"The world is a safer place when America is the strongest country on Earth."
Wow.
Would love to hear "the world's" thoughts on that one.
Wow.
Would love to hear "the world's" thoughts on that one.
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I was talking with a buddy the other day, and he goes "president obama is going to go down as the worst president in history" I calmly asked "why?" (i dont love obama, I just think thats a hilarious assertion). He said "hes weak, we need someone tougher". I then just kept asking what he meant by "being weak" and " being tougher". He couldnt come up with a damn thing to say. Its that same republican rhetoric and jargon that means absolutely nothing.
It is true, but regardless, I really don't care about the world's thoughts on it. I do care to be the strongest country on earth.
Until he's running for World President I don't care what they think. I wouldn't want someone winning who thought otherwise.
Not sure what you find disturbing, but I agree with you - it's easy to like a candidate after hearing that.
Question #1: Which country would you say is the strongest on the planet right now?
Question #2: On a scale of 1-10, how safe would you rate the world in its current condition?
This should be fun.
Easy to grow some disdain for a candidate using some fear and a dash of jingo to stir up votes.
Come on now. I agree it's funny your buddy couldn't back it up, but there's no question Obama is weak. Examples: The Bengazi failure (to protect our people and to find the murders), refusing to help the Ukraine (and letting Russia stroll right in), the refusal to stand with France after the recent attacks there, the line in the sand in Syria, the failure to stand with Israel (time and again), the refusal to lead the world against ISIS, the clear policy of "leading from behind", etc. It goes on and on.
Do you believe the world is safer if the United States is not the strongest country on Earth? Would the world be safer if Russia were the strongest country? China? North Korea? Iran? Cuba (you gotta love them)?
You're worse than a politician.
Tell me which country is the strongest on Earth, and then compare that to the security situation that we see currently in the world.
Maybe try and actually answer the question(s) this time.
You answer the question. You were the one alluding that the world is not safer when the United States is the strongest country on Earth. My position is simply that it is.
Who's "the world"? The 5 billion collective that inhabits the Earth? I am sure many within this collective could so opine, but I believe they would be incorrect.
So you would offer that the world is (or is arguably) safer if the United States is not the strongest country?
Ok. Fair enough. But how would you have handled the situations, without being weak. I think we can all agree that America has to ve careful when engaging in really, really testy foreign affairs. The last time we jumped the gun, the results werent favorable. If we blindly go into a situation "tough", we could end up making a mistake, like the Iraq war (invasion). Like i said, i dont love obama, but I dont hate him. Shits sooooo much more complicated than saying "be tough". I dont think people fully grasp what that means.
I would argue that the world has gone to shit in the last 30 years or so, which is precisely the timeframe when the US became the unquestioned "strongest country on Earth."
You could also ask all the people in the world that have been adversely affected by the sole world superpower (us) exercising our "authority" during that period exactly how the feel about the issue.
I bet if you took a worldwide poll, with everyone eligible, that basically nobody outside of the this country and probably Israel would agree with the topic statement, which represents the worst kind of hubris and arrogance that has come to define this country.
This is a good point Khawk4. We certainly cannot afford to be rash. But there comes a time when we need to remember our friends and protect our own; political correctness be damned
I don't doubt that the majority of the world's inhabitants would disagree with me. But I would say they would be wrong. You may call it arrogance. I call it recognizing the obvious.
Completely agree
My point was that these fringe republicans think we either need to build a wall, or start a war, at the slightest sign of distress. Im not in anyway saying you feel that way, just pointing it out in a general sense.
An obvious truth that maybe 5% or less of the entire population of the world agrees with.
I believe that the applicable term here is "willful ignorance".
Then enlighten me so that I may fight willfully against my ignorance. Which country, if it were the strongest in the world, would make for a safer world?
He sounds like my high school football coach. I've slept through a lot of these speeches.
How about a world where many countries are equally strong, and none of them have the ability to unilaterally do whatever they want?
Probably too high-minded of a concept for your ilk.
So the United States is perhaps in a tie for the strongest country title? Maybe right there with Russia and China?
Boy, that sure is high-minded, but I'll do my best to keep up with your line of thought.
So the United States is perhaps in a tie for the strongest country title? Maybe right there with Russia and China?
Boy, that sure is high-minded, but I'll do my best to keep up with your line of thought.
Even if the US is "stronger" (what are the metrics?) than Russia and China; I would venture to say they are powerful enough to not mess with.
We can agree to not agree on a lot of this. That's the nature of HROT. But I think we all would agree, admittedly or not, that the world is safer if the United States is strong enough to not be "messed with".
The United States is safer if the United States is strong enough to not be "messed with".
I don't know where you are getting this world is safer crap. We make portions of the world less safe as a hobby by either installing leaders or destabilizing entire regions.
No where have I said that the U.S. always makes good decisions. In fact, hindsight allows us to look back and see a lot of bad decisions that have made things worse. However, none of this is proof against the premise that the world is safer when the United States is the strongest country in the world.
If you want to change the point of this thread, fine. If the argument is now that the U.S. is not perfect - I'll give you that. But if you're going to argue that the world would be safer if China were the strongest country - or if Russia were the strongest country - I have to call BS.
I have no problem with folks being critical of U.S. policy. Frankly, that's a good thing. But when this criticism turns into disdain for our country, you get the mess we have now with the current administration.
I get it you want the US to have the world's strongest nation belt.
If China or Russia were stronger at the same rate that America is stronger now I doubt anything is different. I'm sure they would just BAU with each other and mess with weaker countries at the same rate that they are now.
Now if a major power was disproportionately stronger I would assume that would not be a good thing for the world.
