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Rose Bowl reflections

Kinnick4Ever

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Now that we've all had a few weeks to simmer down, I'm curious if any fans have tried to objectively reflect on just what happened to cause such an embarrassing performance. Most of us would agree that Stanford was simply better across-the-board. Perhaps nothing more need be said. Would the same sentiment also apply to the previous three bowl blow-outs: Oklahoma, LSU, and Tennessee? Were those opponents so flat-out superior that the Hawkeyes never had a chance? Or is it fair to consider other factors?

Beyond the obvious reasons for disappointment--recruiting disadvantages being huge--to what extent has Iowa was victimized by lackluster game planning? Does "New" Captain Kirk really believe in anything new at all? Is it always good enough to play straight-up football, relying entirely on effort and execution, regardless of opponent strengths and weaknesses? No creative strategies needed. No special plays required to help turn the game. No chances taken because the risks outweigh the rewards? This really came to mind when listening to Coach Sabin talk about the onside kick Alabama executed in the championship game. This guy is a brilliant game day strategist, aided and abetted of course by a superior roster. Still, under the same circumstances, would the Good Captain have even conceived of such a play in a big game, let alone had the guts to call it (Sabin admitted it was a risky call in a tight game but he took that risk because he trusted in his kicker, etc.; he had also considered OPENING the game with that play, then decided to hold onto it for possible later use).

I'm not suggesting that an onside kick should have been used in the Rose Bowl or that successfully executing such a play would have changed the outcome. It's a bigger question than that, speaking to the core strength of ultra conservative coaching strategies. In that context, it's quite interesting how much anger has been extended to the Stanford band and so little angst has been extended to the preparation (or lack thereof) for this huge game (not to mention the other three previous bowl embarrassments). Perhaps that's as it should be. Perhaps it's unfair to ask these questions of a coaching staff and program that has probably delivered more bang for the buck than we have a right to expect. Perhaps I am simply thinking unrealistically about how Iowa might perform better on the big stage. Perhaps I should simply be grateful for the exciting regular season we just witnessed, and the potentially exciting one to come. Perhaps. Thoughts?
 
The whole New Kirk concept was overblown IMO. He tried a couple of fake field goals that didn't work, didn't take a knee at the end of the half or game a couple of times and tossed in a couple of surprise plays and suddenly we have New Kirk. If Iowa would have lost those games no one would have mentioned New Kirk.

As for the Rose Bowl, I don't believe for a second that X's and O's were a huge factor. When Stanford would run simply off tackle play and gain 11 yards after 6 missed tackles, I don't think strategy had much to do with it. Stanford was either better, or Iowa simply didn't have any gas in the tank left from the season. I don't think the stage was any bigger than the B1G Championship game, the winner of which was going to the playoff - perhaps not even as big.

KF 1.0. 2.0, 3.0 or 9.0 will all depend on execution, toughness, strong defense and opportunistic offense. An occasional trick play is not going to change that.
 
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I have no idea if it was a factor but the reshuffled line seemed odd. We had like 3 guys in spots they hadn't played before. Stanford's D-line was super active so don't know if it was their athleticism or a failure to gel on our part.
 
I have no idea if it was a factor but the reshuffled line seemed odd. We had like 3 guys in spots they hadn't played before. Stanford's D-line was super active so don't know if it was their athleticism or a failure to gel on our part.
As has been stated, tactics and strategy were not the SOLE reason for the performance. But Doodle, to this day, still doesn't understand not only the line shuffling, but the fact that we had a line that outweighed the opposing DL by an average of about 18 pounds, and we still insisted on running stretch draws and relying almost exclusively on zone blocking. When you have a DL that is small but active and very quick, if you run laterally before you try to run north/south...you have just unilaterally ceded the advantage.

Fire off the ball straight ahead at them and see if they can handle it for 60 minutes. Maul them. Don't finesse them. They win when you play finesse 10 times out of 10. Some semblance...ANY semblance of a running game ...on our part would have made the whole thing a lot different.

In Doodle's humble opinion anyway.
 
I do not concede that Stanford was flat out better than Iowa across the board. They PLAYED flat out better in all aspects. They lost to Northwestern and Oregon. Oregon was beat by MSU who we went toe-2-toe with and we all saw us dismantle NW. Were they better than us? Probably but not nearly as decisively as the score and game indicated.

