Revisiting Maishe Dailey

[KeyWest Tim]

I like him but hope he Redshirts.

I'd like to get 4 solid years from him.

This year it's time to see what we have with Moss and Ellingson.

Let him get stronger and a full year of practice.

 

[Kurt Warner]

This will be a make or break year for ellingson.

 

[CanadaHawk]

I like him but hope he Redshirts.

I'd like to get 4 solid years from him.

This year it's time to see what we have with Moss and Ellingson.

Let him get stronger and a full year of practice.

On the other hand, we are looking for guard play from new sources this year. If Dailey can offer things that are needed, particularly if he can surpass BE in the rotation as early as this season, I would hope Fran plays him. When you're trying to build a program for the future, the future is now.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

This will be a make or break year for ellingson.

He was broke the past two years.

 

[Legend12]

He was broke the past two years.

Hey-o!

 

[hawk-i bob]

Ellingson isn't the first redshirt freshman to struggle with this shot in the B1G. Considering he averaged less than 2 shot attempts per game hitting on 46%...IMO its premature to say whether his role increases, stay's the same or is less in terms of minutes. It could be said coming off the bench (cold) and taking a limited number of shots is not easy.

With the addition of Dailey & Moss coming off redshirt .. there certainly will be plenty of competition. Doesn't matter who wins out...all that matters are wins.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Ellingson isn't the first redshirt freshman to struggle with this shot in the B1G. Considering he averaged less than 2 shot attempts per game hitting on 46%...IMO its premature to say whether his role increases, stay's the same or is less in terms of minutes. It could be said coming off the bench (cold) and taking a limited number of shots is not easy.

With the addition of Dailey & Moss coming off redshirt .. there certainly will be plenty of competition. Doesn't matter who wins out...all that matters are wins.

I will definitely give BE another shot. He can still sling it. Hopefully he can get it done with the lights on.... And play a little defense too.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I will definitely give BE another shot. He can still sling it. Hopefully he can get it done with the lights on.... And play a little defense too.

and Fran is going to as well ...

 

[icwesthawk]

It's who will play better defense, that's who will play.

 

[iabcuda]

On defense there isn't a game changer, all average for D1ers, so don't screw up on defense & whoever scores will play.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Ellingson isn't the first redshirt freshman to struggle with this shot in the B1G. Considering he averaged less than 2 shot attempts per game hitting on 46%...IMO its premature to say whether his role increases, stay's the same or is less in terms of minutes. It could be said coming off the bench (cold) and taking a limited number of shots is not easy.

With the addition of Dailey & Moss coming off redshirt .. there certainly will be plenty of competition. Doesn't matter who wins out...all that matters are wins.

He doesn't bring much to the table, IMO. Not a strong ball handler, passer or defender.

 

[Ronman]

Certainly can't think of any redshirt Juniors who have blossomed for their teams in the history of college athletics.

 

[SSG T]

Certainly can't think of any redshirt Juniors who have blossomed for their teams in the history of college athletics.

Am I missing something? What does Jones have to do with any of this?

 

[hawk-i bob]

He doesn't bring much to the table, IMO. Not a strong ball handler, passer or defender.

understand your opinion...I just cant compare BE to Moss or to Dailey (neither of whom have played a single minute including in B1G games). My attitude is wait & see. BE is a smart kid...more so since he is on the roster..he will have the chance to compete in practice. The way I see it ... as I posted before..doesn't matter who wins minutes..all that matters is wins.

Just not ready to judge a redshirt sophomore ... or a redshirt freshman or a true freshman. I'm sure Fran will make that judgement come fall practice.

 

[hawk-i bob]

On defense there isn't a game changer, all average for D1ers, so don't screw up on defense & whoever scores will play.

I don't know how one can say average defenders..when Moss, Dailey & Bohannon have not played a single minute. And Williams & Ellingson played little. I guess we will see in a few months.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I don't know how one can say average defenders..when Moss, Dailey & Bohannon have not played a single minute. And Williams & Ellingson played little. I guess we will see in a few months.

