chun was Coach Brands coming back from Virginia Tech rather than what she is--the face of a program implemented at this moment and with this salary due dominantly to a Title IX lawsuit settlement and its required timing.

The women's wrestling program at Iowa will be a financial negative on the athletic department, just like men's wrestling is a revenue net-negative at all but about 5 or 7 colleges. If women's wrestling were a viable program for major wrestling colleges like Iowa, Minnesota, OSU, tOSU, and PSU, then schools other than the only one that recently settled its Title IX lawsuit would have women's programs right now too. Although the past couple of years, which correlate with the relevant Title IX lawsuit itself, have seen Coach Brands articulate the angle of growing wrestling through the women's program, why had none of Brands, Gable, Carl, Tan Tom, or John John pushed women's wrestling programs through at their schools prior to a lawsuit if women's college wrestling is such a dominant strategy for wrestling overall? If those legends were not sufficiently powerful as individual champions for women's wrestling programs at their respective schools, why did they not ban together in a concerted effort with a unified voice? Those of you asserting misogyny or worse to my previous posts, is your position the same for all of these named ambassadors for wrestling? Are all of them unsophisticated louts too? After all, unlike me, they actually have voices familiar to and recognized by their respective athletic directors, their respective sports conferences, and USA Wrestling.

My view on why none of those schools have announced women's teams? It doesn't take a Bernanke, Krugman, or Summers to understand that Athletic Departments have limited money for all sports and that women's college sports generally, including women's wrestling, are a significant suck on the overall economics. Fans simply do not watch women's athletics at economically sustainable levels, whether in person, streamed, or on television. In large part, that's because fans, for whatever reasons, do not at an aggregate level find women's sports as compelling as men's sports. Iowa's women's wrestling program will be a financial parasite to Iowa's men's wrestling team--not so much in relation to the athletic department budget necessarily, but in relation to wrestling donors to the college wrestling team and HWC. And all the while, the university will do what universities and the NBA do. They'll try to cross sell the women's product to fans of the sport during the men's event, which means that we will all have to watch even more of the women, when our purses and wallets were actually opened in order to see the men wrestle.

Watching women when most fans are dominantly paying to see the men is exactly what happens at the US national events. Despite the fact that some of the national- and international-level women are fun to watch wrestle, most of the women's matches even at the national level are extremely lopsided and uninteresting due, admittedly, to a severe disparity between the best woman at each weight and the 4th best woman at those weights. Collectively, except for perhaps the first stand- alone women's event, you bold lovers of the women's wrestling product still won't buy independent, full-priced tickets to any stand-alone women's wrestling events at a level of more than 1,000 fans per event. That goes for college duals and international qualifying events alike. The female-only college events will look like non-Hawkeye duals at the Devaney Center, Hilton without Carl's Curtain, or wherever the heck Michigan State wrestles in East Lansing when not hosting the Big 10 Championships. Simply put, unsustainable and weak.
 
Why should a tax payer with, let's say 4 girls, see a portion of his money go toward growing school sports, but those sports are only for boys, so he is helping fund other kids while his girls have no opportunity to play?

Title IX didn't cut wrestling opportunities, admins and athletic directors did. Just because the system was started to only support boys sports, doesn't make it right. When it comes to youth sports, I don't understand anyone against giving both boy and girls the same opportunities, and since other than Football and sometimes BBall, most every single college sport loses money, what is the justification for only wasting money on boys sports?

I do appreciate you spell checking me, you are soooo cool. And if you haven't met anyone in wrestling that didn't support Title IX, you may want to expand your circle. You also say that Title IX has done little for women's sports? Do some research, because that is the most ridiculous thing said on HR since the OP. It pretty much invalidates anything you have to say.
I really have no idea how what I typed triggered you. Wow. Take a nap.
 
