RSV, covid and flu are keeping kids out of school — and parents out of work

JupiterHawk

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Im not a doctor, but sounds like RSV. My child and wife had it a few weeks back and it seems to reappear in waves that aren’t as severe as the initial wave, which lasted about 5-6 days.

When our child began to improve, the doc said “you aren’t out of the woods yet, this stuff has a tendency to cycle back”.
Do you have your child on a nebulizer?
 

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There is nothing he has posted that is wrong in this thread.

@Pinehawk posted a series of articles that would demonstrate otherwise.

You've always shown to be a person that uses logic and reason. 😂

Sorry, if I don't share your and Pine's opinion on the matter. Pine already admitted that the lockdowns delayed (and it prevented) the spread. My opinion is, they saved lives too. I'm sure I can go find some articles that back up my opinion.
 
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When will this country wake up to the fact that essential oils, CBD oil, and regular visits to the chiropractor are all you need.
 
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This fall has been a blur of runny noses, body aches and lost paychecks for Jacob Terry.​

His 18-month-old daughter came home from day care with Respiratory Syncytial Virus a few weeks ago. Now he’s got it, too, while trying to juggle child care responsibilities with his job as a marketing freelancer.
“My daughter’s at home, she’s sick, I’m sick,” said Terry, 39, who lives near Los Angeles. “If I don’t work, I don’t eat. I’m medicating myself and staying up all night to catch up. It’s one big mess.”
A new round of viral infections — flu, RSV, covid-19 and the common cold — is colliding with staffing shortages at schools and day cares to create unprecedented challenges for parents and teachers. More than 100,000 Americans missed work last month because of child-care problems, an all-time high that’s even greater than during the height of the pandemic, according to new data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Those absences are rippling across the economy and straining families and businesses, just as many thought they’d turned a corner.
“We have sick kids at the same time we have a child-care crisis — you put the two together and there just isn’t any wiggle room,” said Diane Swonk, chief economist at KPMG. “People are falling through the cracks. It means missed paychecks, disruptions at home, and staffing shortages that erode productivity growth and increase costs at a time when we’re already worried about those things.”
Nearly three years into the coronavirus pandemic, families, businesses and health-care facilities say they’re under renewed pressure. Children’s hospitals nationwide are at capacity, in large part because of RSV and other respiratory viruses. Workplaces are reporting unfilled shifts and lost revenue as employees call out for extended periods of time. And parents are, once again, caught in an impossible position, balancing sick children, school closures and workplace demands.
There are signs that those pressures are taking a toll on the economy. Worker productivity — a measure of goods and services an employee can produce in an hour — posted the sharpest plunge on record in the first half of this year, according to federal data.
“When you have so many workers out unexpectedly, it’s a quiet drag on productivity,” said Sarah House, senior economist at Wells Fargo. “Child care has always been an impediment for working parents, but the problems with inconsistent child care that we’ve seen more recently — your child is sick or has to quarantine, or day care is closed — is making it really difficult for working parents to weave back into the labor force.”
The country’s child-care system is still reeling from the departure of thousands of educators and staffers who left during the pandemic for higher-paying work. Although the overall job market has more than made up for early 2020 losses, the child-care sector remains a major exception. Public schools are still short nearly 300,000 workers, while day cares are down 88,000 employees from pre-pandemic levels.
“We still haven’t dealt with some of the major problems from early in the pandemic, especially when it comes to child care,” said Elizabeth Palley, a professor at Adelphi University who focuses on education, health and child-care policy. “The median child-care worker is paid less than $12 an hour, which means you can make more working at McDonald’s. A lot of people have left the industry and new ones are not coming in.”
That shortfall is putting increased burden on the educators who remain. In interviews, many teachers said they felt they had little choice but to keep working while sick. Dozens of schools — including in Kentucky, Ohio and Tennessee — have gone so far as to cancel classes in recent days because so many students and teachers are sick.
Kathryn Vaughn, an art teacher in Covington, Tenn., works at a rural elementary school that’s so understaffed that she’s kept teaching — with a mask — even with RSV and walking pneumonia. Roughly 15 percent of the school’s teachers are out sick on any given day, with RSV, covid or flu, she said. Substitute teachers — who are paid $65 a day — are increasingly tough to find. That means more classes are being combined and support staff, including secretaries, are filling in for teachers. Five nearby school districts, she said, have recently closed for days at a time because of illness and staffing shortages.
“It feels like we’ve made absolutely no progress,” Vaughn, 42, said. “We don’t have enough teachers. Access to health care is still an issue — a lot of students here don’t have pediatricians they see regularly. Hospitals all over the state are shutting down.”
Infectious-disease specialists say a confluence of factors, including weakened immune systems from covid-19, could be contributing to the recent spike in viral illnesses. It’s also possible that “pandemic babies” who were protected from respiratory pathogens because of social distancing and other preventive measures are now getting sick. And although many schools encouraged, even required, masks last fall, that is no longer the case, making it easier for a variety of viruses to spread.
In Lincoln, Neb., Lindsey Dick had just started a new job as a case manager for a workforce services company in mid-October when her 3-year-old son came down with RSV. Dick, 37,didn’t have paid time off yet, so she took unpaid leave for a day. Her husband watched their son the rest of the week while working his tech-support job from home.
“It was just quite a lot for all of us,” she said. “I could only miss one day and even that felt stressful.”
Low-income families — especially those less likely to receive paid sick leave and employer-provided health insurance — have been hit disproportionately hard. While 96 percent of the country’s highest paid workers received paid sick leave last year, only 40 percent of the lowest earners did, according to federal data.
In Sevier County, Tenn., neither Drew Moore nor his wife, Raven, receive paid leave. Their children, ages 2 and 4, have been sick for weeks, which means they’ve both had to cut back at work, cutting into their annual household income of about $30,000. Moore said he’s lost out on thousands of dollars’ worth of landscaping projects this fall, while his wife has had to forego lucrative weekend shifts at the steakhouse where she works.
The timing is especially bad: Business tends to be busiest in the fall, when tourists flood nearby Great Smoky Mountains National Park, Moore said. He recently had to pass up a two-day job cleaning a koi fish pond, which would’ve brought in about $1,000, his biggest job in months.
“Fall is the time to make money around here; it’s what gets us through the rest of the year,” said Moore, 36. “But of course it’s also right when the kids’ sickness kicks off. I’m really scared it’s going to screw us up financially.”
Back in Los Angeles, Terry, the freelancer who’s been caring for his daughter, estimates he’s lost at least two weeks’ worth of work because of RSV-related child-care disruptions. He and his wife, who works two jobs as an aesthetician, have been eating into their savings to make ends meet.
“It’s been difficult for all of us,” he said. “We thought things were finally going back to normal, but it’s just one snowball after another.”
Yep
 

