When he didn't have a real great game in the PTL final, he stopped being talked about. But as his highlight PTL video reminds us, he's got a lot of game: court awareness, passing, shooting, athleticism, in a 6'6" frame. He could use more strength, but he's arguably got the most 'all-around' guard 'potential' of anyone on the roster. How many think he'll play this year? Role?
Revisiting Maishe Dailey
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I'm not a coach, so I'd have no clue what would warrant a redshirt. I think we need guard depth, so I'd say he plays. I think he could surely help in spots.
Love this left handed guard. Kid has some nice potential and Fran can coach them up.
Very unlikely he plays this year IMO for two main reasons:
(1) he really needs to develop strength. Baer was in the same situation his freshman year also. Just not physically ready for B10 battle IMHO; and
(2) a player ahead of him would need to suffer a serious injury at a position where he could play (a) If he is SG, both Jok and Moss are slated to play ahead of him. Ellingson will get minutes here also regardless; (b) If he plays PG, both Williams and Bohannon have the edge IMO and I think his natural position is SG in any event.
I'm happy he signed with Iowa because I think Dailey is skilled, smart, and a good fit for Fran's style of offense. At some point, though, Fran will need to decide on a regular rotation of 8-9, maybe 10 guys (right now, I consider Ellingson more of a "specialist" sub outside the regular rotation). Fran doesn't need him this year. Its not the same circumstance Fran faced where, for instance, he pressed Olaseni into action right away. Red shirt.
(1) he really needs to develop strength. Baer was in the same situation his freshman year also. Just not physically ready for B10 battle IMHO; and
(2) a player ahead of him would need to suffer a serious injury at a position where he could play (a) If he is SG, both Jok and Moss are slated to play ahead of him. Ellingson will get minutes here also regardless; (b) If he plays PG, both Williams and Bohannon have the edge IMO and I think his natural position is SG in any event.
I'm happy he signed with Iowa because I think Dailey is skilled, smart, and a good fit for Fran's style of offense. At some point, though, Fran will need to decide on a regular rotation of 8-9, maybe 10 guys (right now, I consider Ellingson more of a "specialist" sub outside the regular rotation). Fran doesn't need him this year. Its not the same circumstance Fran faced where, for instance, he pressed Olaseni into action right away. Red shirt.
We don't know what practices will be like this fall. MD might indeed RS. But it wouldn't surprise me if Dailey ended up being a more viable player this year than JB and BE. MD has more physical gifts than either, and his cerebral style could make those advantages effective. In addition, he could offer some things that, in given situations, might be more valuable than Moss or CW.
long, nice stroke, confident. if he picks up D schemes & responsibilities he will play.
i like players who want the ball in crunch time and he seems confident where he would take "the shot" if needed and knows he can knock it down. looks like a competitor.
i like players who want the ball in crunch time and he seems confident where he would take "the shot" if needed and knows he can knock it down. looks like a competitor.
It would be my guess he plays. Almost every article I read on him has talk of him contributing at SG and PG.
Listening to opinions here made me think that it will be a battle in practice everyday this fall and whoever shows the most, offensively, defensively, communicates best with teammates and of course gives 100%, {or better?}] all the time will be playing. So many factors, not including staff and Fran projections for the future of the Iowa basketball team next year and beyond. It may be MD plays and Bohannon red shirts . Injuries will most certainly influence red shirt decisions obviously. However it plays out I am going to be enjoying how this team will play this year. So since it's a message board "my opinions as of now are this:
There will be a 10 man rotation this season by B1G Ten play
Starters:
CW
Jok
Uhl
Baer
Cook
I don't personally feel these are the best players, just think from Fran's history of starting and playing veterans, these players ability, position and history have the best chance to start.
I could easily make arguments for Ahmad Wagner, Dale Jones and Brady Ellingson as veterans to start as well but my feelings are Cook has too much size and talent not to start over Wagner, Baer will by his determination not let Jones take his spot and there isn't room for BE unless Jok moves to the front court and I believe playing guard is best for his future and Fran will accommodate that unless it hurts the team and I don't believe it will.