KF really needs to examine his bowl prep and game planning. The kids looked out-of-sync and the game plan looked like we were playing Purdue, IL, etc. It contained nothing geared towards playing a west coast opponent with less size but far more speed. In terms of prep there's all this focus on getting the young kids reps of which 99% of those kids will not play in the game. The focus needs to be put back on winning the bowl game. Out prepping and studying the actual opponent.
 
The better team usually wins, but when a good team blows out another good team there is usually no identifiable cause. It just happens. A big play, a mistake here, a turnover there, the momentum swings, then everything one team does seems to go right while everything the other team does seems to go wrong.
 
I do not concede that Stanford was flat out better than Iowa across the board. They PLAYED flat out better in all aspects. They lost to Northwestern and Oregon. Oregon was beat by MSU who we went toe-2-toe with and we all saw us dismantle NW. Were they better than us? Probably but not nearly as decisively as the score and game indicated.

KF really needs to examine his bowl prep and game planning. The kids looked out-of-sync and the game plan looked like we were playing Purdue, IL, etc. It contained nothing geared towards playing a west coast opponent with less size but far more speed. In terms of prep there's all this focus on getting the young kids reps of which 99% of those kids will not play in the game. The focus needs to be put back on winning the bowl game. Out prepping and studying the actual opponent.
Excellent post And1Hawk. I agree
 
I do not concede that Stanford was flat out better than Iowa across the board. They PLAYED flat out better in all aspects. They lost to Northwestern and Oregon. Oregon was beat by MSU who we went toe-2-toe with and we all saw us dismantle NW. Were they better than us? Probably but not nearly as decisively as the score and game indicated.

KF really needs to examine his bowl prep and game planning. The kids looked out-of-sync and the game plan looked like we were playing Purdue, IL, etc. It contained nothing geared towards playing a west coast opponent with less size but far more speed. In terms of prep there's all this focus on getting the young kids reps of which 99% of those kids will not play in the game. The focus needs to be put back on winning the bowl game. Out prepping and studying the actual opponent.

good post...I'd reiterate the emphasis on game planning, for which it least in this game, it appeared there was none. Old Kirk definitely reverted more and more to his ways when the going got tough in the last part of the season.
 
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I thought the "New Kirk" thing was a farce. We won 12 games by going "Old Kirk", mainly by dominating the turnovers. Nebraska and Wisconsin for example coughed it up 4 times apiece and in each game one of our own turnovers was wiped out by a hands to the face penalty. That will eliminate a lot of deficiencies in personnel and as long as we're not recruiting like Stanford I am more than cool with more of the old Kirk because conservative play calling, execution and turnovers can still lead to big seasons. 2015 should have proved that to everyone.
 
I never realized the lsu and okie bowl games where blow outs.. Vs okie with 4 minutes left the score was 21-14.. And lsu the final score was 21-14 those arnt blow outs,. Tennessee and Stanford are blowouts.
 
The time off probably hurt us, more than it helped us.
Yes, I thought Stanford should've been favored, but once I saw MSU get torched by Bama, I was like, "uh-oh."
I had the same reaction about Wisky beat the U in 2009, and felt confidence about the Orange Bowl against GT.

We were never competitive in that game and just tried to enjoy the atmosphere, the sunset, etc. while I was there.
I stayed until the end. The Iowa fans applauded when the team exited to the locker room.

Outside of the game, I'm so glad the family went out there for all of the festivities.
 
I never realized the lsu and okie bowl games where blow outs.. Vs okie with 4 minutes left the score was 21-14.. And lsu the final score was 21-14 those arnt blow outs,. Tennessee and Stanford are blowouts.

Face it. Stanford and Tennessee ran through us around us and by us. It wasn't close and until we recruit speed it will stay that way. We can wallow through the B1G West but are lost when we try to match up with quality opponents otherwise.
 
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It was just one of those games, it happens sometimes. It was simply Murphy's Law at its finest...they played phenomenal and we played very poorly....I am not looking to much more into it. I think the biggest factor was the fact that the MSU game took an emotional and physical toll on our football team. Our OL was banged up which is why the OL reshuffle BTW....
 
