I have a feeling our good friend Beleem would be the first to run if there was ever a problem.
Reasonable homeowner here?
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I have a feeling our good friend Beleem would be the first to run if there was ever a problem.
Not everyone is a Certified Bad Ass like yourself.
Someone should warn violent ex boyfriends that not all dads want to play tickle and grab ass in the yard like you do.
I always assume someone breaking into my house by force has bad intentions and wants to cause physical harm, or is otherwise indifferent about causing physical harm. Am I worried they will kill me? I have no way of knowing if they are armed, how they are armed, or what other physical capabilities they might have. If I'm behind a locked door, the other person knows I'm armed, and still tries to break down the door, I really have to believe they have bad intentions and are capable of carrying them out. If I'm in my house, there's no reason to risk my life or health if I don't have to.
Tough one. If the shooter had reason to believe his life might be in danger, I could see it. I don't know though. I would've been yelling at him that he was going to get shot before shooting. Of course if it's happening fast and you don't know what's going to greet on the other side of that door... I get it.
I'm pro gun and I agree with this. Just a complete break down of conflict resolution skills. If the dad would have met him at the front door the kid probably backs down and walks away.
Guns complicate the matter. Who's to say the kid didn't have a gun. Threat escalation.
How do you know you would have whooped his little @$$?
Right, he could have been an expert in krav maga and sent by the Israeli's to kill me. Who knows.
Well, except you know - the people that knew him for years as he was dating their daughter. The daughter described him as a sweet kid.
If an ex that was a sweet kid was losing his shit and trying to get into my house shooting him dead is the last thing I would think to do.
But then, I don't have a gun and dream of using it one day.
Watching the video, the kid didn't seem to be a threat at first. The mom says. kind of in passing, "she doesn't want to talk to you". Like there was a conversation that took place in the driveway before all this went down. It's like him beating on the door gives the dad a right to shoot? I just don't see it that way.
There is way more context to this than what we have been shown, I am sure.
There is way more context to this than what we have been shown, I am sure.
I watched the video. I'm rolling 6-2 260lbs, in shape, athletic, former college athlete. This punk would have been knocked the F out.
Even Steven Patrick will affirm the lethality of my fists.
So, you don't know if he could have hurt you. And of course that sweet kid was breaking the door down even though he knew the dad on the other side of the door had a gun. And the dad still believed the kid was a sweet kid, so he got a gun instead of opening the door.
Would you have opened the door in that same circumstance?
I’ve never seen your shoot, but if you shoot like our QB throws you’re probably gonna have holes in the ground.
I agree with you on a lot of stuff. That said, I spent a portion of my childhood in a really bad area, and learned there's always someone badder than you. Size may or may not matter. Being a former athlete might help you, but I've seen skinny little dopers slice up big guys without much effort.
If you believe you can handle it that way, you be you. Everyone isn't that capable, and would prefer not to put themselves at risk.
The internet is full of gifs of 6-2 260lb guys getting knocked out. Then where does that leave your wife and daughter?
You never know.
I'm decent, nothing to write home about, but in that situation I would close the distance and aim center mass
The research you are referring to does not address whether you are safer with or without a gun when someone is actually breaking in to your house. The odds you die from an alligator attack tell you nothing about the odds of surviving a alligator attack. You logic sucks.
I'm glad it all worked out the way it did. I know I guy who walked out to someone trying to steal his car in a similar situation. He took 4 shots to the chest and abdomen. He was in the hospital for about 2 months and a year of rehab.
I don’t have to add anything else or “make him” anything else. The facts of the case stand on their own. You’re the only one in this thread who seems intent on creating alternate fiction.
The guy violently broke through their locked front door to get to his daughter. If I’m the father of that girl I’m not waiting around for the police to arrive and just hoping he doesn’t have violent intentions once he gets into the house.
It's these situations were I always look at it from this perspective:
1. What's legal
2. What could have been done better- Warning shot, more clear and forceful declaration that he had a gun, barricade the door and wait for police, etc.
3. It's an incredible fast unraveling of events.
This video is good with a cool pepsi but watch what happens to both the newscaster and community activist.
1. What's legal
2. What could have been done better- Warning shot, more clear and forceful declaration that he had a gun, barricade the door and wait for police, etc.
3. It's an incredible fast unraveling of events.
This video is good with a cool pepsi but watch what happens to both the newscaster and community activist.
I don’t own a gun. If I did, I’d like to think I’d keep the gun pointed at the door and give him a chance to back away. Once the door is broken and he steps through, he’s finished.
I think this is probably the reasonable option most people would be at.
Hope it would never come to that. i just can't justify shooting a kid down who is on the other side of a door in this situation. It went from "she doesn't want to talk to you" to gunfire in ten seconds. The kid didn't even cross the door threshold. Way too much happened there, way too fast, and there wasn't much in the way of conflict resolution going on there, or even trying to intimidate the kid into backing down.
Yeah, he was probably standing there thinking, 'my work here is done' when over-protective dad goes all pew-pew and ruins the day.
Most parents of kids who go on rampages or commit violent crimes are called sweet kids. Even victims of domestic violence say it.
But you and your daughter possibly ending up dead is a better alternative in your world.
Look, you all are people that feel it's better to kill someone because there's a small chance things go very badly. I'm not. I focus on the 99 times things don't end up in multiple murders, you do. That's why you all arm yourself to the teeth and I don't. It's why this guy will live the rest of his life knowing he killed a kid he shared meals with and I won't.
What would you have done if he step out of your car with a gun? I get what you're saying and agree with you, but not sure I would have gone out there with an empty magazine.
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He could also live with the fact he possibly saved himself and his daughter from being beaten or murdered..
At your house, said ex would have kicked your ass and then assaulted your daughter.
I didn’t watch the video. I don’t need to see trauma on video. I don’t see how anyone could fault the man for shooting him down if he came in the house. You just don’t know if he has a gun or anything like that.
Looks like that is what happened.
This was less of a car stealing situation and more of a someone rummaging for stuff to pawn. If I saw them in my drivers seat trying to hotwire the car I might have went out loaded.
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