Growing up in the sticks, I know what it's like to be on the wrong end of "trash" calling. I should know better than to do that to anyone else.
Result of investigation into racist remarks
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A little traveling around the country would show anyone that Iowa might be predominantly rural, but it’s not trashy.
So, there are thousands more people in Eastern Iowa, but IF there was something racist said it had to be someone who drove from Northwest Iowa to the Eastern side of the state to do this?? You can take your 'Nebraska East" comment towards Western/Northwest Iowa and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
#1 If it is brought forth as actually having happened and the U of I dishes out a ban, that will send a message nation-wide that Iowa events will not tolerate racism. That is a positive for Iowa.
#2 What I hope? Iowa will not tolerate racism or a 22 year old cannot make serious false claims and not be held accountable. A 22 year old is not a kid and I don't care if he is embarressed or not. He made a serious charge. He is an adult. If he lied, he needs to be held accountable. That is what happens when you become an adult - you are held responsible for your actions.
You're fighting a losing battle. They won't be able to prove if it was said or not. Most people recognized that from the jump. Let's say those two escorts say "I didn't hear anything" and the UI decides to make a press release saying "Based on our investigation, we have determined that the claim of a racial slur being shouted at Mr. Gomez and company cannot be verified, and hence forth The University of Iowa feels the accuser was acting in bad faith." Do you think that would make us look better, or worse? What amount of evidence do you think they need to "hold him accountable"? Iowa has shown they don't tolerate racism, as well as an overwhelming amount of the fan base who have supported the sentiments of the University and Tom Brands.
I'm not fighting any battle. I still think the U of I needs to report its findings and make a strong statement about the future. Still can't believe that you think most Hawk fans are racists.
Baloney. Our own “moderator” says he’s heard the audio and it is “really bad”. There was also some guy on social media that claimed he had audio and video…. Well, let’s hear it and find the prick who said it.
Haha. It's apparent you stopped reading after the first line. I tried to reason with you my guy, but you can't even be bothered to read what I wrote and are making stuff up. It's clear you are only seeing what you want to see here and trust me when I say you won't get what you want out of this. I am an Iowa fan, of course I don't think they are all racist. Which is exactly what I said in a previous post you didn't read.
Holy hell Gobblin, I completely agree with that and I have said that before. I have not seen these posts saying there is evidence. IF there is by all means, let us hear it. My focus is and always has been on condemning the action and IF we can find the guy kick their ass out of Carver for life.
My point is that it IS really hard to determine if it was said and even harder to determine who said it. The more important aspect of proving it to be true is the University and HC saying what they have already said. If we can actually prove it happened AND who said it that's a grand slam.
Please note, I'm not lumping all of NW Iowa together. Only the proliferation of racist jagoffs in that area that embarrass our state.
That makes two of us.
OK, good, they did not sweep it under the rug. Let's catch the moron.
I don’t think anyone around here think most Hawk fans are racist. That’s crazy talk.
But if an investigation comes up with NOTHING, there’s basically nothing to be said by the Univ. That doesn’t mean they’re sweeping anything under the rug.
It just means they won’t tolerate that behavior if/when it’s identified.
Zierath said he spoke directly to somebody he 100% trusts and that person has heard the audio and it did contain a racial slur.
At the end of the day, it shouldn't matter if it happened or not. If somebody said it, they're a POS and should be punished accordingly. You'll never be able to fully prove a racial slur wasn't yelled by somebody in a crowd of 14k. Best for the university and staff to assume it may have happened, apologize, and move on. Absolutely dumbfounded that this is still being talked about.
I am guessing that some people are tuned into hearing racial slurs and may even hear them when they aren't there, just like we may not hear them when they are.
I was raised with the old "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me" outlook on life. It appears that I am becoming a dinosaur.
Could you imagine what would happen if the Univ tried to call the complaining athlete a liar and HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE?
Who would dare ever even complain after that?
TT seems to imply it’s “Prove your case or suffer the consequences,” and that’s an odd concept, imo.
