RFK is Going to Run Independent
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He is a Kennedy that's all the matters to millions of liberals. He is Bidens worst nightmare.
Ha, says the guy that votes for the letter R. Trumpy could bone your wife right in front of you, spit on her, and call her a whore and you’d still lick his wiener cleaner and vote for him in 2024.
Besides his anti-vax stuff, he's also an old white guy. No thanks.
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The only people I hear talking about RFK are MAGA members in my social orbit…so I’m going to guess that he would take more Trump supporters than Biden.
But let’s be real, if George Washington himself (aka Donald J Trump) is on the ballot all of them are voting for him not some crazy Kennedy.
But let’s be real, if George Washington himself (aka Donald J Trump) is on the ballot all of them are voting for him not some crazy Kennedy.
Lol and the alternatives are??? Two even older white guys.
Give me one that's actually in sharp physical and mental condition and not already in the pockets of corporations and other countries.
He’s not sharp mentally. He’s a nutball.
It's not maga he's appealing too, it's anyone not already completely brainwashed by the two parties.
Maga are still Trump no matter what. Any true Democrat that would listen to him independent from what you're being told by mass media, would back him completely. He'd be the perfect candidate to blow up our corrupt two party system, which is why they're in all out attack mode against him. You're a dupe for believing them.
"I'm not brainwashed, I believe this Kennedy is anti-establishment. You know, the guy I never would have heard of if his grandfather didn't get rich manipulating the stock market. He's going to shock the system."
Kennedy is nowhere near a Democrat. He's a whacked out weirdo fruit job. He'd be Republican recruit if he were more sane.
This is the dnc messaging folks, straight from their very own otherwise unemployable bots.
Don't fall for it.
Is his grandfather running? What does it have to do with anything RFKjr is talking about policy wise, and why does he scare you so much? You're not going to lose your free ride, don't worry.
More dnc messaging. Note how it's always the same few words. Nothing policy, always about him being some whack job bc they know how easily the sheep will accept it.
His vaccine stance is crazy and so are you.
Coming from you, that's probably the best compliment anyone could receive. Being polar opposite from you on literally any possible topic is a very good thing.
Gee, Ron, I didn't think you could find the Off Topic section. You should stay here.
And BTW, while we agree on many things, I try not to pollute EVERY thread with politics, unlike you. Have a beautiful day.
The American right’s efforts to elevate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. were as transparent as they were cynical. The idea, as advanced by Stephen K. Bannon and the like, was clearly to try to embarrass President Biden in the Democratic primary. So they used Kennedy’s inflated early poll standing as an excuse to treat the primary challenge from a fringe figure as something real and threatening.
Fox News picked up the ball and ran with it, publishing many dozens of stories and featuring him regularly on-air. House Republicans even invited him to testify on Capitol Hill.
It hasn’t worked. And now, it’s looking as if the whole thing could backfire.
The latest indications are that Kennedy will end his Democratic primary challenge against Biden and instead run in the general election. Mediaite reported Friday that he will declare an independent bid on Oct. 9, and Kennedy is now teasing a major announcement on that date, while saying and doing the kinds of things that suggest Mediaite’s report is accurate.
(Asked to comment on whether the report was true, Kennedy’s campaign merely responded with a link to a video previewing his Oct. 9 announcement.)
And while Kennedy is a lifelong Democrat from the country’s preeminent Democratic family, there is plenty of reason to believe that a third-party bid could hurt Donald Trump more than Biden.
There is no good polling that tests a Kennedy third-party bid. What we do know is that Republicans like Kennedy a heck of a lot more than Democrats do. That was true pretty shortly after he launched his campaign in April, and the gap has now grown into a chasm.
The latest polling from Quinnipiac University shows that Republicans like Kennedy by a 30-point margin, 48 percent favorable to 18 percent unfavorable.
Democrats, meanwhile, have developed an overwhelming distaste. The Quinnipiac poll shows just 14 percent have a favorable opinion of him, compared with 57 percent who have an unfavorable one.
Democrats never particularly liked Kennedy, despite what you might have been led to believe. But he’s gone from 14 points underwater (more unfavorable than favorable) with them in mid-June, to 23 points underwater in late June, to 26 points in July, to 31 points in August, and now to 43 points underwater.
As for Republicans, they like Kennedy better than they like many of the top GOP presidential candidates. They even like him better than entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and former vice president Mike Pence and about as much as former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley and Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.). (Only Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis are clearly more popular.)
He’s about as polarizing (with Republicans in favor and Democrats opposed) as Ramaswamy. And he’s less popular among Democrats than Haley and former New Jersey governor Chris Christie.
Imagine if any of these GOP candidates were to drop out and wage a third-party campaign; we could be talking about a potential spoiler for Trump’s general-election hopes, not Biden’s.
This comes with some caveats.
One big one is that we don’t know what kind of ballot access Kennedy might get in key states — a hurdle for any third-party candidate. The New York Times previously reported that he had been in talks with the Libertarian Party, which could help with that, but running on his own would mean collecting large amounts of signatures.
“The vast majority of states have fairly easy ballot access requirements for presidential candidates who run outside the two major parties,” said third-party ballot access expert Richard Winger. But Winger added that Kennedy “would have a far easier ballot access path as the [Libertarian] nominee.”