Face it. Stanford and Tennessee ran through us around us and by us. It wasn't close and until we recruit speed it will stay that way. We can wallow through the B1G West but are lost when we try to match up with quality opponents otherwise.
I said Tennessee and Stanford where blow outs.. Go read what I wrote again
 
I think it has a lot to do with our play calling and style. I genuinely believe we need to throw out the playbook we have and make an entirely new one built on speed. So, pretty much what the majority of other college football teams are doing. I've not been a fan of Greg Davis since his arrival, so I think he needs to go as well so we can grab someone from the West.

While Kirk did make a number of changes for the better, like being risky, I still think he needs to change even more. One of the best things he does for the team is instill sportsmanship, respect, and hard work into every player. But he really needs to get more aggressive. More trick plays, run up the score as much as possible, and so on. Being conservative is literally the worst thing you can do in football.

Finally, I understand that we lack in recruiting. Hopefully with this team, they'll be able to draw in great recruits across the country for the next few years so Kirk can really make a winning dynasty. I believe it's already started with us getting AJ Esponesa(or whatever his name is). Unfortunately, we'll always have a disadvantage because of our location. We aren't in southern California, we aren't in Florida, Texas, or just a warm state in general. Our population is low too which means less of everything. Luckily, Kirk and Co. have a knack of creating just as many NFL prospects as esteemed schools like Ohio State and Michigan. Hopefully that could be another draw for players.

The defense needs a crash course on the running QB. If we can get that down pat, our D would be practically ready for anything. As you see what that Stanford ****er did to us, its something we are terribly weak against. With a huge year under their belts, I believe our D Line will be a force to be reckoned with. If we luck out with getting Drew Ott back, the Big Ten better watch out.
 
I think we are a very scoutable team. I think the coaching staff needs to work more on self scouting, being less predictable all the #$%& time. Stanford had almost a month to pick apart our tendencies and cues.
 
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I think it has a lot to do with our play calling and style. I genuinely believe we need to throw out the playbook we have and make an entirely new one built on speed. So, pretty much what the majority of other college football teams are doing. I've not been a fan of Greg Davis since his arrival, so I think he needs to go as well so we can grab someone from the West.

While Kirk did make a number of changes for the better, like being risky, I still think he needs to change even more. One of the best things he does for the team is instill sportsmanship, respect, and hard work into every player. But he really needs to get more aggressive. More trick plays, run up the score as much as possible, and so on. Being conservative is literally the worst thing you can do in football.

Finally, I understand that we lack in recruiting. Hopefully with this team, they'll be able to draw in great recruits across the country for the next few years so Kirk can really make a winning dynasty. I believe it's already started with us getting AJ Esponesa(or whatever his name is). Unfortunately, we'll always have a disadvantage because of our location. We aren't in southern California, we aren't in Florida, Texas, or just a warm state in general. Our population is low too which means less of everything. Luckily, Kirk and Co. have a knack of creating just as many NFL prospects as esteemed schools like Ohio State and Michigan. Hopefully that could be another draw for players.

The defense needs a crash course on the running QB. If we can get that down pat, our D would be practically ready for anything. As you see what that Stanford ****er did to us, its something we are terribly weak against. With a huge year under their belts, I believe our D Line will be a force to be reckoned with. If we luck out with getting Drew Ott back, the Big Ten better watch out.
Why would we instill a new playbook right now built on speed? We don't have receivers that get open, just backs on screens and tight ends off play action. This makes it hard to recruit speed, it's a catch 22. As I said before I like the playbook got what we have in personnel: limit mistakes and take advantage of turnovers.
 
I think the MSU game took it all out of the players. The Rose Bowl, sad as it sounds, was a consolation. The Hawks were one play away from the playoffs, and believe they just shot their wad on MSU. After that, there wasn't much incentive. Was Stanford better? Yes, but not that much.
 
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I think the MSU game took it all out of the players. The Rose Bowl, sad as it sounds, was a consolation. The Hawks were one play away from the playoffs, and believe they just shot their wad on MSU. After that, there wasn't much incentive. Was Stanford better? Yes, but not that much.

The Rose Bowl should never be a consolation. That is Iowa's best chance at doing something. I don't think it is very reasonable to think Iowa could ever win a National Title, but they could win the B1G Conference and Rose Bowl. That should be the top of our expectations. If you think the Rose Bowl is a consolation, then why even be an Iowa fan.
 
My Rose Bowl takeaway is that on that day Stanford was the better team. Stanford overall is not going to do that to Iowa if the two played 10 games. This is the same Stanford team that took a dump against a so-so Northwestern team. Sometimes you just can't explain it ...