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No tolerance for racist remarks and no tolerance for race baiters should go hand and hand.
So, you guessing there are about equal numbers of “racists,” and race baiters?”
What’s a race baiter? Is that what you’re accusing Gomez clan of?
Sounds funny hearing that, as Gobbles pretty much said it’s not good AND recorded. (And that doesn’t mean the public has a right to hear it, imo.
Think I get it now. Race baiters are like people who falsely accuse guys of rape, right?
Falsely accusing someone for racist comments is just as wrong as making a racist comment. It’s ugly and counterproductive. I’m not saying that is what has happened here, but I am saying they both happen just as often as the other. Nothing will happen cause at this point everything is hearsay. Wouldn’t surprise me if some jackwagon yelled something ugly and it wouldn’t surprise me if he and his family is lying about it.
I do not believe lying about racist comments and acts endured happens at anything close to the rate of racist comments being made in general. (I’d GUESS one out of every 100 allegations is made up.) What’s your take?
Wtf are you talking about?? I never said that. Actually quite the opposite. Other “important”people claim there’s evidence of it despite my actually sitting right there during the supposed incident AND hearing the audio from that night near the tunnel and there is ZERO evidence of what Gomez is accusing.
Ahhh. I thought you said Zierath heard the recordings. Sorry.
I don’t know man. Unfortunately everything in this case is hearsay and we will never know. I’m a firm believer in due process. I hope no one said a racist comment and I hope Gomez wouldn’t lie about it. Unfortunately both do happen and you can’t dismiss one as easily as the other.
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He says he did…. The worst thing I witnessed that night was Bono challenging a fan with an infant in his lap to a fist fight in the tunnel and having to be restrained because he was called a “Bozo”. Calling Bono a bozo is about the nicest name you could call that scumbag.
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He says he did…. The worst thing I witnessed that night was Bono challenging a fan with an infant in his lap to a fist fight in the tunnel and having to be restrained because he was called a “Bozo”. Calling Bono a bozo is about the nicest name you could call that scumbag.
Me: Well, it sounds like the student section missed me that dual. I like sitting behind the opposing team.
He says he did…. The worst thing I witnessed that night was Bono challenging a fan with an infant in his lap to a fist fight in the tunnel and having to be restrained because he was called a “Bozo”. Calling Bono a bozo is about the nicest name you could call that scumbag.
Me: Well, it sounds like the student section missed me that dual. I like sitting behind the opposing team.
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Agreed. when Davis was there I had some respect for that program. I suppose there are good reasons McDonough got the hell out of there. Bono being a big one.
I never suggested otherwise.
Do I? That is not a sound conclusion.
I am not implying that at all. That is where I claim that you do not draw a sound conclusion. It may become obvious he lied or a fan got nasty or totally non conclusive.
What word would that be?? Wondering how you could narrow it down to a single word.
Oh, some have opined that it is probably hearing "spick" when the name "dick" was used.
I lived in Iowa , it's a nice place to live. The people were decent, the knuckle heads or trashy types did exist but in small amounts like most places .
Best take imo. One person being ignorant out of of 15,000? is unfortunate but bound to happen.
Best take imo. One person being ignorant out of of 15,000? is unfortunate but bound to happen.
Yeah, bound to happen especially when you are antagonizing the crowd like a dick.
Yeah, bound to happen especially when you are antagonizing the crowd like a dick.
But that doesn't excuse the remark, does it? There's always at least one dick somewhere. Either he misheard, he's lying, or he's right. It has to be one of those three. Only a verified recording will satisfy everyone here.
Erring on the side of character, understanding, and support is the best path, no matter which one of those three happened, which is exactly what Coach Brands did. Continuing to chew this over on this board or any other undermines our efforts to recruit and develop the top wrestling program in the country.
So rather than blame fans or blame Gomez, let's move on. The University will handle whatever further interventions are needed, because they have to for the sake of all athletic programs at Iowa.
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