I've said multiple times that Kirk should have retired two years ago and Brian should have left back then for his own good. It just wasn't a good idea from the start. Sure It sucks to lose those games, BUT as you said they're all trying to win also, and some of those teams have more top level athletes then we do, and yet we still win more then most of these teams year in and year out. Why? Much of what we hear on this forum is about the staffs mistakes, blunders, screwups, basically just how bad they are. So if thats the case and many schools get at least as good if not better players, why do we win 8-10 games a year and they don't. Iowa isn't the only team in a 5 year period that gets a weaker schedule some years either..
Rather be better in Sept or Nov?
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So just to ask an honest question. If YOU were the coach, and you still loved your job, and it seems the players still respond to you, not to mention what your paid to do the job you love, (one thats been a part of you for most of your life) would you really "humble yourself" and quit. Would you listen to voices from outside?
Why do any of the fans watch those games? Why do they fill Kinnick? Why do the players even come out onto the field? What does it matter? This is just the defeatest attitude everywhere now. Win it all, or the hell with it. Nobody's asking for a participation trophy here, but the effort should still matter. The journey should still matter. If your coaching your kids team do you tell them after a couple of losses to pack it in, because it no longer matters?
Thats not what I asked. When? Hell, I don't know. I said he probably should have retired a couple of years ago, but I'm not him. You said he should "humble himself" and retire. All I asked is if it was you, with the situation I described, and you still loved it, would you quit doing what was such a big part of your life?
I don't understand what point you are trying to make in this thread. Iowa has been best in the West of B1G in last 5 years as Wisconsin and NW have declined. Iowa has not gotten it done in Indy,
WE got throttled last year by a Tennesse team. We had a great defense for a couple years and it got wasted.
Things could be better, things could be worse.
1. To be entertained.
2. To get out of the house?
3. To compete, hopefully for championships.
4. I have no answer.
his is just the defeatest attitude everywhere now. Win it all, or the hell with it. Nobody's asking for a participation trophy here, but the effort should still matter. The journey should still matter. If your coaching your kids team do you tell them after a couple of losses to pack it in, because it no longer matters?
Effort matters and I see effort by Iowa. No one is saying pack it in because of losses. However, you trumpeted Iowa's outstanding record in November since 2019. In the overall scheme of things that record doesn't matter because of what has occurred in Sept. and Oct.
It is your choice point that record out, and good for you. But once again, what has it gotten Iowa? Two trips to a beat down in the BCG.
What calculus are you looking for? I'm saying that people here disregard Iowa as having done anything meaningful because they don't win championships. I'm saying like most of the teams in the B1G thats just what it is. They're basically at that top end of all the conference 2nd tier schools who every season have little hope of winning a championship. I pointed out how good they've been in Nov. and people say it doesn't mean anything because we aren't winning the conference. Okay fine then. It doesn't matter. So why even be a fan if your only bar is winning the title or bust and our odds (like about 14 other teams in the B1G)are so small of that happening. The history speaks for itself.
You basically said what they've done doesn't matter. I was just providing reasons why it does matter. But hey maybe your right. Maybe it doesn't matter. "What has it gotten Iowa"? I don't know. What are your expectations as a fan? If my math is correct in the last 5 seasons the conference teams have played 910 games. 630 B1G conference games in 5 years, and only 2 teams have won the championships in those 5 seasons. Other then for the 2 teams that win basically all the titles do the other 600 games not matter, if it "hasn't gotten them anything". Basically your saying that if Iowa (and I assume the other 16 teams now) don't win the B1G title or get to the CFP whatever they accomplish just doesn't matter. That just seems like a pretty bleak outlook on the entire game. Win it all or it just doesn't matter.
"Average" means all this?
I responded to you calling Iowa "average". I'm not sure how you arrive at that, even in the current NIL, portal climate.
At worst, Iowa is above average this season. In the previous 3 seasons Iowa won 10, 9, and 10 games. And they were 6-2 in the COVID season.
Average? I've got news for you. There just isn't one bit of truth to that
With the new conference and no divisions Iowa is basically at the top of the "second tier" in my opinion. OSU, Oregon, PSU, and Michigan if they get their shit together. Maybe average isn't the best term, but going forward I see them like a bunch of other teams trying to stay in that 9-3 to 8-4 range and trying to claw their way into the CFP every 4 or 5 years. Different years alot of schools vying to be in that group, So maybe Iowa sits in that 5th to 6th place most years, (where we are now along with several other teams). Still with multiple teams with very similar records they won't be all that far above the leagues mid point either. Call that what you will.
As I said to "eyes" maybe average isn't the right term. I do think they'll be hanging in a large rotating 2nd tier trying to jump from a usual 9-3 8-4 season to 10 wins every few years and claw their way into the CFP. Alot of stars will have to align for Iowa to get into the B1G championship now....