In the Rose Bowl ... Stanford got the early momentum and just poured it on .. while Iowa wasn't mentally prepared ... Stanford is by no means at a different level than Iowa. On that day, it was.
 
The Rose Bowl should never be a consolation. That is Iowa's best chance at doing something. I don't think it is very reasonable to think Iowa could ever win a National Title, but they could win the B1G Conference and Rose Bowl. That should be the top of our expectations. If you think the Rose Bowl is a consolation, then why even be an Iowa fan.

No, I loved having them there. Maybe it didn't sound right. To the players it was possibly a consolation.
 
good post...I'd reiterate the emphasis on game planning, for which it least in this game, it appeared there was none. Old Kirk definitely reverted more and more to his ways when the going got tough in the last part of the season.
It was very obvious he reverted.....same stupid bs from previous years.
 
Rose Bowl Reflections: It was a really nice day...but got cold when the sun went down. That's all I remember.

thats a fair assessment. over all, i had a blast. i got to be around some of my very best friends (and my wife) in an environment we'll never forget. we kind of all (maybe not my wife, so much) had this look on our face like, "can you believe we actually got to do this?!!"

i'm in my early 40's and had been waiting for this, well, for a long time. and i seriously was waiting for this one (no bowl games would have budged me till this).

the game was damper on the day, but that's about it. i decided i had ventured to LA to have a good time (win or lose), and i didn't fail. met some great hawkeye fans, met some nice stanford fans, took a lot of pictures, and walked away with some great memories.

when we flew out of LA, i felt like i had 'done it' - basically, didn't need to go to another rose bowl or any other bowl game, for that matter. but after about 2 weeks, i had a ragbrai effect. for those of you that know - ragrbai is nothing but fun. but it will beat you down. you don't want it to end, but when you're done, you just want your own bed and never see these cycling bozos again. then, by about september, you start to think about how much fun it was. what next year might be like, and how you just can't miss out.

as i reflect back on the rose bowl, i feel the same. had some much fun, felt some pain in the middle. great memories - and i'd do it all again tomorrow (and hope to again on 1/1/17).
 
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I do not concede that Stanford was flat out better than Iowa across the board. They PLAYED flat out better in all aspects. They lost to Northwestern and Oregon. Oregon was beat by MSU who we went toe-2-toe with and we all saw us dismantle NW. Were they better than us? Probably but not nearly as decisively as the score and game indicated.

KF really needs to examine his bowl prep and game planning. The kids looked out-of-sync and the game plan looked like we were playing Purdue, IL, etc. It contained nothing geared towards playing a west coast opponent with less size but far more speed. In terms of prep there's all this focus on getting the young kids reps of which 99% of those kids will not play in the game. The focus needs to be put back on winning the bowl game. Out prepping and studying the actual opponent.
Not counting Tennessee, I see a comparison to the Orange Bowl of 2003 after the 2002 season.. I think after that game,KF did change bowl preparations. I think we read about it. The Rose Bowl has so much extraneous things connected with it, Well, fun things, I guess. Stanford had been there.
 
Hawks are just overmatched by Pac teams in the Rose Bowl ( or 2003 Orange Bowl vs USC ). All the blowouts , not one even remotely close games, not one , proves this. Hawks were not fast enough or in this case vs Stanford tough enough. McCaffery just ran over and around the slower weaker Hawk defenders. And if he didn't do this , they could have passed to wide open receivers all day long. Meanwhile Stanford's O and D lines just physically dominated up front. Just ran them over.
Hawks in a Rose Bowl is just a debacle. No other way to spin it. Just not a big time big game program. History has proven this. Cowturd was right all along but he had the facts right in front of him.
 
The better team usually wins, but when a good team blows out another good team there is usually no identifiable cause. It just happens. A big play, a mistake here, a turnover there, the momentum swings, then everything one team does seems to go right while everything the other team does seems to go wrong.
Agree Klemman..But I wonder if the staff just over worked the kids during bowl prep...they looked like they came out to play at 4 AM or something. Stanford came out loose and relaxed
 
It was a combination of factors, and they call came together to form this blow-out:

1. The MSU game took it out of Iowa physically and mentally. They were SPENT after that one, and never quite recovered.

2. They never got over the idea that they should have been in the Playoff. When you're 40, the Rose Bowl is a huge deal because you remember the Good Ol Days of the Rose Bowl. When you're 20, and all you've known is the BCS system--not so much. That's not how it should be, maybe, but to this younger generation that's how it is.

