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RBY?

If you are referring to RBY, then you are dead wrong because I happen to know that he has a very high opinion of Terry and Gilman...both of who have been down to Tucson I believe along with others. Iowa put in the work on RBY...sometimes it just doesn't work out and maybe he has a stronger relationship with some on the PSU team.

I wasn't talking about only RBY. RBY seems to be one who was interested. I was responding to this:

For the life of me, I can't figure out why a legit 133er doesn't want to come to Iowa and spend the next four years in the room with Spencer Lee. ...

My response was I can figure it out. TnT aint for everybody. They rub many the wrong way. What's not true about that? But jump on me about being clueless
 
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I wasn't talking about only RBY. RBY seems to be one who was interested. I was responding to this:

For the life of me, I can't figure out why a legit 133er doesn't want to come to Iowa and spend the next four years in the room with Spencer Lee. ...

My response was I can figure it out. TnT aint for everybody. They rub many the wrong way. What's not true about that? But jump on me about being clueless

Some love this, some dont. Find the people that do and go to battle.
 
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Some love this, some dont. Find the people that do and go to battle.

Exactly, I didn't say I was against TnT. But when you portray a certain image, how bad does that cripple the size of the pool you can recruit from? Iowa still has the brand name and walking into a house with Iowa gear on means a ton. But how many more top kids are slowly not even listing Iowa in the top 5. Iowa should be in everyone P4P elite kids top 5 even if you really weren't fully on board.

Its time many realize this staff unintentionally paints themselves into a smaller recruiting corner. IMO that why we see less Iowa on lists and we see more misses on targets.
 
Some love this, some dont. Find the people that do and go to battle.

Nonsense. This is an old, old video and Tom has grown and mellowed plenty since he became head coach. Secondly, it's just plain ignorant to state the Tom coaches everyone to be like Gilman. Just take a look at Iowa's roster over the Brands years and you'll find every type of personality under the sun - McD, Cory Clark, Borschel, Morningstar, Brooks, Marion, on and on.

One wrestler (RBY) - a PSU lock - signs with - shock! - PSU and people are wetting their pants. This is embarrassing.
 
Nonsense. This is an old, old video and Tom has grown and mellowed plenty since he became head coach. Secondly, it's just plain ignorant to state the Tom coaches everyone to be like Gilman. Just take a look at Iowa's roster over the Brands years and you'll find every type of personality under the sun - McD, Cory Clark, Borschel, Morningstar, Brooks, Marion, on and on.

One wrestler (RBY) - a PSU lock - signs with - shock! - PSU and people are wetting their pants. This is embarrassing.
+1,000,000
 
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Its pretty simple. Not everyone thinks the Bushwhacker twins are right for them. It isn't my opinion but lets face it. For as much good TnT can provide in the room they counter it by seeming a bit over the top and some folks just don't want to deal with that for 4 years.

Not everyone looks at Gilman's fight night interview or Terry's documentary and thinks that's awesome how the pop off over nothing. I do but others not so much.

If anything they need to double recruiting efforts just to overcome the stereotype. Luckily in recent years they have tied to get past this with things like Stroll with Stoll.

I would also say there is still a bit of an elitist attitude of you come to us, we don't chase recruits because we are Iowa. That and I don't believe they like to recruit or ever leave the practice room. I would guess Morningstar has more internal struggles than we could imagine.

I bolded two parts. The first paragraph is straight garbage. If your impression of the Brands is that of when they were competitors or young assistants then you haven't been around them. Terry has made his name working with olympians, adults. Wrestlers who are already as skilled as any in America go with Terry because he's the best coach out there. He sees and coaches skills that no other coach would even recognize were aspects affecting the match.

The second part does hint at a problem that may actually exist. Tom has given a lot of credit to Morningstar as being a great recruiter, and he is. Unfortunately, when our top recruiter is not the face of the program and he has to recruit against head coaches they can sell the same type of crap that you posted in the first paragraph.
 
Being over the top and seeming over the top are not necessarily the same thing. And convincing someone that another person is over the top is even different. Just because people think or accuse the Brands of being over the top, does not mean they are. However, Tom eluded to the belief that they had to overcome some negative perceptions the program.. He seems to be trying to do that.
If you cannot convince yourself that some people do not think the world of TnT and have negative opinions of them, then you seriously need to take off your yellow and black glasses, because you are missing a lot of obvious information in your life.
That is like a guy from PSU thinking all Hawk fans like and respect Cael.
 
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