Having spent a fair amount of time at US Olympic or World Team qualifiers, I was very surprised to see recently at Carver, at Kinnick, and here in the cesspool how many Iowa wrestling fans are professed, ardent women's wrestling supporters. Quite the discrepancy between butts in seats at those national events, featuring competitions among your beloved women's wrestlers, and the number of heroic allies here. Each year at those various key tournaments, you were all surely just busy fundraising or cheering women's wrestling at King, McKendree, and Presbyterian, right? Also, as obliquely referenced in my prior posts, quite the discrepancy between fan support for Coach Chun and members of our returning national champions. Jaydin Eierman, in his first fan-inclusive home dual at Carver, didn't get a standing ovation when the fans first saw him walk to the mat versus Princeton, but Coach Chun did. Local son, Cobe Siebrecht, didn't get a 15 second ovation after his surprise first period domination and tech fall, but Coach Chun did. U23 World Champion, Tony Cassioppi, didn't get a standing ovation when he came to the mat the his first match since winning worlds, but Coach Chun did. For the record, I warmly welcomed Coach Chun with applause, but from Carver and this message board, one would think that Coach Chun was Coach Brands coming back from Virginia Tech rather than what she is--the face of a program implemented at this moment and with this salary due dominantly to a Title IX lawsuit settlement and its required timing.

The women's wrestling program at Iowa will be a financial negative on the athletic department, just like men's wrestling is a revenue net-negative at all but about 5 or 7 colleges. If women's wrestling were a viable program for major wrestling colleges like Iowa, Minnesota, OSU, tOSU, and PSU, then schools other than the only one that recently settled its Title IX lawsuit would have women's programs right now too. Although the past couple of years, which correlate with the relevant Title IX lawsuit itself, have seen Coach Brands articulate the angle of growing wrestling through the women's program, why had none of Brands, Gable, Carl, Tan Tom, or John John pushed women's wrestling programs through at their schools prior to a lawsuit if women's college wrestling is such a dominant strategy for wrestling overall? If those legends were not sufficiently powerful as individual champions for women's wrestling programs at their respective schools, why did they not ban together in a concerted effort with a unified voice? Those of you asserting misogyny or worse to my previous posts, is your position the same for all of these named ambassadors for wrestling? Are all of them unsophisticated louts too? After all, unlike me, they actually have voices familiar to and recognized by their respective athletic directors, their respective sports conferences, and USA Wrestling.

My view on why none of those schools have announced women's teams? It doesn't take a Bernanke, Krugman, or Summers to understand that Athletic Departments have limited money for all sports and that women's college sports generally, including women's wrestling, are a significant suck on the overall economics. Fans simply do not watch women's athletics at economically sustainable levels, whether in person, streamed, or on television. In large part, that's because fans, for whatever reasons, do not at an aggregate level find women's sports as compelling as men's sports. Iowa's women's wrestling program will be a financial parasite to Iowa's men's wrestling team--not so much in relation to the athletic department budget necessarily, but in relation to wrestling donors to the college wrestling team and HWC. And all the while, the university will do what universities and the NBA do. They'll try to cross sell the women's product to fans of the sport during the men's event, which means that we will all have to watch even more of the women, when our purses and wallets were actually opened in order to see the men wrestle.

Watching women when most fans are dominantly paying to see the men is exactly what happens at the US national events. Despite the fact that some of the national- and international-level women are fun to watch wrestle, most of the women's matches even at the national level are extremely lopsided and uninteresting due, admittedly, to a severe disparity between the best woman at each weight and the 4th best woman at those weights. Collectively, except for perhaps the first stand- alone women's event, you bold lovers of the women's wrestling product still won't buy independent, full-priced tickets to any stand-alone women's wrestling events at a level of more than 1,000 fans per event. That goes for college duals and international qualifying events alike. The female-only college events will look like non-Hawkeye duals at the Devaney Center, Hilton without Carl's Curtain, or wherever the heck Michigan State wrestles in East Lansing when not hosting the Big 10 Championships. Simply put, unsustainable and weak.
Please summarize- who are you mad at and why?
 
Please summarize- who are you mad at and why?
Title IX, (insert extremely large gap), the 5k to 6k ticket buyers who did not show up to Carver on Friday against Princeton, the 8k fans who cheered Coach Chun more vigorously and longer than members of the returning national championship 2020-2021 men's wrestling team, the superficial women's wrestling allies on this board who won't be buying season tickets to the Iowa women's college wrestling season but will staunchly defend an unsustainably high salary for the women's team coach. In that order.
 