3. We did nothing creative on offense, whereas Stanford did all kinds of new-wrinkle things. The only game where I felt we were creative and did a lot of misdirection was NW, and all we did in that one is have our best overall win of the season. Very disappointing game planning.

4. We were not a team that could come back from a deficit well, noting that we were hardly behind all season. Once we got down by more than one score, the team kind of imploded.

5. I don't buy the speed thing as much as the scheme thing. We were outplayed on the LINES, on both sides of the ball, all game. We had no answer for their pass rush or their o-line.

6. They had a game-breaker kind of guy, and we didn't. That's just bad luck, or bad recruiting, but sometimes when a guy has a game like McCaffrey had, you're going to take it on the chin.

In sum, I blame talent for only about a third, but coaching and overall hungover-ness for the other two-thirds. Add in a couple of missed calls early on (like on the punt return), the pick-six, and you have a blowout nightmare.

Also, if the Pac12 is so great, why did Wisky beat USC and NU beat UCLA and MSU beat Oregon?
 
If it takes more than 3 weeks to get over a loss , you are in the wrong business.

Pac vs Hawks in Rose Bowl ( nothing to do with Whisky or Neb )
Washington 20 Hawks 0
UCLA 48 Hawks 20
Washington 50 Hawks 28 ( game over at half, save face scoring at end )
Stanford 45 Hawks 14 ( game over at end of 1st quarter )
Rose Bowl east:
USC 38 Hawks 10 ( game over after 3 quarters )

Not good , not good at all
 
If it takes more than 3 weeks to get over a loss , you are in the wrong business.

Pac vs Hawks in Rose Bowl ( nothing to do with Whisky or Neb )
Washington 20 Hawks 0
UCLA 48 Hawks 20
Washington 50 Hawks 28 ( game over at half, save face scoring at end )
Stanford 45 Hawks 14 ( game over at end of 1st quarter )
Rose Bowl east:
USC 38 Hawks 10 ( game over after 3 quarters )

Not good , not good at all
You just make up scores, don't you?
 
I never realized the lsu and okie bowl games where blow outs.. Vs okie with 4 minutes left the score was 21-14.. And lsu the final score was 21-14 those arnt blow outs,. Tennessee and Stanford are blowouts.
Sometimes scores are misleading. Oklahoma and LSU were BY FAR the better team. But sometimes teams let teams hang around. But it doesn't take a football genius to know who the better teams
 
College football is unpredictable. Not every win or loss can be boiled down to specific reasons. Sports fans are terrible at accepting that not everything can be explained.

In my opinion, Iowa fans saw two games this year that were extreme outliers: (1) Iowa @ Northwestern, and (2) Iowa vs. Stanford.

Northwestern was a good team this year, and our game was a good matchup. At least 50% of fans were picking Northwestern to win, especially with how banged up Iowa was. The fact that we won by 30 does not mean Iowa was far superior this year. It does not mean that Ferentz is a much better coach than Fitzgerald, or that Fitzgerald's gameplan, preparation, or strategy are fundamentally flawed. It does not mean that Iowa has significantly outperformed Northwestern in recruiting in the past 4-5 years, or that athletes from Iowa are better than athletes from Illinois. It does not mean Northwestern was exposed - they went on to win at Nebraska the next week en route to a 5 game winning streak to end the season.

What beating Northwestern by 30 does represent is that we kicked their ass that day and were the much better team that day. Northwestern played terrible, and we played great. It was a lot of fun to watch as an Iowa fan, and I'm sure it was miserable to watch as a Northwestern fan. However, if we had to play Northwestern again, I still think there would be a good chance that Northwestern would win.

The same conclusions apply for the Stanford game. They kicked our ass. We played terrible, they played great. It was miserable to watch. But the single game result does not mean that we would have no chance to win if we played again.
 
Excuses, excuses, excuses. We've been needing to come up with lots of them for several years running ... even this year, despite a magical 12-0 regular season. Fact is, this program continues to perform in embarrassing fashion in bowl games against good teams outside the conference. Yet the chief mechanic continues to stubbornly embrace his very narrow way of doing things, as if it were the one and only way. Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't.
 
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