Riley Moss' speed

[ukrainehawk]

There are some posters on other threads who are claiming that Freshman cornerback Riley Moss does not have as much speed as the other defensive backs on our roster, and is therefore a weak link. One poster has used and others refuted the tired old race card about 'slow white guys;' and the thread has descended to yet another never-ending no-listen argument.

But both sides are missing a very important point. Of course Riley needs to grow and learn and to keep getting better every day. He has a ton of responsibility. But one trait he does not lack is speed. Reference Matthew Bain in a Hawk Central article, "Moss is a state champion hurdler who has run the country’s third-fastest 110 hurdles high school time this year (13.85 seconds). For reference: That time would have won the college men’s 110 hurdles at the Drake Relays, and no other Iowa prep athlete ran faster than 14.26 seconds this year."

If we have four or five other DB's faster than Moss, we are unquestionably the fastest secondary in the nation, probably including the NFL. We're good, but we're not quite that good. So even if one of our number is inclined to use or suggest the stereotype, it's important to note that Riley is NOT an example of the stereotype. He is the exception that completely disproves the rule.

 

[DaCDiggity]

There are some posters on other threads who are claiming that Freshman cornerback Riley Moss does not have as much speed as the other defensive backs on our roster, and is therefore a weak link. One poster has used and others refuted the tired old race card about 'slow white guys;' and the thread has descended to yet another never-ending no-listen argument.

But both sides are missing a very important point. Of course Riley needs to grow and learn and to keep getting better every day. He has a ton of responsibility. But one trait he does not lack is speed. Reference Matthew Bain in a Hawk Central article, "Moss is a state champion hurdler who has run the country’s third-fastest 110 hurdles high school time this year (13.85 seconds). For reference: That time would have won the college men’s 110 hurdles at the Drake Relays, and no other Iowa prep athlete ran faster than 14.26 seconds this year."

If we have four or five other DB's faster than Moss, we are unquestionably the fastest secondary in the nation, probably including the NFL. We're good, but we're not quite that good. So even if one of our number is inclined to use or suggest the stereotype, it's important to note that Riley is NOT an example of the stereotype. He is the exception that completely disproves the rule.

Remember nobody wants to listen, can't wait to see him progress.

 

[Harbinger273]

Yeah I don't think speed is an issue so much as learning technique at the cb position and getting experience in all the scenarios at the position. He has the athleticism to hang. His fluid running ability was apparent on his interception return last week at Minny.

 

[IamHawkeye]

There are some posters on other threads who are claiming that Freshman cornerback Riley Moss does not have as much speed as the other defensive backs on our roster, and is therefore a weak link. One poster has used and others refuted the tired old race card about 'slow white guys;' and the thread has descended to yet another never-ending no-listen argument.

But both sides are missing a very important point. Of course Riley needs to grow and learn and to keep getting better every day. He has a ton of responsibility. But one trait he does not lack is speed. Reference Matthew Bain in a Hawk Central article, "Moss is a state champion hurdler who has run the country’s third-fastest 110 hurdles high school time this year (13.85 seconds). For reference: That time would have won the college men’s 110 hurdles at the Drake Relays, and no other Iowa prep athlete ran faster than 14.26 seconds this year."

If we have four or five other DB's faster than Moss, we are unquestionably the fastest secondary in the nation, probably including the NFL. We're good, but we're not quite that good. So even if one of our number is inclined to use or suggest the stereotype, it's important to note that Riley is NOT an example of the stereotype. He is the exception that completely disproves the rule.

I commented last week about his hurdle time. (although I would say college hurdles are higher than HS). I notice this week Gervase is the one being talked about. I have no idea about his speed, but remember last year he seemed to be able to intercept fairly well. Didn't he get one in the bowl game?

 

[Kurt Warner]

He has always been right on his guy on coverage but has not turned to see the ball sometimes. Which is probably easier said than done. I think he's going to end up being very good

 

[DogBoyRy]

There are some posters on other threads who are claiming that Freshman cornerback Riley Moss does not have as much speed as the other defensive backs on our roster, and is therefore a weak link. One poster has used and others refuted the tired old race card about 'slow white guys;' and the thread has descended to yet another never-ending no-listen argument.

But both sides are missing a very important point. Of course Riley needs to grow and learn and to keep getting better every day. He has a ton of responsibility. But one trait he does not lack is speed. Reference Matthew Bain in a Hawk Central article, "Moss is a state champion hurdler who has run the country’s third-fastest 110 hurdles high school time this year (13.85 seconds). For reference: That time would have won the college men’s 110 hurdles at the Drake Relays, and no other Iowa prep athlete ran faster than 14.26 seconds this year."

If we have four or five other DB's faster than Moss, we are unquestionably the fastest secondary in the nation, probably including the NFL. We're good, but we're not quite that good. So even if one of our number is inclined to use or suggest the stereotype, it's important to note that Riley is NOT an example of the stereotype. He is the exception that completely disproves the rule.