I think I would prefer Moss in the starting lineup but for reasons stated above I think he and Jone's and Wagner are first off the bench. BE has the experience factor but IMO not significantly enough to hold back a more talented and athletic player like Moss. After Ahmad Wagner, and Dale Jones I am not sure at all how it could play out. Pemsyl, Kreiner may just come in and replace Baer and Uhl and Cook in whoever needs a blow. My guess is Baer drops down to a 3 or possibly [though I think it less likely but probably just as effectively] Jok moves up to the 3, so Moss and CW can handle the backcourt.
Now will JB replace CW ?
Will Moss play point ?
Will Daily play point ?
I feel Jok plays the 2 all season even though he can play the 3 or possibly the 1 [not going to happen unless no one can step up, in which case the team will struggle]
End of games likely IMO will not be the starters as I would want all the best ball handlers playing should we be leading or all the best shooters playing should we be trailing.
So to reiterate
Starters- backups,
CW- Daily
Jok- Moss
Uhl- Pemsyl
Baer- Jones
Cook- Wagner
With JB and Brady E, and Kriener getting spot minutes
I'm of the opinion by the arrival of conference play this will be set and we will be rolling toward a top 4 finish and 12 wins again.
It's just an opinion for discussion and in no way do I believe who starts and who replaces who is set in stone . For as much as this is how I see it I am more sure this will be a fluid situation. My hope is though that by time conference play begins the players understand their jobs on the team and just continue to work hard.
Ah it's going to be fun to see how this team developers and the season unfolds.
There will be a 10 man rotation this season by B1G Ten play
Starters:
CW
Jok
Uhl
Baer
Cook
I don't personally feel these are the best players, just think from Fran's history of starting and playing veterans, these players ability, position and history have the best chance to start.
I could easily make arguments for Ahmad Wagner, Dale Jones and Brady Ellingson as veterans to start as well but my feelings are Cook has too much size and talent not to start over Wagner, Baer will by his determination not let Jones take his spot and there isn't room for BE unless Jok moves to the front court and I believe playing guard is best for his future and Fran will accommodate that unless it hurts the team and I don't believe it will.
I think I would prefer Moss in the starting lineup but for reasons stated above I think he and Jone's and Wagner are first off the bench. BE has the experience factor but IMO not significantly enough to hold back a more talented and athletic player like Moss. After Ahmad Wagner, and Dale Jones I am not sure at all how it could play out. Pemsyl, Kreiner may just come in and replace Baer and Uhl and Cook in whoever needs a blow. My guess is Baer drops down to a 3 or possibly [though I think it less likely but probably just as effectively] Jok moves up to the 3, so Moss and CW can handle the backcourt.
Now will JB replace CW ?
Will Moss play point ?
Will Daily play point ?
I feel Jok plays the 2 all season even though he can play the 3 or possibly the 1 [not going to happen unless no one can step up, in which case the team will struggle]
End of games likely IMO will not be the starters as I would want all the best ball handlers playing should we be leading or all the best shooters playing should we be trailing.
So to reiterate
Starters- backups,
CW- Daily
Jok- Moss
Uhl- Pemsyl
Baer- Jones
Cook- Wagner
With JB and Brady E, and Kriener getting spot minutes
I'm of the opinion by the arrival of conference play this will be set and we will be rolling toward a top 4 finish and 12 wins again.
It's just an opinion for discussion and in no way do I believe who starts and who replaces who is set in stone . For as much as this is how I see it I am more sure this will be a fluid situation. My hope is though that by time conference play begins the players understand their jobs on the team and just continue to work hard.
Ah it's going to be fun to see how this team developers and the season unfolds.