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I had that for about 3 weeks. I’m terrible about “resting a cold” and choose the “sweat a cold” option. Working out outside and breathing in cold air…I’d just cough up a lung after. Eventually it just (mostly) cleared, almost overnight. I’ve still got an occasional cough, but it’s not bad. Not sure what it was.

I had not been sick in years, but last March I got COVID a d it sucked for two days. But a couple weeks ago my wife got as sick as I’ve ever seen her, then I was a few days behind her, and it just keeps lingering.

Last week I tested positive for RSV, so I assume wife has the same thing. It’s not the sickest I’ve ever been, but it’s the longest.
 

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It only delayed people from getting sick at best. And, it came at a cost, which was worse than if we hadn't responded that way.

This time, we just got really lucky....we were on the side of caution. I guess you think every pandemic will be like this one
 

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ld It only delayed people from getting sick at best. And, it came at a cost, which was worse than if we hadn't responded that way.
That delay saved lives. I recently had covid for the first time and I’m happy I got the current version rather than the earlier ones. There’s always a cost no matter what the decision is. Without the isolation, the cost would have been more deaths.
 

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Unfortunately part of being a human being is we carry and transmit stuff. Been the same deal since, well, forever.
 

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That delay saved lives. I recently had covid for the first time and I’m happy I got the current version rather than the earlier ones. There’s always a cost no matter what the decision is. Without the isolation, the cost would have been more deaths.

What about deaths from other causes resulting from the "isolation"?
Restrictions on elective procedures, scheduled screenings, etc.. certainly had an effect on preventable deaths.
What about mental health effects of extended isolation, job losses, and the resulting increase in suicide rates, especially in young people?
Drug and alcohol use increases and related deaths as a result of isolation?
 

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What about deaths from other causes resulting from the "isolation"?
Restrictions on elective procedures, scheduled screenings, etc.. certainly had an effect on preventable deaths.
What about mental health effects of extended isolation, job losses, and the resulting increase in suicide rates, especially in young people?
Drug and alcohol use increases and related deaths as a result of isolation?

As I said, there’s always a cost. That’s what happens when there’s something bad happening. I know some of you wanted everyone to go back to normal but you can’t make people go back if they’re concerned. How would that be good for mental health? Everyone is so black and white, where there’s only one answer. It’s not that simple. You can complain all you want but in the end everyone was going to be impacted. The hospitals were overrun and that says everything about how dangerous it was.
 

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That delay saved lives. I recently had covid for the first time and I’m happy I got the current version rather than the earlier ones. There’s always a cost no matter what the decision is. Without the isolation, the cost would have been more deaths.
Studies say 0.2% more. Sorry, but that wasn’t worth the price we paid, and are currently still paying.
 

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Studies say 0.2% more. Sorry, but that wasn’t worth the price we paid, and are currently still paying.
No one wanted to die, sorry if you’re still upset about that. At the time the hospitals were being overrun and there didn’t seem to be an end. People did what was necessary and I don’t have a problem with it.
 