"Leading the charge" by getting sued first isn't exactly an admirable form of leadership.

To each their own in terms of excitement, or lack thereof, related to the women's team, Coach Chun, and her $115k annual salary before escalations, but for the thousands in Carver's standing ovation Friday, make sure to ask yourselves why Iowa's Athletic Department wasn't forthcoming with the Title IX lawsuit during press conferences announcing the program, timing of creation, and new hire. Probably because the Athletic Department knows that being forced to create and hire under Title IX legal settlement, even though true, does not generate the excitement and belief among college wrestling fans that the rest of their public relations messaging spin garnered.
However it happened, it's a great thing, and it should have happened years ago. Maybe you would have rather had them add women's lacrosse, or women's hockey, but I don't. I like wrestling, whether it's men's or women's wrestling. More wrestling is better than less wrestling. I'm not going to let a chicken-sh*t troll spoil my day, my season, or my enthusiasm for Hawkeye wrestling. So take your whining, your p*ssing, and your moaning back to the rest home where you can fight with the other old guys about who gets to use the remote.
 
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Having spent a fair amount of time at US Olympic or World Team qualifiers, I was very surprised to see recently at Carver, at Kinnick, and here in the cesspool how many Iowa wrestling fans are professed, ardent women's wrestling supporters. Quite the discrepancy between butts in seats at those national events, featuring competitions among your beloved women's wrestlers, and the number of heroic allies here. Each year at those various key tournaments, you were all surely just busy fundraising or cheering women's wrestling at King, McKendree, and Presbyterian, right? Also, as obliquely referenced in my prior posts, quite the discrepancy between fan support for Coach Chun and members of our returning national champions. Jaydin Eierman, in his first fan-inclusive home dual at Carver, didn't get a standing ovation when the fans first saw him walk to the mat versus Princeton, but Coach Chun did. Local son, Cobe Siebrecht, didn't get a 15 second ovation after his surprise first period domination and tech fall, but Coach Chun did. U23 World Champion, Tony Cassioppi, didn't get a standing ovation when he came to the mat the his first match since winning worlds, but Coach Chun did. For the record, I warmly welcomed Coach Chun with applause, but from Carver and this message board, one would think that Coach Chun was Coach Brands coming back from Virginia Tech rather than what she is--the face of a program implemented at this moment and with this salary due dominantly to a Title IX lawsuit settlement and its required timing.

The women's wrestling program at Iowa will be a financial negative on the athletic department, just like men's wrestling is a revenue net-negative at all but about 5 or 7 colleges. If women's wrestling were a viable program for major wrestling colleges like Iowa, Minnesota, OSU, tOSU, and PSU, then schools other than the only one that recently settled its Title IX lawsuit would have women's programs right now too. Although the past couple of years, which correlate with the relevant Title IX lawsuit itself, have seen Coach Brands articulate the angle of growing wrestling through the women's program, why had none of Brands, Gable, Carl, Tan Tom, or John John pushed women's wrestling programs through at their schools prior to a lawsuit if women's college wrestling is such a dominant strategy for wrestling overall? If those legends were not sufficiently powerful as individual champions for women's wrestling programs at their respective schools, why did they not ban together in a concerted effort with a unified voice? Those of you asserting misogyny or worse to my previous posts, is your position the same for all of these named ambassadors for wrestling? Are all of them unsophisticated louts too? After all, unlike me, they actually have voices familiar to and recognized by their respective athletic directors, their respective sports conferences, and USA Wrestling.

My view on why none of those schools have announced women's teams? It doesn't take a Bernanke, Krugman, or Summers to understand that Athletic Departments have limited money for all sports and that women's college sports generally, including women's wrestling, are a significant suck on the overall economics. Fans simply do not watch women's athletics at economically sustainable levels, whether in person, streamed, or on television. In large part, that's because fans, for whatever reasons, do not at an aggregate level find women's sports as compelling as men's sports. Iowa's women's wrestling program will be a financial parasite to Iowa's men's wrestling team--not so much in relation to the athletic department budget necessarily, but in relation to wrestling donors to the college wrestling team and HWC. And all the while, the university will do what universities and the NBA do. They'll try to cross sell the women's product to fans of the sport during the men's event, which means that we will all have to watch even more of the women, when our purses and wallets were actually opened in order to see the men wrestle.