You are correct. Much like Christian Williams the ability is there, but pg will be new for Maishe. Just my opinion but I prefer to look at the direction McCaffery is taking the program regarding the guard spots. Ambidextrous.
I understand many feel that Maishe needs a year to get stronger, I hope if his skills dictate he can contribute this year that is what happens. Bill Jones was very lean and could play. Strength is nice, It is just not the end all be all in regard to whether a guy can play or not.
Thanks, that's what I thought. Dailey led his HS team in rebounding IIRC - they had him on the wing and on the baseline mainly. He is a very good passer as well.
Williams will start at PG. I just don't see how Dailey jumps Bohannon as back-up this year. I mean, Bohannon played PG all 4 years in high school and excelled there (IA POY)as well. Is there any question who is the better ball handler between the two?
I feel the same way about Moss, a player who has been occasionally mentioned as back-up PG. It seems to me that both of these players, Dailey and Moss, are basically emergency PGs - natural SGs who could run the offense if needed as a fallback option. If Dailey is getting significant minutes this year, my guess is that it will be at the expense of Isiah Moss at SG.
In watching clips of MD in the PTL, he appears to have all the skills needed to play pg effectively, along with being a good 3 pt shooter. Imo, BE is odd man out and everyone else is in play.
Agree. And I would be very surprised if BE doesn't transfer after this year. Whether he sees the light or Fran shows him the light- I don't see BE on the squad come fall '17
Ellingson will be one of the first two or three players off the bench to start. How many minutes he picks up will depend upon whether he has regained his accuracy and his ability to play adequate defense.
I don't like writing people off. Ellingson is a frigging sophomore, for God's sake.
Now, did he impress me last year? No.
But, I haven't seen him this year. And I choose to hold judgement until I see just how horrible he is.
Truly, give him a break. Things always shake out and he IS a Hawkeye.
Now, did he impress me last year? No.
But, I haven't seen him this year. And I choose to hold judgement until I see just how horrible he is.
Truly, give him a break. Things always shake out and he IS a Hawkeye.
I agree with your general sentiment but maybe you could have worded that another way
Ellingson has one of the purest jump shots on the team. It appears he lost his confidence last year and never recovered. The big question in my mind is whether he can bounce back early this season, find his role, and earn more playing time.
Most posters here have already written him off as a bust even though, as you mentioned, he just completed his freshman year. I've seen it happen before, Matt Gatens slumped bad too and was deemed a "wasted scholarship" for many posters at one time. There have been many others. I'm pulling for Brady to bounce back. It may not work out but it would be a pretty good story if he does.
I think hawksense was being an Iowa farmer talkin' there. "Yeah, I'll wait and see just how not bad that harvest is before I say it's good."
And now for something completely different (At least three Monte Python guys were in this film....came out same year MP formed.) One can certainly get the feel of a Monty Python sketch from this scene.
And now for something completely different (At least three Monte Python guys were in this film....came out same year MP formed.) One can certainly get the feel of a Monty Python sketch from this scene.
BE has already been in the program 2 years and is starting his 3rd, academically its his junior year, just like Baer.
Initially, I thought that Dailey was insurance if Peter Jok went pro. I assumed that he was coming in as a 2 guard, because he shot something like 65% from the field and 41% from 3 as a HS senior. Since the opinion of the talent evaluators who assign stars was that he needed to work on his handle, I assumed that he would not be a PG.
I think that this summer muddied the waters. He may end up as a PG. He does seem to have the vision and passing ability.
Of course, we may just have some lineups this year where we don't really know who the PG is.
But I think that he plays. I think that he overtakes Brady Ellingson and sees some minutes. I would love to see Ellingson prove me wrong, by shooting so well that he can't be kept on the bench. But I think that Dailey offers more versatility, in comparison to Ellingson, who is really a true shooting guard.
I think that this summer muddied the waters. He may end up as a PG. He does seem to have the vision and passing ability.
Of course, we may just have some lineups this year where we don't really know who the PG is.
