Recruit Max Murin in town for a visit
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I wouldn't be surprised if Berge and Troy were both 157, FWIW.
Berge is going to have to do some active growing if he is going to be a 174 to be honest.
I'll also add these two comments: if you're sleeping on Young it's too bad you'll be late to the hype train. #2 From what little Marinelli has been able to get in there Ive heard he can be an absolute bully.
I'm admittedly saving a few nuggets for our Monday podcast, but some of the things I heard/saw at practice this past week were certainly interesting for fans of the program.
Brody Grothus petitioned for a 6th year?
Edit: I just realized Brody Grothus doesn't petition the NCAA, he tells them what they are going to do.
Yes I agree with u there is to ca kids in front of Justin that have 1 state title between them so don't understand flows rankings
I can't imagine there is a single college coach who would rather have Demison or the Palm Desert kid over Justin. It's pretty silly. At worst, with his resume Justin is top 15.
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One of them is Kemmerer wiping the mat with pretty much whomever he's matched up with I presume?
How about Brock Rathbun looking nails?
How about Meyer looking like the Incredible Hulk?
Looking forward to the podcast...
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Any ranking is always subject to debate, but I too find that one a head scratcher. Mejia should be higher, imo. But then, I was also a little mystified that FLO put NC St at #1 recruiting class for 2016 ahead of PSU.
NCSt:
#4 Reenan
#6 Hidlay
#42 D Bullard
#43 T Bullard
#66 Wilson
That was deemed a superior recruiting class to PSU's:
#1 Hall
#2 Suriano
#5 Manville
#80 Nevills
It's inconceivable to me that a school pulling in #1, 2, and 5 does not get the #1 ranking.
One of them is Kemmerer wiping the mat with pretty much whomever he's matched up with I presume?
How about Brock Rathbun looking nails?
How about Meyer looking like the Incredible Hulk?
Looking forward to the podcast...
More have to be like Gobblin...he just sticks it in, no foreplay
East Coast bias (haha Willie)...no freestyle or regular attendance at tourneys like Super 32 or in the Who's #1 dual. Added to that, in season tourneys like The Beast, Ironman, and Powerade. Those bring signature wins. It seems like if you have a good tourney at one of these, get on a roll and win it, your stock goes high.
That said, Cali is one of the toughest state tourneys IMO because of its one division.Yes, New Jersey is also a tough state because of this but sheer numbers and qualifying tournaments dwarf it in CA. One bad day and you are out. Clovis wrestling has a great tradition of excellence and wrestle at some tough tourneys to include the Zinkin and Doc B. Last year, they did the quad dual in Illinois where Justin pinned Precin and beat future teammate JRent in a close one. His "bad" losses include Gomez in freestyle and Brian Courtney from PA at FloNats. Gomez is a seasoned freestyler and Courtney just came off beating three state champs in the PA tourney and had a healthy weight allowance...this in Courtney's backyard. Justin had a good, but not great tournament IMO compared to other matches I have seen him in before. Still, he majored Geerts and beat a Mizzou and Az state champ in Josiah Kline (who wrestled at 132 in Az) before getting majored by Courtney who put everyone on notice.
If it goes by the numbers, then Justin will be the second 4 timer (?) in CA history and the most credentialed wrestler ever to come out of Clovis which says a lot. i wouldn't worry about the rankings IMO...he is going to one of the most prestigious wrestling colleges in the United States so its not like he has to prove anything to Flo, Intermat etc. It should only matter to a few dudes sitting in a wrestling room in IC and I believe they are damn glad to have Justin.
You're right, Mejia would be 2nd 4 timer in Cali. Seth Nevills has a very good shot at also becoming a 4 timer. Embarrassment of riches in Clovis.
Well I like our chances. I don't think them all working out together makes it open and shut for the Hawks, since they are just all part of the young guns
Not to beat a dead horse and I know rankings are just that rankings, but to Jaysdad's point. Anthony Montonano (spelling?) from Palm Desert HS is ranked as the #16 Junior in the country. He didn't place in state as a freshman. Went 3-2 at states getting pinned twice by guys who didn't place. Sophomore year he finished 4th in states and this year was a runner up, getting pinned in the finals. Demison is ranked #22 and finished 3rd in country as a freshman (in the same bracket that Mejia was the champ). Sophomore year Demison was a runner-up. This year was his first stat title. Justin has won 3 titles and is ranked #23. I just don't see how these guys get ranked ahead of Justin and it would certainly bug me if he was MY son.
Max will forgo his final year at college, to wrestle Super Hwy, international competition....
That kid has improved every year, steadily. I think he will get better and better throughout his career, rather than peaking early as other kids sometimes do.
