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Ridiculous NYT Hit Piece on Rubio re: Traffic Infractions

I haven't seen any lefty here condoning this trivial criticism of Rubio. Huey seems to be ok with it. He's comparing it to Benghazi.

If you want it to be about real issues, I'm COMPLETELY on board. But why did you only list those. What about climate change, education, science, Social Security, income inequality, and so on. All of those you listed are real issues(is 'science' really an issue for the majority of voters?). I listed the ones I think will be foremost on voters minds come election time, as they were all major parts of the last election. I think as we get closer to the election we can have another debate about which of those issues will be the most important, but I'm ok with those as well.

You know what's orders of magnitudes worse than a puff piece on Rubio's tickets? Serious climate change denial. Which you see every day on FOX. Number 1, I don't watch Fox. Number 2, I know climate change is big on your list. I'm one of those people who agrees the planet is warming(but I keep reading stories that say it stopped warming years ago), but I respectfully disagree about how much man is causing it. I assume you will disrespectfully call me a denier, but that's up to you. It doesn't really help sway your argument when you do that, but oh well.

Ticketgate is ludicrous. But at least it seems to be based in truth. What your excuse for the climate denier nonsense? You are comparing the importance of climate change and ticketgate? What I'm more at odds with is that the NYT being a mouthpiece for the Democratic party. We know Fox and MSNBC are slanted, and I've always known the NYT is too. Just pissed me off for it to become this obvious and people still act like the NYT isn't biased.

Oh, and props for not defending Hillary's use of the server. At least your honest enough not to defend that. More than we can say for Huey and Ciggy.
 
I may not have all the facts right on this, but wasn't Hillary's private server either against the law or policy? Is the same true of the others? I believe Powell did the same thing as Hillary, but when he did it there was no law. The law came about later making Hill's offence different.
No, nothing she did was against the law. The only requirement she had with emails is that they had to be archived and given over upon request. Two criteria she has had no problem fulfilling. The law you're speaking of actually got passed after Hillary's use of personal emails, so she's covered there too.
 
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No need to look up this info on Bill and Hillary they have had other people driving them around for the last couple of decades.

You know like all the common folk do.
 
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Let's be honest with ourselves here. This isn't about private accounts or private servers. It's about the right trying make this election about Hillary instead of dealing with the real problems of this country. Simply put, the Republicans have no ideas on how to fix our problems. Half the time they pretend that they problems don't even exist. From the wealth gap, to healthcare, to Climate Change, the GOP tries sweeping them all under the carpet. The Republicans don't care about the middle class. YEP! All those middle class Republicans don't care about themselves at all. They don't care about education. NOPE! Not at all. They want all their kids to get a poor education. They don't care about jobs or the environment. EXACTLY! Republicans don't need jobs...OR the environment. All they care about is lining the rich's pockets just a little bit more. It's not enough that the rich own most of the country, now the Republicans want them to own our democracy, too. Have you ever met a Republican in real life? Or do you just go off what you read on DemocratUnderground.com?

If you want to discuss the issues, let's discuss the issues. But to make your platform all about personal Hillary attacks, and then complain that personal attacks against Rubio is out-of-bounds, is beyond childish. Jesus....you are STILL comparing Benghazi to traffic tickets. Benghazi is a personal attack? 4 AMERICANS DIED.

Damn...you crammed a ton of stupid into one post.
 
No, nothing she did was against the law. The only requirement she had with emails is that they had to be archived and given over upon request. Two criteria she has had no problem fulfilling. The law you're speaking of actually got passed after Hillary's use of personal emails, so she's covered there too.

SO WHY DID SHE NEED HER OWN SERVER???
 
No, nothing she did was against the law. The only requirement she had with emails is that they had to be archived and given over upon request. Two criteria she has had no problem fulfilling. The law you're speaking of actually got passed after Hillary's use of personal emails, so she's covered there too.
Ok, I feel better now. I had understood the situation differently.
 