But I think that he plays. I think that he overtakes Brady Ellingson and sees some minutes. I would love to see Ellingson prove me wrong, by shooting so well that he can't be kept on the bench. But I think that Dailey offers more versatility, in comparison to Ellingson, who is really a true shooting guard.
That's right. In the summer leading up to his freshman season Ellingson had surgery to fix a foot injury which he suffered as a senior in high school. The condition lingered post-surgery into the Fall and, after playing several games for Iowa in 2014 (32 min. 4-8, all 3PT FGs), he was unable to continue so Fran and the Iowa medical staff decided to sit him the rest of the season.
It is true that Brady has now been in the program two years but most of his true freshman season was in street clothes and a boot. In the summer of 2015 the NCAA approved Ellingson's application for medical hardship and granted him an extra year of eligibility.
BE probably had better stats than any of the guards if you're using PTL as any basis.
I woudn't count BE out just yet.
Jones was lean, but strong. MD looks to be skinnier than I ever remember Jones. You're right though, he can most definitely play, and I think he might play quite a bit if he's comfortable on the stage as a freshman.
I agree with your general sentiment but maybe you could have worded that another way
Ellingson has one of the purest jump shots on the team. It appears he lost his confidence last year and never recovered. The big question in my mind is whether he can bounce back early this season, find his role, and earn more playing time.
Most posters here have already written him off as a bust even though, as you mentioned, he just completed his freshman year. I've seen it happen before, Matt Gatens slumped bad too and was deemed a "wasted scholarship" for many posters at one time. There have been many others. I'm pulling for Brady to bounce back. It may not work out but it would be a pretty good story if he does.
An attempt at humor. I got it. Hopefully, others did, too.
The Hawks don't need another JR Angle (a good Hawk), but he took up a scholly for 5 years that could have been put to better use with another, more talented, player.
If Herby were here you'd be in for a big time scolding. Not a single height, weight, or star rating to be found in your entire post!
I agree with your general sentiment but maybe you could have worded that another way
Ellingson has one of the purest jump shots on the team. It appears he lost his confidence last year and never recovered. The big question in my mind is whether he can bounce back early this season, find his role, and earn more playing time.
Most posters here have already written him off as a bust even though, as you mentioned, he just completed his freshman year. I've seen it happen before, Matt Gatens slumped bad too and was deemed a "wasted scholarship" for many posters at one time. There have been many others. I'm pulling for Brady to bounce back. It may not work out but it would be a pretty good story if he does.
Oglesby 2.0?
As far as 3pt%, BE is so far similar to JO. Also similar are their other values as players. However, BE is competing vs generally more physically gifted but (except Jok) less experienced players than JO was. Therefore, if BE is averaging more minutes in March than January, I'll be disappointed in the progress of our younger guards.
He may be bad. He may be good. Only time tells.
Here's to hoping that the free-for-all shooting of Jok and possibly Boha light a fire under a shooter like BE. Hell, the whole team, for that matter. At least the ones who are allowed to shoot from beyond the arc.
Kent McCausland used to light it up from 3 and he wasn't a supreme athlete. He was a weapon who lead us back against Kansas, back in the day.
Here's to hoping that the free-for-all shooting of Jok and possibly Boha light a fire under a shooter like BE. Hell, the whole team, for that matter. At least the ones who are allowed to shoot from beyond the arc.
Kent McCausland used to light it up from 3 and he wasn't a supreme athlete. He was a weapon who lead us back against Kansas, back in the day.
No one knows for sure. Oglesby has a four year resume on the books; Ellingson has one season completed.
There is no way to high grade his freshman season because he was inconsistent at best (even though he had his best 3PT shooting performances against higher rated opponents Dayton 3 of 5 and Purdue 2 of 4 - both on the road). Fran McCaffery will continue to give him opportunities to prove his worth so we shall see. As I said before, I think the non-con portion of this season's schedule might be a critical juncture in his career.
