Rose Bowl out of the picture?

[CP84]

I was listening to some terrible local radio station recapping the Iowa game. They said the Rose Bowl is likely not an option. Either Iowa wins or they get jumped by OSU because the Rose committee has said they will take the highest ranked available team and OSU would most likely jump Iowa in that scenario.

That would be depressing to play in the 3rd option if this plays out.

 

[JRHawk2003]

FIesta Bowl is what I heard.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

I don't know about likely, but it seems very reasonable. Our narrative has been the undefeated team that's not very good and hasn't beaten anyone. If we lose the reaction will be either "see I told you these guys stink" or worse "they had their chance and choked". how could they NOT take the great OSU over us?

There's also a scenario where OSU ends up in the playoff.... Too much to worry/think about for me. Kind of looking at Saturday as an elimination game.

 

[IACub]

For the first time in my life I have higher hopes than the Rose Bowl.

 

[CP84]

OSU could end up in the playoffs with a Clemson or Alabama loss.

UNC has been tough lately. A win over Clemson is very possible.

 

[broth87]

Isn't it weird that the Rose Bowl would almost feel like a letdown this year? That's crazy to me but it's the truth.

 

[SotaHawk87]

I can't wrap my head around this OSU to playoff if Alabama or Clemson lose logic.. Iowa will have one more win and better resume..

 

[pkaul666]

I was listening to some terrible local radio station recapping the Iowa game. They said the Rose Bowl is likely not an option. Either Iowa wins or they get jumped by OSU because the Rose committee has said they will take the highest ranked available team and OSU would most likely jump Iowa in that scenario.

That would be depressing to play in the 3rd option if this plays out.

Playoffs or bust. losing not an
Option this team cares to consider. On Iowa.

 

[ANYCHawk]

Hey look, it's this thread for the 237718382nd time.

 

[sloehawk]

I can't wrap my head around this OSU to playoff if Alabama or Clemson lose logic.. Iowa will have one more win and better resume..

There is no way in hell Iowa should be 4th right now. So the committee putting fOSU in there ahead of us with 1 loss a piece would be BAU.

A team that got pummeled by Texas on a neutral field is ahead of us. Let that one sink in for awhile................................... Ohio State is absolutely still in the mix to make The Playoff.

This Playoff thing isn't any "fairer" than it's ever been. The Blue Bloods will always get the nod over teams like Iowa, you can take that to the bank. And the committee can spin it any they want to, ain't nobody gonna be able to change whatever they decide.

Right now they can't keep us out, if they could, I assure you they would.

 

[taco2212]

Iowa's only realistic chance for the Rose is if the Tide or Clemson loses, and Sparty beats the Hawks, then it is MSU, OSU, Okie and Ala or Clemson in the playoffs and hopefully Iowa will get selected for Pasadena. If the Hawks lose Saturday, the odds are pretty high that the Buckeyes jump the Hawks in the final poll.

 

[Floyd_Of_Rosedale]

IOWA will win on Saturday.....two more trophies to bring home.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

I can't wrap my head around this OSU to playoff if Alabama or Clemson lose logic.. Iowa will have one more win and better resume..

No, I think the idea is that if Iowa wins the B1G, they AND tOSU could get in with a Bama/Clemson meltdown, having not played the Hawkeyes. But that would mean the committee admitting that the B1G is the best conference in America, which they can't bring themselves to do.

 

[THEMONSTER]

The Rose does not HAVE to take the highest ranked team. It's in writing they can consider:
-Championships (BT west vs. nothing for Tosu)
-length of time since last appearance. We have this one going for us.
If we are ranked 7th and Tosu 5th I would like to think the rose could see the subjective nature of the rankings and also that we would be pumped to be there and Tosu would be falling short of expectations. Not to mention we are 12-1 and they are 11-1. It would be an easy decision to defend by taking us.

Why is everyone forgetting this?

 

[SotaHawk87]

The Rose does not HAVE to take the highest ranked team. It's in writing they can consider:
-Championships (BT west vs. nothing for Tosu)
-length of time since last appearance. We have this one going for us.
If we are ranked 7th and Tosu 5th I would like to think the rose could see the subjective nature of the rankings and also that we would be pumped to be there and Tosu would be falling short of expectations. Not to mention we are 12-1 and they are 11-1. It would be an easy decision to defend by taking us.

Why is everyone forgetting this?

Because the Rose bowl reps came out and said they are taking higher ranked team this year. Period. I believe that was almost a direct quote

 

[markfromj]

Because the Rose bowl reps came out and said they are taking higher ranked team this year. Period. I believe that was almost a direct quote

No, he didn't.

 

[SotaHawk87]

No, he didn't.

"It's strong presumption is that it will take the next highest rated team, period"

 

[OC_Hawk]

No, he didn't.

Except for that one time when he pretty much did:

> “I really want to emphasize that the strong presumption is we’re going with the next-highest-ranked team. OK? Because I don’t want to mislead people,” Jenkins said. “And I really mean that. We’ve had a lot of discussions with (athletic directors) from both conferences. It’s really important. They’re putting a lot of weight in these rankings systems, and we will, too. It would truly have to be an extraordinary situation.”

The only “extraordinary situation" that Jenkins could think of that would apply for one team to jump another was if a team had already gone to the Rose Bowl for three consecutive years, as Wisconsin did from 2011-13. He said both conferences agreed three years in a row was too many, but two in a row wasn't.

“I’d have to have something else going to want to jump somebody. Imagine the political repercussions to us. You’re going to make someone unhappy, and I’m going to take a lot of the heat. So it’s a heck of a lot easier to justify it (with), ‘Folks, I’m looking at these rankings and I went with the next highest-ranked-team.’