Watching women when most fans are dominantly paying to see the men is exactly what happens at the US national events. Despite the fact that some of the national- and international-level women are fun to watch wrestle, most of the women's matches even at the national level are extremely lopsided and uninteresting due, admittedly, to a severe disparity between the best woman at each weight and the 4th best woman at those weights. Collectively, except for perhaps the first stand- alone women's event, you bold lovers of the women's wrestling product still won't buy independent, full-priced tickets to any stand-alone women's wrestling events at a level of more than 1,000 fans per event. That goes for college duals and international qualifying events alike. The female-only college events will look like non-Hawkeye duals at the Devaney Center, Hilton without Carl's Curtain, or wherever the heck Michigan State wrestles in East Lansing when not hosting the Big 10 Championships. Simply put, unsustainable and weak.
So when you gonna buy YOUR season ticket to Hawkeye women's wrestling. :)
 
Having spent a fair amount of time at US Olympic or World Team qualifiers, I was very surprised to see recently at Carver, at Kinnick, and here in the cesspool how many Iowa wrestling fans are professed, ardent women's wrestling supporters. Quite the discrepancy between butts in seats at those national events, featuring competitions among your beloved women's wrestlers, and the number of heroic allies here. Each year at those various key tournaments, you were all surely just busy fundraising or cheering women's wrestling at King, McKendree, and Presbyterian, right? Also, as obliquely referenced in my prior posts, quite the discrepancy between fan support for Coach Chun and members of our returning national champions. Jaydin Eierman, in his first fan-inclusive home dual at Carver, didn't get a standing ovation when the fans first saw him walk to the mat versus Princeton, but Coach Chun did. Local son, Cobe Siebrecht, didn't get a 15 second ovation after his surprise first period domination and tech fall, but Coach Chun did. U23 World Champion, Tony Cassioppi, didn't get a standing ovation when he came to the mat the his first match since winning worlds, but Coach Chun did. For the record, I warmly welcomed Coach Chun with applause, but from Carver and this message board, one would think that Coach Chun was Coach Brands coming back from Virginia Tech rather than what she is--the face of a program implemented at this moment and with this salary due dominantly to a Title IX lawsuit settlement and its required timing.

The women's wrestling program at Iowa will be a financial negative on the athletic department, just like men's wrestling is a revenue net-negative at all but about 5 or 7 colleges. If women's wrestling were a viable program for major wrestling colleges like Iowa, Minnesota, OSU, tOSU, and PSU, then schools other than the only one that recently settled its Title IX lawsuit would have women's programs right now too. Although the past couple of years, which correlate with the relevant Title IX lawsuit itself, have seen Coach Brands articulate the angle of growing wrestling through the women's program, why had none of Brands, Gable, Carl, Tan Tom, or John John pushed women's wrestling programs through at their schools prior to a lawsuit if women's college wrestling is such a dominant strategy for wrestling overall? If those legends were not sufficiently powerful as individual champions for women's wrestling programs at their respective schools, why did they not ban together in a concerted effort with a unified voice? Those of you asserting misogyny or worse to my previous posts, is your position the same for all of these named ambassadors for wrestling? Are all of them unsophisticated louts too? After all, unlike me, they actually have voices familiar to and recognized by their respective athletic directors, their respective sports conferences, and USA Wrestling.