Oh, and props for not defending Hillary's use of the server. At least your honest enough not to defend that. More than we can say for Huey and Ciggy.
Yes, let's make it about foreign policy, illegal immigration, Obamacare and the economy.
I would love to have the election about all of these things and more, but the plain fact is that the GOP doesn't. ISIS is just as much of a Republican problem as a Democratic one. In fact Rand Paul blames the Republicans for the rise of ISIS. As far as immigration goes, the Republicans still oppose reform and have no solution beyond building electric fences. The Republicans have no alternative ready to go for healthcare. And whatever plans they do have, it's likely millions will be left without coverage if they get their way. And the economy is steadily doing better. In fact, we just added 280,000 jobs last month and over a million jobs in 2015 alone. So the Republicans are running from this issue, as well.

Make no mistake, the Republicans are desperately trying to avoid an issues-based election.
 
Marco Rubio and His Wife Cited 17 Times for Traffic Infractions, screams the headline on the NYT hit piece. When you actually read the article, you learn that they went back to 1997 to dig up that many infractions. Later, you learn that during that entire period of time Rubio had 4 citatations and his wife had 13, but 2 of his and 7 of hers were dismissed. (Btw - if you look at the picture with the linked article - you can see why. With a nod to the Lounge, she looks fast.)

So, we have a speedy wife and somehow it's about him. Even worse is the preachy tone of the text. If I didn't know better, I'd think the article was in The Onion instead of the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...ife-cited-17-times-for-traffic-infractions-2/
wow, 4 tickets in 18 years! How can he possibly be president?!?! This is an outrage!
 
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Please. The email "scandal" is just like Benghazi. It's politically motivated. How do we know this is true? Because every last Secretary of State before Hillary used private emails and most of the GOP candidates used them as well. But you don't see the GOP going after any of this do you?


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SO WHY DID SHE NEED HER OWN SERVER???
Why do the Republicans need their own servers? Private emails are like weed in Washington. Everyone has done it. So why the outrage over Hillary? And why didn't you put Bush in your above complaint now that you know that he did the same exact thing as Hillary?
 
No, nothing she did was against the law. The only requirement she had with emails is that they had to be archived and given over upon request. Two criteria she has had no problem fulfilling. The law you're speaking of actually got passed after Hillary's use of personal emails, so she's covered there too.
So everyone in government should have their own server and just turn over the e-mails they think they should.
 
Benghazi has had a 13 hearings and 6 investigations. And all of them have found the same exact thing: No evidence of any wrongdoing. But hey, maybe Gowdy will get lucky on investigation number 7...
 
So everyone in government should have their own server and just turn over the e-mails they think they should.
Who knows? But one thing is for sure. This isn't so much of a "Hillary" problem as an "everyone in Washington" problem. If you want to complain about private emails, that has merit. But to pretend like Hillary was the only one using them is ridiculous.
 
No need to look up this info on Bill and Hillary they have had other people driving them around for the last couple of decades.

You know like all the common folk do.

Never fear you winger nut
Hillary's gonna pound yer butt
 
Me too. Do you think they were unjustly profiled or did they use their position to get off?

This could be of import.

If elected he wouldn't drive, but if elected he could make all sorts of tickets go away.

On the other hand, law enforcement in his state may be incompetent.

Now I'm intrigued.
 
For the same reason a whole host of officials in the bush admin used a private email server owned by the RNC!!!


Nice try.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/05/perino-clintons-email-scandal-not-2007-bush-email-controversy

During "The Real Story" today, Gretchen Carlson reported that Hillary Clinton has broken her silence, requesting that the State Department release the emails associated with the private account she used while serving as secretary of state.
Carlson explained that in 2007, Clinton was outraged while she was a senator about what some claimed was President George W. Bush's administration hiding information on secret email servers.
Clinton bashed the administration in a video stating that "our Constitution is being shredded...we know about the secret White House email accounts. It is a stunning record of secrecy and corruption..."
Fox News chief White House correspondent, Ed Henry, and former White House press secretary, Dana Perino, explained to Carlson what was really going on in 2007 and how it is different from the current situation Clinton is in.
"I appreciate the opportunity to clarify this," Perino said. "Some have suggested what Hillary Clinton is accused of doing, was the same as what the Democrats accused some people in the White House of doing back in 2007."
Perino explained that Bush administration had two email accounts, one for official government business and another for Republican National Committee business. She said that what is happening now to Clinton is completely different from 2007.
"She is the head of a government department, she's a cabinet secretary and under the Obama administration guidelines and the State Department guidelines of 1995, 2009, and 2013, say any government business has to be done on an official government account," Perino said. "To me that's very black and white."