You do realize college hurdles are higher and their is not a correlationright?

 

[bojihawk44]

He's fast, but he's white so he can only be labeled as sneaky fast.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

He's fast, but he's white so he can only be labeled as sneaky fast.

Gym rat with high motor.

 

[bojihawk44]

Gym rat with high motor.

Lunch pail guy. First one in, last one out.

 

[pacnorthhawkeye]

There are some posters on other threads who are claiming that Freshman cornerback Riley Moss does not have as much speed as the other defensive backs on our roster, and is therefore a weak link. One poster has used and others refuted the tired old race card about 'slow white guys;' and the thread has descended to yet another never-ending no-listen argument.

But both sides are missing a very important point. Of course Riley needs to grow and learn and to keep getting better every day. He has a ton of responsibility. But one trait he does not lack is speed. Reference Matthew Bain in a Hawk Central article, "Moss is a state champion hurdler who has run the country’s third-fastest 110 hurdles high school time this year (13.85 seconds). For reference: That time would have won the college men’s 110 hurdles at the Drake Relays, and no other Iowa prep athlete ran faster than 14.26 seconds this year."

If we have four or five other DB's faster than Moss, we are unquestionably the fastest secondary in the nation, probably including the NFL. We're good, but we're not quite that good. So even if one of our number is inclined to use or suggest the stereotype, it's important to note that Riley is NOT an example of the stereotype. He is the exception that completely disproves the rule.

Great post Mr. Moss.

 

[HawkSTL]

I commented last week about his hurdle time. (although I would say college hurdles are higher than HS). I notice this week Gervase is the one being talked about. I have no idea about his speed, but remember last year he seemed to be able to intercept fairly well. Didn't he get one in the bowl game?

Gervase is a mediocre athlete as far as Big Ten free safety’s go. Moss is not. Gervase suceeds based on play recognition and toughness not athleticism.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Phil likes to put our fastest guys at corner ... if possible. If Bob Sanders would have had better cover skills ... I'm willing to bet that Phil would have tried to have him at CB first.

Anyhow, the fast that Moss got the nod at CB is an indicator that Phil both trusts him AND that Phil likes his speed.

 

[cheerscoach]

Gervase is a mediocre athlete as far as Big Ten free safety’s go. Moss is not. Gervase suceeds based on play recognition and toughness not athleticism.

LOL.....that is all.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

Stupid can’t be fixed. The fact that people are still bitching about things in the program despite the success of the season isn’t in any way a reflection on the team. It’s a reflection on them and likely unhappiness in their personal lives.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

He's fast, but he's white so he can only be labeled as sneaky fast.

... and smart.

 

[Daggerfoot]

My favorite white guy line is 'deceptive speed'...

 

[WildTurk]

If you notice on the TD catches Moss has allowed his arm was "right there". He was in good position. He is not getting beat deep. The receivers have just made really nice grabs

 

[Birky]

You do realize college hurdles are higher and their is not a correlationright?

I would say being really fast on high school hurdles is a direct correlation to being really good at the 3” higher college hurdles. My guess is that the guys who are great college hurdlers were almost always great high school hurdlers.

 

[DogBoyRy]

I would say being really fast on high school hurdles is a direct correlation to being really good at the 3” higher college hurdles. My guess is that the guys who are great college hurdlers were almost always great high school hurdlers.

Wrong. Hip height comes into play more in college.
Moss is fast but the first post made it seem like he was as fast as college hurdlers. Not the case.

 

[Sett1997]

Starting as a freshman, coaches see something special ...BTW, San Diego vs Cleveland 2 interceptions today, 1 on each side of the ball.
Kirksey for the Browns, King for the Chargers.

 

[WildTurk]

Starting as a freshman, coaches see something special ...BTW, San Diego vs Cleveland 2 interceptions today, 1 on each side of the ball.
Kirksey for the Browns, King for the Chargers.

King end up with 2 picks?

 

[WildTurk]

Wrong. Hip height comes into play more in college.
Moss is fast but the first post made it seem like he was as fast as college hurdlers. Not the case.

Moss couldn't be a college hurdler if he went that route?

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

I still have my doubts on Moss

 

[Sett1997]

King end up with 2 picks?

You are correct, my bad. Even better!!
Thanks.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

I still have my doubts on Moss

The rest of us will plan on him being an All-American then.

 

[thecarls]

Is Riley as fast as his brother Dinero “Money” Moss?!?!?

 

[millah_22]

People see him get picked on in his first start and write him off even though he had 2 interceptions. He gave up 1 TD on a short field last week. He's doing fine.

 

[mtdew_fever]

Any Hawk fan that gives Moss scrutiny at this point is just being a dick. Suggesting he lacks speed is pure lack of knowledge.