My view on why none of those schools have announced women's teams? It doesn't take a Bernanke, Krugman, or Summers to understand that Athletic Departments have limited money for all sports and that women's college sports generally, including women's wrestling, are a significant suck on the overall economics. Fans simply do not watch women's athletics at economically sustainable levels, whether in person, streamed, or on television. In large part, that's because fans, for whatever reasons, do not at an aggregate level find women's sports as compelling as men's sports. Iowa's women's wrestling program will be a financial parasite to Iowa's men's wrestling team--not so much in relation to the athletic department budget necessarily, but in relation to wrestling donors to the college wrestling team and HWC. And all the while, the university will do what universities and the NBA do. They'll try to cross sell the women's product to fans of the sport during the men's event, which means that we will all have to watch even more of the women, when our purses and wallets were actually opened in order to see the men wrestle.

Watching women when most fans are dominantly paying to see the men is exactly what happens at the US national events. Despite the fact that some of the national- and international-level women are fun to watch wrestle, most of the women's matches even at the national level are extremely lopsided and uninteresting due, admittedly, to a severe disparity between the best woman at each weight and the 4th best woman at those weights. Collectively, except for perhaps the first stand- alone women's event, you bold lovers of the women's wrestling product still won't buy independent, full-priced tickets to any stand-alone women's wrestling events at a level of more than 1,000 fans per event. That goes for college duals and international qualifying events alike. The female-only college events will look like non-Hawkeye duals at the Devaney Center, Hilton without Carl's Curtain, or wherever the heck Michigan State wrestles in East Lansing when not hosting the Big 10 Championships. Simply put, unsustainable and weak.

Dude... she got the job, you didn’t. Move on.

Thanks.
 
Why are you mad about people not showing up to Carver? They bought the tickets and decided for whatever reason not to come. The program still gets the money. My family lives at most 60 minutes from Carver so we are going to use our tickets as much as we can but if you bought tickets to assure that you have a seat for Penn State but live 4 hours away I'm not mad that you didn't make the drove for Princeton a dual we all new going on was not competitive. I guarantee this was the largest dual crowd Princeton sees all year.
 
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Why are you mad about people not showing up to Carver? They bought the tickets and decided for whatever reason not to come. The program still gets the money. My family lives at most 60 minutes from Carver so we are going to use our tickets as much as we can but if you bought tickets to assure that you have a seat for Penn State but live 4 hours away I'm not mad that you didn't make the drove for Princeton a dual we all new going on was not competitive. I guarantee this was the largest dual crowd Princeton sees all year.
I live 5 1/2 hours away and I'll make every home dual plus Nebraska.

Some people just need to bitch to hear themselves bitch.
 
Title IX, (insert extremely large gap), the 5k to 6k ticket buyers who did not show up to Carver on Friday against Princeton, the 8k fans who cheered Coach Chun more vigorously and longer than members of the returning national championship 2020-2021 men's wrestling team, the superficial women's wrestling allies on this board who won't be buying season tickets to the Iowa women's college wrestling season but will staunchly defend an unsustainably high salary for the women's team coach. In that order.
Sounds like the crowd was as dinged up as the team…. Wonder if there’s any correlation…..
 
I personally will never attend a Women's dual meet at Iowa, but I wish them well regardless. Same goes for Iowa Women's Basketball. I'll drive many hours to watch the Men compete in both sports, because there is a difference and always will be and that's my personal preference and decision.
My thoughts are the same. I have zero interest in such. My personal opinion is that there should only be sports, not male and female sports. Whoever can make the team, can make the team, regardless of gender. I'm know I'm a vast outlier on that. That's ok. To each their own.

When a significant majority of people attending the university are now female, then things are just naturally going to go this direction. There are already more female athletes than male, and I believe, despite how loudly money talks from male football supplying funds, eventually there will be more money per female athlete to male. It's just how it's going to be.
 
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My thoughts are the same. I have zero interest in such. My personal opinion is that there should only be sports, not male and female sports. Whoever can make the team, can make the team, regardless of gender. I'm know I'm a vast outlier on that. That's ok. To each their own.

When a significant majority of people attending the university are now female, then things are just naturally going to go this direction. There are already more female athletes than male, and I believe, despite how loudly money talks, eventually there will be more money per female athlete to male. It's just how it's going to be.
Not trying to be rude, but I'm going to anyways. What a terrible idea. Unless you only want to give men the opportunity to play sports. What sport, realistically, could a woman beat a man in? Gymnastics, golf, curling?
 