"I think Dana is mostly right there, that there is difference here in that Secretary Clinton is not accused of mixing private and official email," Henry added. "She basically only used private email, and never used State Department email."
 
Why do the Republicans need their own servers? Private emails are like weed in Washington. Everyone has done it. So why the outrage over Hillary? And why didn't you put Bush in your above complaint now that you know that he did the same exact thing as Hillary?

I did say let's ask Bush AND Clinton about his server in my prior post, you ignored it.

Also, did a little digging on Jeb's server. All public and above board. Hillary, not so much.



http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jeb-bush-owns-his-own-email-server

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush owns the server that runs jeb@jeb.org, the personal email account he used as governor to conduct official, political and personal business.
Asked who controls the server that operates that email address, Bush spokeswoman Kristy Campbell responded: “He owns it.”
The server was housed in a state-owned office building during the years that Bush served as governor, from 1999 until early 2007. A Bush source familiar with the situation said there were “digital security” measures in place to protect Bush’s emails, but declined to elaborate on how the server and its data were physically and digitally kept from harm. The aide also declined to elaborate on whether the server was “homebrew,” as an email server housed in Hillary Clinton’s Chappaqua home was described by The Associated Press in a Wednesday report.
Using a personal email address and running the address on a personally owned can help protect emails from subpoenas and other legal actions.
Privately, Democrats have been quick to point the finger at Bush for using a personal email as Clinton has come under scrutiny for not having a government email address when she was Secretary of State. Republicans argue the two situations are far from the same.
The existence of Bush’s private email address was widely known to the public and to the press when he served as governor, and he routinely fielded public and press inquiries himself using the address.
Under Florida’s sunshine law, Bush was required to release the emails that related to conducting state business. Those emails are available
online. A Bush aide said there was a process in place to decide which emails fell into that category and that Bush staffers and his general counsel’s office decided which ones to release.
On Thursday, Bush on his Twitter account urged Hillary Clinton to release her emails. “Transparency matters. Unclassified @HillaryClinton emails should be released. You can see mine, here,” he tweeted, including the link to his emails.
 
I did say let's ask Bush AND Clinton about his server in my prior post, you ignored it.

Also, did a little digging on Jeb's server. All public and above board. Hillary, not so much.



http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jeb-bush-owns-his-own-email-server

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush owns the server that runs jeb@jeb.org, the personal email account he used as governor to conduct official, political and personal business.
Asked who controls the server that operates that email address, Bush spokeswoman Kristy Campbell responded: “He owns it.”
The server was housed in a state-owned office building during the years that Bush served as governor, from 1999 until early 2007. A Bush source familiar with the situation said there were “digital security” measures in place to protect Bush’s emails, but declined to elaborate on how the server and its data were physically and digitally kept from harm. The aide also declined to elaborate on whether the server was “homebrew,” as an email server housed in Hillary Clinton’s Chappaqua home was described by The Associated Press in a Wednesday report.
Using a personal email address and running the address on a personally owned can help protect emails from subpoenas and other legal actions.
Privately, Democrats have been quick to point the finger at Bush for using a personal email as Clinton has come under scrutiny for not having a government email address when she was Secretary of State. Republicans argue the two situations are far from the same.
The existence of Bush’s private email address was widely known to the public and to the press when he served as governor, and he routinely fielded public and press inquiries himself using the address.
Under Florida’s sunshine law, Bush was required to release the emails that related to conducting state business. Those emails are available
online. A Bush aide said there was a process in place to decide which emails fell into that category and that Bush staffers and his general counsel’s office decided which ones to release.
On Thursday, Bush on his Twitter account urged Hillary Clinton to release her emails. “Transparency matters. Unclassified @HillaryClinton emails should be released. You can see mine, here,” he tweeted, including the link to his emails.
Yep, you got me. Jeb owning and controlling a private server is nothing like Hillary owning and controlling a private server simply because Jeb kept his server in his office instead of his house. It's so clear now. You sure owned me good. Oh wait. Turns our that Jeb took the server with him after he left office...And he only turned over about half of his emails...And he turned them over only after he left office...And was still releasing emails a full seven years after he left office. But beyond that, the two situations are entirely different. Damn, you so smart.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...7fae16-ca49-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/u...-took-time-releasing-his-own-emails.html?_r=0
 