“I understand, you want to say the special circumstances (are that) Iowa hasn’t been here in a long time. My response is, that’s not good enough.”

 

[Hawk_4shur]

It feels like KF is destined to never go to the Rose. It's pretty bizarre the combination of factors that is keeping the Hawks out of that bowl.

 

[SoMplsHawkI]

"It's strong presumption is that it will take the next highest rated team, period"

This is correct. IIRC from the article I read on Hawk Central the only way a lower ranked team would be picked is if the higher ranked team had been to three RB's in a row.
Sorry, can't find the link.

 

[hawkedoff]

Because the rose bowl has said they will take the highest ranked team

 

[thewop]

This is correct. IIRC from the article I read on Hawk Central the only way a lower ranked team would be picked is if the higher ranked team had been to three RB's in a row.
Sorry, can't find the link.

While correct, that's not in play here, so it's irrelevant.

Regarding the committee admitting the B1G is the best? Well, I think they kind of have already, with 4 in the top 10 last week.

If we lose close, I don't think it's a given OSU jumps us in the CFP rankings. We'll both have 1 loss to MSU. OSU's best win will be Michigan, who will likely be lower than Northwestern, our best win. OSU's loss was on their home field with MSU's backup QB. Right now our SOS is very similar to OSU (Sagarin), and may bump ahead of them by virtue of playing MSU. OSU will have the brand name/perception advantage, but comparing resume's, I don't think it's a given they'll jump us. Now, if we go into indy and get beat by double figures, then of course we'll get jumped.

OR WE COULD WIN!!! I'd be thrilled with the 4 seed and a matchup with Clemson. I have a feeling we'll jump to 3 or possibly (doubtful) even 2 with a win against MSU, which will be stronger than any Bama or OU win, and of course, we'd be undefeated.

 

[RMT_515]

This is literally from the selection process document.

ROSE BOWL GAME PRESENTED BY NORTHWESTERN MUTUAL (Pasadena, Calif.)
1. When not hosting a semifinal, the Big Ten Champion will play in the Rose Bowl Game, unless among the top four teams.
2. If the Big Ten Champion qualifies for the playoff, the Rose Bowl Game will choose a replacement Big Ten team.
3. The Rose Bowl Game has sole discretion on a replacement team, and will generally select the highest‐rated available team, but will take into consideration final College Football Playoff rankings, head‐to‐head competition, division champions and most recent Rose Bowl Game appearances.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...c_non_event/Bowl_Determination_Procedures.pdf

 

[markfromj]

"Pretty much", "strong presumption", "almost" are not equal to "...they are taking higher ranked team this year. Period."

 

[Uwe.Blab]

Isn't it weird that the Rose Bowl would almost feel like a letdown this year? That's crazy to me but it's the truth.

If we lose Saturday and end up matched up v Houston in the Peach Bowl it will feel like a huge letdown, which is why I was hoping to play an undefeated O$U this weekend.

But....whatever. It is out of our hands, truly. We have very little chance of the Rose if we do not win Saturday. No idea where the Fiesta thing is coming up, but let's hope that is our backup, and against a power 5 or ND.

 

[El Simbolo]

Yes, rose has discretion which includes the discretion to use the CFP rankings. But I also think Rose could behind the scenes work with the committee to make sure the team they want is ranked higher. There was definitely behind the scenes work done last year to get Miss St in the Orange Bowl

 

[Hawk_4shur]

"Pretty much", "strong presumption", "almost" are not equal to "...they are taking higher ranked team this year. Period."

 

[jayjm56]

Yes it is out as on option. it is not in the college football playoffs

 

[JRingo]

Another thought is... can you imagine the hype of a Ohio State vs. Notre Dame Fiesta Bowl? If politics can be played, this would be great TV. Then, the Rose gets Stanford or USC vs Iowa or Michigan State.

 

[HawkLogic]

If we lose Saturday and end up matched up v Houston in the Peach Bowl it will feel like a huge letdown, which is why I was hoping to play an undefeated O$U this weekend.

But....whatever. It is out of our hands, truly. We have very little chance of the Rose if we do not win Saturday. No idea where the Fiesta thing is coming up, but let's hope that is our backup, and against a power 5 or ND.

Yeah that is pretty bad scenario: Iowa vs Houston. I don't see two B1G teams making the playoffs---the conference championship takes care of picking the best B1G team. There are 5 BCS conferences for 4 spots. I doubt selection committee gives 2 spots to teams from same conference and screws over two conferences.

 

[Ray Kinsella]

You wonder what sort of politicking might go on should Iowa lose to MSU. Would some in the committee support Iowa over OSU because of its division title and losing on a neutral field rather than at home, thus forcing the Rose to choose Iowa?

 

[Scherrman]

Yeah that is pretty bad scenario: Iowa vs Houston. I don't see two B1G teams making the playoffs---the conference championship takes care of picking the best B1G team. There are 5 BCS conferences for 4 spots. I doubt selection committee gives 2 spots to teams from same conference and screws over two conferences.

I know an Iowa vs Houston game has very little appeal to the nation but that would be a very tough game. Houston is not a bad team and can put up a lot of points.

 

[MVPFAN]

I'd rather they skip a bowl than play Houston in the Peach bowl. Talk about a hard to get motivated no win situation game.

 

[OC_Hawk]

I'd rather they skip a bowl than play Houston in the Peach bowl. Talk about a hard to get motivated no win situation game.

 

[His Hawkness]

If we lose a close game, then it would be a total injustice to exclude Iowa from the Rose Bowl. We would have been a division champ, a top 10 team at least, with our best win being close to OSU's best win, an extra W on our resume, and similar loss.