Not trying to be rude, but I'm going to anyways. What a terrible idea. Unless you only want to give men the opportunity to play sports. What sport, realistically, could a woman beat a man in? Gymnastics, golf, curling?
Unless Chess or Checkers is considered a Sport, the answer is none of the above.
 
Also, I'd rather watch women's wrestling a thousand times over than watch men's golf, men's tennis, men's diving, hockey, or even men's T&F. If you gave me tickets to any of that crap for free I wouldn't go, but I'd pay for a women's wrestling ticket.
This. Same for me.
 
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How many of you guys have seen, the top women compete. Women’s wrestling (if you are in fact a Wrestling fan) at the highest level is completely legit. Now the depth of the high level competition is never going to be where the men’s is for obvious reasons, but I would make the argument that there are women that could be some of the best technicians on the planet. Helen is one of them the Kawai sisters are two others. These women will elevate the sport!
 
Also, I'd rather watch women's wrestling a thousand times over than watch men's golf, men's tennis, men's diving, hockey, or even men's T&F. If you gave me tickets to any of that crap for free I wouldn't go, but I'd pay for a women's wrestling ticket.
there you go. athletes that were brought to Iowa to swim. dive, play tennis, gymnastics all had their sports dropped so you are are good there.
 
Not trying to be rude, but I'm going to anyways. What a terrible idea. Unless you only want to give men the opportunity to play sports. What sport, realistically, could a woman beat a man in? Gymnastics, golf, curling?
I don't consider your answer rude.

As I said, to each their own.
 
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I don't consider your answer rude.

As I said, to each their own.
I'm just curious what your thought process is?

Do you realistically see a woman beating out a man at any of the major sports, or do you just not care about women in athletics and just want to watch men dominate all the sports (not trying to be all feminist here, just genuinely curious).
 
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I'm just curious what your thought process is?

Do you realistically see a woman beating out a man at any of the major sports, or do you just not care about women in athletics and just want to watch men dominate all the sports (not trying to be all feminist here, just genuinely curious).
Oh, I suppose it's the same reason the ancient Greeks or our American ancestors weren't really concerned with women sports. I don't think it's as healthy of a society, for example, that there are more women in college than men, or girls spend much time with sports. I think it fights the design of the respective sexes. I have 4 daughters and my least concern was that any of them were in a sport. I see them as invaluable in many other vastly more important areas. And I don't see how a sport would assist them in such. Our society believes differently, and I have no problem with that.

I truly have zero desire to argue this out, though, and I don't mind at all that there is women's wrestling at Iowa. But I won't be one who lauds it or has any concern to follow it. As long as we can all believe our respective things, and still have a modicum or respect for each other, is what's important to me on here.
 
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Oh, I suppose it's the same reason the ancient Greeks or our American ancestors weren't really concerned with women sports. I don't think it's as healthy of a society, for example, that there are more women in college than men, or girls spend much time with such. I think it fights the design of the respective sexes. I have 4 daughters and my least concern was that any of them were in a sport. I see them as invaluable in many other vastly more important areas. And I don't see how a sport would assist them in such. Our society believes differently, and I have no problem with that.

I truly have zero desire to argue out, though, and I don't mind at all that there is women's wrestling at Iowa. But I won't be one who lauds it or has any concern to follow it. As long as we can all believe our respective things, and still have a modicum or respect for each other, is what's important to me on here.
Thanks for taking the time to deliver a thought out and respectful answer.

While I don't necessarily agree, I appreciate the thought you put into it.
 
One of my sons just started wrestling this year. He just had his third practice tonight and he’s in 3rd grade. At his age and at his club the girls can wrestle with the boys if they are down with it.

The best technical wrestler in the club at this point is a girl and they were matched up for a few minutes of free wrestling at the end. I was actually pretty proud of him - never got put on his back but he just couldn’t stop her from getting the leg. Her base and quick feet are outstanding.

I think there are a few mistaken comparisons being made in this thread.

The sports that were cut at Iowa weren’t cut so womens wrestling could exist. Those things are unrelated.