Yep, you got me. Jeb owning and controlling a private server is nothing like Hillary owning and controlling a private server simply because Jeb kept his server in his office instead of his house. It's so clear now. You sure owned me good. Oh wait. Turns our that Jeb took the server with him after he left office...And he only turned over about half of his emails...And he turned them over only after he left office...And was still releasing emails a full seven years after he left office. But beyond that, the two situations are entirely different. Damn, you so smart.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...7fae16-ca49-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/u...-took-time-releasing-his-own-emails.html?_r=0


Are you dense? Jeb's was public, Hillary's was secret. You don't see the difference?
 
Let's be honest with ourselves here. This isn't about private accounts or private servers. It's about the right trying make this election about Hillary instead of dealing with the real problems of this country. Simply put, the Republicans have no ideas on how to fix our problems. Half the time they pretend that they problems don't even exist. From the wealth gap, to healthcare, to Climate Change, the GOP tries sweeping them all under the carpet. The Republicans don't care about the middle class. They don't care about education. They don't care about jobs or the environment. All they care about is lining the rich's pockets just a little bit more. It's not enough that the rich own most of the country, now the Republicans want them to own our democracy, too.

If you want to discuss the issues, let's discuss the issues. But to make your platform all about personal Hillary attacks, and then complain that personal attacks against Rubio is out-of-bounds, is beyond childish.


Hey, remember when the left blamed Romney for a woman's death? Boy, that was all about the issues.
 
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Yep, you got me. Jeb owning and controlling a private server is nothing like Hillary owning and controlling a private server simply because Jeb kept his server in his office instead of his house. It's so clear now. You sure owned me good. Oh wait. Turns our that Jeb took the server with him after he left office...And he only turned over about half of his emails...And he turned them over only after he left office...And was still releasing emails a full seven years after he left office. But beyond that, the two situations are entirely different. Damn, you so smart.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...7fae16-ca49-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/u...-took-time-releasing-his-own-emails.html?_r=0

You must mistake me for someone who wants Jeb to be President. How about we take him and Hillary out and call it even.

Let's get to something important to you, like how many speeding tickets Jeb has.
 
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Hey, remember when the left blamed Romney for a woman's death? Boy, that was all about the issues.
Actually I don't remember this. Probably because it was an attack buried so far down on the Democratic playbook, that it never got much airtime. It also serves to highlight what the GOP desperation. While this Romney story was an obscure attack that never hit the bigtime, the emails are all the Republicans can talk about.
 
See my previous post. Let's disqualify Jeb and Hillary. Problem solved.
While I would love to have Hillary step down, neither her nor Jeb appears to have broken the law when it comes to emails. So it shouldn't be something that can disqualify them.
 
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I'm down for this.

And for the last time. I don't care about private email addresses. I know everyone uses them, and not once in this thread did I mention a problem with them.

Now a secret server in a private residence by the Secretary of State? Seems a bit off to me.
 
While I would love to have Hillary step down, neither her nor Jeb appears to have broken the law when it comes to emails. So it shouldn't be something that can disqualify them.

Didn't she specifically promise the Obama administration that she would not do that?
 
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