Let's take a step back and remember he is a true freshman. His raw speed isnt an issue. He currently lacks experience.....which is assumed for a 1st year guy.

 

[INXS83]

There are some posters on other threads who are claiming that Freshman cornerback Riley Moss does not have as much speed as the other defensive backs on our roster, and is therefore a weak link. One poster has used and others refuted the tired old race card about 'slow white guys;' and the thread has descended to yet another never-ending no-listen argument.

But both sides are missing a very important point. Of course Riley needs to grow and learn and to keep getting better every day. He has a ton of responsibility. But one trait he does not lack is speed. Reference Matthew Bain in a Hawk Central article, "Moss is a state champion hurdler who has run the country’s third-fastest 110 hurdles high school time this year (13.85 seconds). For reference: That time would have won the college men’s 110 hurdles at the Drake Relays, and no other Iowa prep athlete ran faster than 14.26 seconds this year."

If we have four or five other DB's faster than Moss, we are unquestionably the fastest secondary in the nation, probably including the NFL. We're good, but we're not quite that good. So even if one of our number is inclined to use or suggest the stereotype, it's important to note that Riley is NOT an example of the stereotype. He is the exception that completely disproves the rule.

Yeah, but does he have good 'hip swivel'?

 

[DogBoyRy]

Moss couldn't be a college hurdler if he went that route?

Read closer. Not what i’m saying.

 

[WildTurk]

Read closer. Not what i’m saying.

okay. So he can or can't be as fast as college hurdlers? How much higher is a college hurdle? Just curious because I have no clue

 

[grayhair81]

I don't think Moss is lacking in speed. He has shown more than adequate closing speed. His problems are in technique and recognition. If you watch any NFL or good college corner, they rub the receiver to slow them up then run hip to hip with them. Moss is allowing guys to fly past him then having to resort to catch-up mode and throw his hands up in desperation. He was badly beaten on Indiana's first touchdown. The underthrow allowed him to close the gap but he was in no position to make a play. His coverage was very similar to the Indiana LB trying to cover Fant on his touchdown. It is very possible he will improve and become a solid corner. Time will tell.

 

[DogBoyRy]

okay. So he can or can't be as fast as college hurdlers? How much higher is a college hurdle? Just curious because I have no clue

3” and yes he could become a good college hurdler. My point was the first poster made it look like he was as fast as college hurdlers now.
Hes not but could be.

 

[WildTurk]

3” and yes he could become a good college hurdler. My point was the first poster made it look like he was as fast as college hurdlers now.
Hes not but could be.

Thanks. 3 inches doesn't sound like much but I'm sure it is in the world of jumping hurdles. Something I could never do in high school

 

[Birky]

Wrong. Hip height comes into play more in college.
Moss is fast but the first post made it seem like he was as fast as college hurdlers. Not the case.

So there is no correlation between being a good high school hurdler and college?

I never said he would beat them either. Your post literally says there is no correlation. Of course there is a correlation. There is a difference, and there is a correlation. It just doesn’t guarantee they will be great college hurdlers.

Correlation? Of course. Guarantee? Of course not. What am I missing?

One more thing. I am sorry for arguing about something so worthless.

 

[MepoDawg#]

I don't think Moss is lacking in speed. He has shown more than adequate closing speed. His problems are in technique and recognition. If you watch any NFL or good college corner, they rub the receiver to slow them up then run hip to hip with them. Moss is allowing guys to fly past him then having to resort to catch-up mode and throw his hands up in desperation. He was badly beaten on Indiana's first touchdown. The underthrow allowed him to close the gap but he was in no position to make a play. His coverage was very similar to the Indiana LB trying to cover Fant on his touchdown. It is very possible he will improve and become a solid corner. Time will tell.

You may want to re-watch the touchdown. He wasn’t beaten badly and it wasn’t underthrown. Fant didn’t beat his guy badly either. Both really good throws and catches.

 

[DogBoyRy]

So there is no correlation between being a good high school hurdler and college?

I never said he would beat them either. Your post literally says there is no correlation. Of course there is a correlation. There is a difference, and there is a correlation. It just doesn’t guarantee they will be great college hurdlers.

Correlation? Of course. Guarantee? Of course not. What am I missing?

One more thing. I am sorry for arguing about something so worthless.

Really want to discuss correlation with an engineer?

 

[cheerscoach]

Really want to discuss correlation with an engineer?

What do trains have to do with this?

 

[grayhair81]

You may want to re-watch the touchdown. He wasn’t beaten badly and it wasn’t underthrown. Fant didn’t beat his guy badly either. Both really good throws and catches.

And in neither instance was the defender in a position to make a play. They were chasing and unable to get to the ball.

 

[cheerscoach]

And in neither instance was the defender in a position to make a play. They were chasing and unable to get to the ball.

So the defender should be running in 'front' of the receiver? The only thing I see with Moss is that he seems reluctant so get physical and 'squeeze' the receiver.