Yes it does and don't understand how flow can't see what we see?
What are their accomplishments outside of California high school? Might give some evidence.
Well I never went to bed with an ugly woman
That I am proud to say
But I sure woke up next to quite a few
Ain't it funny how it happens that way!
I went to bed with an ugly women and woke up with something that had breath like a rhinoceros fart.
I married a pretty woman and 15 years later divorced a fat ugly woman.
I married a beautiful woman and 37 years later I still haven't figured how that ever happened.
That happens a lot -- especially in Iowa.
"Iowa women are almost always sensationally overweight—you see them at Merle May Hall in Des Moines on Saturdays, clammy and meaty in their shorts and halter tops, looking a little like elephants dressed in childrens' clothes, yelling at their kids, calling out names like Dwayne and Shauna. Jack Kerouac, of all people, thought that Iowa women were the prettiest in the country, but I don't think he ever went to Merle May Hall on a Saturday. I will say this, however—and it's a strange, strange thing—the teenaged daughters of these fat women are always utterly delectable, as soft and gloriously rounded and naturally fresh-smelling as a basket of fruit. I don't know what it is that happens to them, but it must be awful to marry one of those nubile cuties knowing that there is a time bomb ticking away in her that will at some unknown date make her bloat out into something huge and grotesque, presumably all of a sudden and without much notice, like a self-inflating raft from which the pin has been yanked." -- Bill Bryson
Putting a ring on a girl is like popping the seal on a can of biscuits.
In that case, you have only yourself to blame.
I know the weakness of comparative results, but Justin lost (major decision) to Brian Courtney who, in turn, was destroyed, just torn apart, by Vitali Arujau (#3 Intermat). Intermat has Justin at #18. The ranking seems pretty reasonable to me. Granted, Arujau wrestles at some weird weights in one-offs that he probably can't sustain over a season, but there is a pretty big gap there.
You also have to factor in the weight allowances and weigh in procedures at different tournaments. Courtney is bigger than Mejia and Vitali is bigger than Courtney.
Wow are u really out of the loop not to know the weigh allowance at flow Courtney never wrestled 120 at the end of the year because he's to big and then u think he can make 120 at the end of the year hahaha if that was the case why did Justin fall in rankings at 120 because Evan flow knows it wasn't a truly 120 match if you knew Courtney as ranked like 16 in 126 just before the tournament but people like u just don't understand and they wrestled 3 days after weigh ins so do u think it was a true 120 match the other kids that beat him is in his weight so don't go comparing the 2 totally different
I sort of alluded to that issue, didn't I? Please explain to me, though, how Suriano beat Arujau, despite the weight difference, at Who's #1 this past fall, if that's really the way things work.
Because Suriano is on a level that very few high school wrestlers are on
Didn't Arujau beat Suriano first? Nice to have a frame of reference and tape. Plus, Suriano is pretty damn good and it will be tough for anybody at the high school level to beat him twice. Why is he not wrestling freestyle damnit?
It guess u really don't understand do u WNO Doesn't give u 5 pound allowance and then let wrestle 3 days later in finals so do I get it now wow not that difficult if u don't know details about events don't think u should be posting about them
Matter is a Penn State fan so why would he care to focus on the facts?
Why would a Penn state fan be on this page is don't give a crap what they are doing on that Penn state page so I would never go on That page it's all about put up or shut up all that matters is next year and follow years they must really be worried to be on iowa page
Yep. Saw both matches in person. Suriano violated a cardinal rule on top at the Journeymen's event - if in danger of losing control, give up one, not two. Lost 2-1, iirc. But according to Jaysdad's logic, Suriano, who looked to be giving up 10-15 pounds in Schenectady, should not have even been in the match. He's wrestling a kid who is realistically one, if not two, weight class(es) higher by the time they wrestled in the event and who is the #3 overall recruit in his/Justin's class. A kid, btw, who wrecked Brian Courtney a few weeks after he majored Meija. Saw that one in person, too. Courtney was able to fend off Arujau for a lot of the match, but eventually was being taken down at will. So I think the complaining about the rankings is misplaced.
I also think I am focusing on the real facts. Meija lost by major decision to Courtney who lost 11-4 to Arujau (4 escapes for Courtney, 5 TD by Arujau). Arujau is ranked #3 by Intermat, Courtney is ranked #23 and Meija #18. I don't see any room to complain.
I talked to Suriano after the Ohio State/Penn State dual this winter and told him Arujau looked a lot bigger than him in Schenectady. He shrugged and said, doesn't matter, I should have wrestled better. That's an attitude I can respect.
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