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Exactly.
People seem surprised that keeping kids in a bubble for two years, resulted in the inability of their immune systems to fight off illness they otherwise would have.
Except here in Texas where almost every kid I know has been in school since Fall 2020 (most were in summer programs in 2020 as well)…and many are dealing with getting sick the past few weeks. I guess we had to wait two years to see the repercussions of being out of school for 4 months? Makes sense.
 

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As I said, there’s always a cost. That’s what happens when there’s something bad happening. I know some of you wanted everyone to go back to normal but you can’t make people go back if they’re concerned. How would that be good for mental health? Everyone is so black and white, where there’s only one answer. It’s not that simple. You can complain all you want but in the end everyone was going to be impacted. The hospitals were overrun and that says everything about how dangerous it was.
But you CAN make them lock up their business...and stay home...and mask up...and get jabbed - if they’re NOT the least bit concerned?

Seems inequitable. :rolleyes:
 

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But you CAN make them lock up their business...and stay home...and mask up...and get jabbed - if they’re NOT the least bit concerned?

Seems inequitable. :rolleyes:

With any bad situation it’s not always going to be equal. Trump and governors did the lock downs because they felt it was the right thing to do.
 

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I heard RSV came from a Mexican Cartel lab….if we would have let Trump build the wall it would have stopped the Mexico virus AND they would have paid for it!!!
 

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Headline should read:

"People's immune systems are weak after wearing masks and social distancing the past two years."

And how exactly are they "weak"?

Exactly.
People seem surprised that keeping kids in a bubble for two years, resulted in the inability of their immune systems to fight off illness they otherwise would have.

And how would kids have gotten the ability to fight off illness?

"Children build natural immunity to viruses when they’re exposed to them. Most kids catch RSV at some point before they turn 2, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says. Newborns get some passive protection from their mothers, who pass along antibodies through breast milk.

But for a couple of years, there was little opportunity for children born during the pandemic or the people around them to catch RSV – or other viruses, for that matter. Their immunity waned or never formed at all. So when those little ones and their parents started to interact with others, they were more likely to get sick.

“Decreased exposure to endemic viruses created an immunity gap – a group of susceptible individuals who avoided infection and therefore lack pathogen-specific immunity to protect against future infection,” Messacar and Baker wrote this summer in a commentary published in the medical journal The Lancet."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/26/health/rsv-immunity-gap

You know kids not getting rsv till after 2 is a good thing right?
 
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You know kids not getting rsv till after 2 is a good thing right?

CDC:
”You know, in the previous years, atypical presentations of atypical seasons, due to mitigation against COVID. left a large swath of the United States population uninfected. So we’re seeing more RSV because in the last past two years, we’ve not seen infections in children as we have previously. And so these children, if you will, need to become infected to move forward because it’s a disease very common in children.”

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/...cause it’s a disease very common in children.
 

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CDC:
”You know, in the previous years, atypical presentations of atypical seasons, due to mitigation against COVID. left a large swath of the United States population uninfected. So we’re seeing more RSV because in the last past two years, we’ve not seen infections in children as we have previously. And so these children, if you will, need to become infected to move forward because it’s a disease very common in children.”

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/t1104-update-respiratory-disease-circulation.html#:~:text=And so these children, if you will, need to become infected to move forward because it’s a disease very common in children.
So what’s your point? So what that more than usual kids are getting sick, iIt’s just evening out from previous years. That’s not a bad thing about isolating because of covid, it’s just the outcome,
 

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CDC:
”You know, in the previous years, atypical presentations of atypical seasons, due to mitigation against COVID. left a large swath of the United States population uninfected. So we’re seeing more RSV because in the last past two years, we’ve not seen infections in children as we have previously. And so these children, if you will, need to become infected to move forward because it’s a disease very common in children.”

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/t1104-update-respiratory-disease-circulation.html#:~:text=And so these children, if you will, need to become infected to move forward because it’s a disease very common in children.

Again what child has a better chance of survival a new born with insufficient ability to cough or a 2 yo??
 

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Exactly.
People seem surprised that keeping kids in a bubble for two years, resulted in the inability of their immune systems to fight off illness they otherwise would have.

It’s everyone, not just kids. Seems like an obvious outcome to me. I’m not sure why people would be surprised.


You know this virus went basically through our entire population and we don't know many things about it... but there are many reasons viral infections are up including your "bubble theory"
 

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"Researchers at Johns Hopkins University have concluded that lockdowns have done little to reduce COVID deaths but have had “devastating effects” on economies and numerous social ills.

The study, titled “A Literature Review and Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Lockdowns on COVID-19 Mortality,” said lockdowns in Europe and the U.S. reduced COVID-19 deaths by 0.2 percent.

The study concluded that lockdowns “are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.”

“They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy,” the report said."




Stupid ****s, lmao - Monday morning quarterbacking is for idiots.
 
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