If the Iowa wrestlers feelings were hurt because the new coach of an entirely new team at the school might have gotten some more cheers than them they are absolute snowflakes. They aren’t that so it’s nothing to worry about

Lastly I don’t have any daughters. But if I did, knowing what we know about violence against women in this country, they would be in the wrestling room.
 
To the OP…I somewhat get what you are saying. I think there are “supporters” of the sport only because of the politics of it and it’s the woke thing to do. But calling out the Cesspool is probably the wrong route since we financially supported 4-5 women wrestlers starting in 2017ish. If you were here, then you’d know that there was a massive fundraising initiative for the HWC that was started in this forum. The women were the beneficiaries of that movement.

Now is women’s wrestling viable? I think it will be here. Something that both sides seem to forget is that it's still growing exponentially but is not hitting the mainstream (wrestling) market...yet. As states get sanctioned and girls are coming up through the ranks, they will organically gain a following ...especially if they are getting recruited by Iowa. When the Kayla, Forrest etc were here, Hawk fans paid attention. Before they joined the HWC, I could give a rip. But after...we had some skin in the game. The international fans here in the U.S. may not like or admit it, but college wrestling is the heart and soul of the sport. Breaking into that will have a huge effect on the women's market in our sport. It's why I'm not worried about fans like @23 so far; once they are wearing Hawk colors, they'll jump on board. Wrestling is wrestling.

As for the Title lX FUBAR? You might have a point on part of the reason we are here but you are missing whole segments. Barta, in a bind to fill female athletic schollie slots, didn't have to call Tom in to ask him what he thought about gaining a women's wrestling team. Tom has been pushing for women's wrestling at Iowa for years now. It was going to happen. Now that it has, every Iowa fan should want our girls to be the one's that dominate in the sport both in college and internationally.

 
To the OP…I somewhat get what you are saying. I think there are “supporters” of the sport only because of the politics of it and it’s the woke thing to do. But calling out the Cesspool is probably the wrong route since we financially supported 4-5 women wrestlers starting in 2017ish. If you were here, then you’d know that there was a massive fundraising initiative for the HWC that was started in this forum. The women were the beneficiaries of that movement.

Now is women’s wrestling viable? I think it will be here. Something that both sides seem to forget is that it's still growing exponentially but is not hitting the mainstream (wrestling) market...yet. As states get sanctioned and girls are coming up through the ranks, they will organically gain a following ...especially if they are getting recruited by Iowa. When the Kayla, Forrest etc were here, Hawk fans paid attention. Before they joined the HWC, I could give a rip. But after...we had some skin in the game. The international fans here in the U.S. may not like or admit it, but college wrestling is the heart and soul of the sport. Breaking into that will have a huge effect on the women's market in our sport. It's why I'm not worried about fans like @23 so far; once they are wearing Hawk colors, they'll jump on board. Wrestling is wrestling.

As for the Title lX FUBAR? You might have a point on part of the reason we are here but you are missing whole segments. Barta, in a bind to fill female athletic schollie slots, didn't have to call Tom in to ask him what he thought about gaining a women's wrestling team. Tom has been pushing for women's wrestling at Iowa for years now. It was going to happen. Now that it has, every Iowa fan should want our girls to be the one's that dominate in the sport both in college and internationally.

Chief, I am a fan of anyone who wears Iowa's Black and Gold, regardless of gender or the Sport. But I watch every Football Game, every Men's Basketball Game and the vast majority of the Wrestling meets and some Iowa Baseball, and have for decades.

I can't make it thru a College Women's Basketball game (even with Caitlin Clark), maybe 5 minutes tops before I want to poke my eyes out. I like Women's Softball and Volleyball, I can watch those. And I can watch some Women's Wrestling, and I will root for Iowa when it comes on board but it won't be must see TV for me.

I can tell you with 100% certainty you will not see my smiley face at a stand alone Women's Wrestling Dual or Tournament in my lifetime. Not. Gonna. Happen.
 