Another caveat is that it matters which voters might be up for grabs in a contest between Trump and Biden. While a greater percentage of Republicans than Democrats like Kennedy, indications seem to be that Kennedy’s potential base (conspiratorial, anti-establishment, anti-vaccine people) overlaps significantly with Trump-oriented voters. If those voters like Kennedy but already have a home, it mitigates the impact.
But even many Trump-skeptical Republicans like him. While his numbers in the Quinnipiac poll were better among Republicans who back Trump in the GOP primary — 53 percent favorable to 17 percent unfavorable — his split among non-Trump-supporting GOP primary voters was still well in positive territory, at 40-18.
We’ve also seen that the number of Republican-leaning voters who are dissatisfied with Trump as their nominee rivals the number of Democrats who are dissatisfied with Biden as their option. And these numbers suggest that Kennedy has significantly more appeal to the political right than to the political left.
Kennedy has so little political appeal on the left, as we recapped from a poll this summer in New Hampshire, that very few left-leaning voters see him as an option:
Fox News picked up the ball and ran with it, publishing many dozens of stories and featuring him regularly on-air. House Republicans even invited him to testify on Capitol Hill.
It hasn’t worked. And now, it’s looking as if the whole thing could backfire.
The latest indications are that Kennedy will end his Democratic primary challenge against Biden and instead run in the general election. Mediaite reported Friday that he will declare an independent bid on Oct. 9, and Kennedy is now teasing a major announcement on that date, while saying and doing the kinds of things that suggest Mediaite’s report is accurate.
(Asked to comment on whether the report was true, Kennedy’s campaign merely responded with a link to a video previewing his Oct. 9 announcement.)
And while Kennedy is a lifelong Democrat from the country’s preeminent Democratic family, there is plenty of reason to believe that a third-party bid could hurt Donald Trump more than Biden.
There is no good polling that tests a Kennedy third-party bid. What we do know is that Republicans like Kennedy a heck of a lot more than Democrats do. That was true pretty shortly after he launched his campaign in April, and the gap has now grown into a chasm.
The latest polling from Quinnipiac University shows that Republicans like Kennedy by a 30-point margin, 48 percent favorable to 18 percent unfavorable.
Democrats, meanwhile, have developed an overwhelming distaste. The Quinnipiac poll shows just 14 percent have a favorable opinion of him, compared with 57 percent who have an unfavorable one.
Democrats never particularly liked Kennedy, despite what you might have been led to believe. But he’s gone from 14 points underwater (more unfavorable than favorable) with them in mid-June, to 23 points underwater in late June, to 26 points in July, to 31 points in August, and now to 43 points underwater.
As for Republicans, they like Kennedy better than they like many of the top GOP presidential candidates. They even like him better than entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and former vice president Mike Pence and about as much as former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley and Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.). (Only Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis are clearly more popular.)
He’s about as polarizing (with Republicans in favor and Democrats opposed) as Ramaswamy. And he’s less popular among Democrats than Haley and former New Jersey governor Chris Christie.
Imagine if any of these GOP candidates were to drop out and wage a third-party campaign; we could be talking about a potential spoiler for Trump’s general-election hopes, not Biden’s.
This comes with some caveats.
One big one is that we don’t know what kind of ballot access Kennedy might get in key states — a hurdle for any third-party candidate. The New York Times previously reported that he had been in talks with the Libertarian Party, which could help with that, but running on his own would mean collecting large amounts of signatures.
“The vast majority of states have fairly easy ballot access requirements for presidential candidates who run outside the two major parties,” said third-party ballot access expert Richard Winger. But Winger added that Kennedy “would have a far easier ballot access path as the [Libertarian] nominee.”
Another caveat is that it matters which voters might be up for grabs in a contest between Trump and Biden. While a greater percentage of Republicans than Democrats like Kennedy, indications seem to be that Kennedy’s potential base (conspiratorial, anti-establishment, anti-vaccine people) overlaps significantly with Trump-oriented voters. If those voters like Kennedy but already have a home, it mitigates the impact.
But even many Trump-skeptical Republicans like him. While his numbers in the Quinnipiac poll were better among Republicans who back Trump in the GOP primary — 53 percent favorable to 17 percent unfavorable — his split among non-Trump-supporting GOP primary voters was still well in positive territory, at 40-18.
We’ve also seen that the number of Republican-leaning voters who are dissatisfied with Trump as their nominee rivals the number of Democrats who are dissatisfied with Biden as their option. And these numbers suggest that Kennedy has significantly more appeal to the political right than to the political left.
Kennedy has so little political appeal on the left, as we recapped from a poll this summer in New Hampshire, that very few left-leaning voters see him as an option:
Those people who elevated Kennedy are apparently about to confront a very different situation, which might not play out quite as they had hoped.
Washington Post running the exact dnc talking points, and pushed by another dnc bot. Right on point.
LOL, there are very few people under the age of 70 who care about the last name Kennedy anymore. You do realize they died 60 years ago, right?
No. He doesn't work with liberals. He's a wacked out fruitcake. He's got the fringe weirdos. No doubt will siphon off some mindless, gullible wingnuts.
Doh! So we know what he will be doing and why.
If Biden loses 3% of the suburban housewife vote alone he is toast. He's down 20 points with Hispanics and blacks from 2020. 3% will end him.
If he was the main card for the democrats he'd beat trump imo. As he stands now he's mostly inconsequential but will pull votes for sure. It may not be a ton, but he's going to be blamed at the end of the day by whichever side loses lol
You could vote trump in that circumstance
Personally I lump them together. I find them unpalatable for very similar reasons.