It's a little early to tell. Fran hasn't proven to be a defensive minded coach so far. I don't expect that to change.

 

[CanadaHawk]

understand your opinion...I just cant compare BE to Moss or to Dailey (neither of whom have played a single minute including in B1G games). My attitude is wait & see. BE is a smart kid...more so since he is on the roster..he will have the chance to compete in practice. The way I see it ... as I posted before..doesn't matter who wins minutes..all that matters is wins.

Just not ready to judge a redshirt sophomore ... or a redshirt freshman or a true freshman. I'm sure Fran will make that judgement come fall practice.

I see what you're saying. BE has put in the time and should be given a chance. But unless he becomes a 'lights out' shooter, he just doesn't have the upside. He 'might' get in the 2-3-deeps this year because of experience. But it won't get any easier. Next year MD will be stronger, Moss will probably be established, then there's Connor in 2017 and Wieskamp in 2018. "But Connor's a PG" I'll hear. Then does JB go to 3rd string or CW to 2G? More likely, more minutes will leak into SG from this group, giving even more competition. Which for the team is great. But for someone like BE... if he's not 'really' excelling this year, and others are adequate and improving, maybe it's better to go with the upside- for him and the team.

 

[hawk-i bob]

It's a little early to tell. Fran hasn't proven to be a defensive minded coach so far. I don't expect that to change.

Iowa was 6th in the B1G last year in terms of Pts Allowed...about in the middle. Playing both ends is important. Andrew Fleming might have thought whoever scores will play...that didn't work out so well. What you have in an Ellingson is a team player, smart player & committed...that's why he is still here & AF is not.

I agree its early to know how minutes will play out but some feel BE doesn't have the skills to be in the rotation. It will play out.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

It's gonna be real interesting to see how Fran uses Conner his FR year.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Iowa was 6th in the B1G last year in terms of Pts Allowed...about in the middle. Playing both ends is important. Andrew Fleming might have thought whoever scores will play...that didn't work out so well. What you have in an Ellingson is a team player, smart player & committed...that's why he is still here & AF is not.

I agree its early to know how minutes will play out but some feel BE doesn't have the skills to be in the rotation. It will play out.

With 4 SR starters and a JR, 6th place is actually disappointing. They've been playing together a long enough time.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I see what you're saying. BE has put in the time and should be given a chance. But unless he becomes a 'lights out' shooter, he just doesn't have the upside. He 'might' get in the 2-3-deeps this year because of experience. But it won't get any easier. Next year MD will be stronger, Moss will probably be established, then there's Connor in 2017 and Wieskamp in 2018. "But Connor's a PG" I'll hear. Then does JB go to 3rd string or CW to 2G? More likely, more minutes will leak into SG from this group, giving even more competition. Which for the team is great. But for someone like BE... if he's not 'really' excelling this year, and others are adequate and improving, maybe it's better to go with the upside- for him and the team.

I think we basically agree...Ellingson isn't going to get minutes because he has "put in the time"...and of course he should given a chance..he is on the roster after all. If Ellingson is beat out by others...so be it.

 

[hawk-i bob]

With 4 SR starters and a JR, 6th place is actually disappointing. They've been playing together a long enough time.

other than wisc .... pts allowed per game in B1G games only.. with the other 5 was like a single field goal...so not a real huge difference.. I do know (directly) that Fran isn't shy about pointing out efforts on defense or lack of.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

other than wisc .... pts allowed per game in B1G games only.. with the other 5 was like a single field goal...so not a real huge difference.. I do know (directly) that Fran isn't shy about pointing out efforts on defense or lack of.

All coaches point out those efforts or lack there of. The coaches that are serious about good defense won't play you if you don't give 100% effort.
It's not worth arguing about. Just a difference in philosophy.

 

[hawk-i bob]

All coaches point out those efforts or lack there of. The coaches that are serious about good defense won't play you if you don't give 100% effort.
It's not worth arguing about. Just a difference in philosophy.

I'm not arguing...sorry if you think I am.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I'm not arguing...sorry if you think I am.

It's all good.