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Title IX, (insert extremely large gap), the 5k to 6k ticket buyers who did not show up to Carver on Friday against Princeton, the 8k fans who cheered Coach Chun more vigorously and longer than members of the returning national championship 2020-2021 men's wrestling team, the superficial women's wrestling allies on this board who won't be buying season tickets to the Iowa women's college wrestling season but will staunchly defend an unsustainably high salary for the women's team coach. In that order.
I think a lot of people actually bought Season tickets with the intentions of using it for PSU only. The price point for season tickets vs the price point for the PSU meet may actually hurt attendance for the rest of the season.
 
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To the OP…I somewhat get what you are saying. I think there are “supporters” of the sport only because of the politics of it and it’s the woke thing to do. But calling out the Cesspool is probably the wrong route since we financially supported 4-5 women wrestlers starting in 2017ish. If you were here, then you’d know that there was a massive fundraising initiative for the HWC that was started in this forum. The women were the beneficiaries of that movement.

Now is women’s wrestling viable? I think it will be here. Something that both sides seem to forget is that it's still growing exponentially but is not hitting the mainstream (wrestling) market...yet. As states get sanctioned and girls are coming up through the ranks, they will organically gain a following ...especially if they are getting recruited by Iowa. When the Kayla, Forrest etc were here, Hawk fans paid attention. Before they joined the HWC, I could give a rip. But after...we had some skin in the game. The international fans here in the U.S. may not like or admit it, but college wrestling is the heart and soul of the sport. Breaking into that will have a huge effect on the women's market in our sport. It's why I'm not worried about fans like @23 so far; once they are wearing Hawk colors, they'll jump on board. Wrestling is wrestling.

As for the Title lX FUBAR? You might have a point on part of the reason we are here but you are missing whole segments. Barta, in a bind to fill female athletic schollie slots, didn't have to call Tom in to ask him what he thought about gaining a women's wrestling team. Tom has been pushing for women's wrestling at Iowa for years now. It was going to happen. Now that it has, every Iowa fan should want our girls to be the one's that dominate in the sport both in college and internationally.

Now THIS is a thoughtful post. Thanks, Chief!
 
Chief, I am a fan of anyone who wears Iowa's Black and Gold, regardless of gender or the Sport. But I watch every Football Game, every Men's Basketball Game and the vast majority of the Wrestling meets and some Iowa Baseball, and have for decades.

I can't make it thru a College Women's Basketball game (even with Caitlin Clark), maybe 5 minutes tops before I want to poke my eyes out. I like Women's Softball and Volleyball, I can watch those. And I can watch some Women's Wrestling, and I will root for Iowa when it comes on board but it won't be must see TV for me.

I can tell you with 100% certainty you will not see my smiley face at a stand alone Women's Wrestling Dual or Tournament in my lifetime. Not. Gonna. Happen.
Yeah, and I said that I'd never eat asparagus or brussels sprouts. I was fairly so-so until I heard that interview with Forrest Molinari, and then I saw that she had the same kick-butt attitude as we should have, had the same expectations as the men's team had, and was like our guys in so many ways. I plan to watch us put a real hurt'n on some women's teams like Simon Frazier and King College, who thought they had this playground entirely to themselves.

Oh, and who is Caitlin Clark? ;)
 
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I think a lot of people actually bought Season tickets with the intentions of using it for PSU only. The price point for season tickets vs the price point for the PSU meet may actually hurt attendance for the rest of the season.
I think you are probably right. A couple of positives out of that though. 1. Even a little bit of extra money only helps the program. 2. I know the guys sitting above me had gotten their tickets from a season ticketholder that was not going to the meet. About 7 years ago I got a couple of tickets from I guy I work with and now our family has 6 season tickets. Helps to grow the following.
 
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I don't think it's as healthy of a society, for example, that there are more women in college than men, or girls spend much time with such. I think it fights the design of the respective sexes.
Just my two cents, but I generally think it’s a good idea to move away from beliefs that make one sound like they could have come from the Taliban. If you are looking here for “problems” in society, respectfully, I don’t think a woman’s right to choose her own path in life (and that men have decided to pursue higher education in less numbers) hits near the mark. Respect the rest of your post though.
 
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