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S. Dakota is first state to pass bill restricting transgender students’ bathroom use

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The South Dakota state legislature on Tuesday passed a bill that would require public school students to use the bathroom, shower and locker room that correspond to their biological sex.

If Gov. Dennis Daugaard (R) signs the bill, as expected, South Dakota would become the first state to enact such a law.

The bill has provoked outrage from gay and transgender rights activists, who say it discriminates against transgender children. They say that it could put schools at risk of lawsuits; in 2014, the Education Department issued guidance finding that Title IX, the federal law that requires equal treatment of the sexes in schools, requires that students be permitted to use facilities that match their gender identity.

But the bill’s proponents have argued that the legislation actually matches up better with the original language of Title IX, which requires separate facilities for the sexes. They say it respects privacy while also meeting the needs of transgender students by requiring that schools allow them to use private facilities, such as a teacher’s or nurse’s bathroom.

The bill, which passed the state Senate 20 to 15, is just one example of how the debate over gay and transgender rights has shifted since same-sex couples won the right to marry, state by state at first and then nationally when the Supreme Court ruled that marriage was a constitutional right for gay couples.

Opponents of same-sex marriage have sought to shore up protections for businesses and people who object to such unions on religious grounds. The most high-profile fight on this occurred last spring in Indiana, where lawmakers and the governor were forced to backtrack after the law they crafted was decried as anti-gay.

The victory on marriage has also thrust into center stage the debate over the rights of transgender people, who have gained more social acceptance in recent years but still struggle with discrimination in the workplace and elsewhere.

The issue of transgender people and bathrooms has flared up recently, particularly after Houston voters last year repealed an anti-discrimination ordinance that had been decried as a “bathroom bill.”

The ordinance was designed to give gays, minorities and others an avenue to fight discrimination in employment and other arenas. But critics, citing a provision barring discrimination against transgender people in public accommodations, successfully argued that the measure would give sexual predators access to women’s restrooms.

The issue of transgender people and bathrooms has become particularly charged when it comes to schools. Across the country, districts have adopted varying policies for allowing transgender students the use of sex-segregated locker rooms and bathrooms and membership on sports teams.

In several instances, the policies have led to lawsuits. Earlier this year, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond heard arguments in the case of Gavin Grimm, a transgender 16-year-old barred by his school district from using the boys’ bathroom, which corresponds with his gender identity. The policy required him to use the girls’ restroom or a private restroom.

A federal judge had previously rejected Grimm’s request for a preliminary injunction that would have allowed him to use the boys’ restroom. Grimm and his attorneys with the American Civil Liberties Union appealed the decision.

Dozens of school districts have grappled with this issue, but South Dakota would be the first to make it a matter of state law. About a dozen states are considering similar legislation, according to the Human Rights Campaign.

“I do think that to some extent there is a network of people who are anti-LGBT who are feeling emboldened by the messaging success they enjoyed in Houston and are spreading that to other places,” said Cathryn Oakley, HRC’s senior legislative counsel.

The bill does not carry any penalty for students or schools that violate the law. But the true punishment, Oakley said, is that the schools would probably get snarled in costly legal fights as courts resolve the conflict in state law and the guidance from President Obama’s administration on Title IX.

Oakley and others argue that forcing transgender students to use separate bathroom facilities is not a reasonable accommodation. They say it can be inconvenient for a student to venture far away from his or her classes to a designated bathroom. Moreover, they say, it further stigmatizes the students as different from their peers.

But Matt Sharp, legal counsel for the Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian legal organization that advised the South Dakota legislature on the bill that passed Tuesday, said the attempt to create an accommodation “shows compassion for transgender students” while protecting the privacy of the rest of the student body.

Sharp cited the Virginia legal decision and others as evidence that courts were rejecting the Obama administration’s interpretation of Title IX. Still, he said, schools and districts are concerned because in extreme cases the Education Department could revoke an institution’s federal funding.

To ease their worries, the organization has offered to represent pro bono any district that finds itself in legal trouble over its decision to abide by the new state law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...id=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news:page/in-the-news
 
How in the world does it "discriminate" against transgendered children?

Why is there even a concept of "transgendered children"?

Changing your sex should be an adult decision.
 
SOB! There goes my plan to move to South Dakota, take hormone treatments, and get my creep on in bathrooms.

Oh well. Plan B: I will become a GOP congressman and visit airport bathrooms and stick my penis in glory holes.
 
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Another misleading thread title by ciggy.

Their bathroom use is not restricted at all. They are allowed to use the bathroom as much as they like.

Big win for all of the people with daughters.

Only for the daughters who happen to have been born biologically female.
 
Let's be honest here, if you live in South Dakota and you feel like you're a woman trapped inside a man's body then you have far greater concerns in life than which public restroom you have to use.
 
What does this have to do with being transgendered?

There are many decisions that we don't allow youths to make until they're mature enough. Such decisions include sex, alcohol, tobacco, voting, driving a car.

I believe it's completely logical to expect children to wait until they're mature enough to decide they were born in the wrong body.
 
There are many decisions that we don't allow youths to make until they're mature enough. Such decisions include sex, alcohol, tobacco, voting, driving a car.

I believe it's completely logical to expect children to wait until they're mature enough to decide they were born in the wrong body.

I don't think that's how it works.
 
Let's be honest here, if you live in South Dakota and you feel like you're a woman trapped inside a man's body then you have far greater concerns in life than which public restroom you have to use.
Why not just have all bathroom/restrooms with stalls and get rid of urinals,. Women's bathrooms,with all stalls unless it's a single, are pretty private for the "act" of elimination, either type. And the single restrooms usually can be locked. What is the transgender going to see in a women's restroom with the elimination being done in the stalls?
And if men don't mind a transgender looking on while using a urinal, then keep them.
 
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Love how the Obama administration just re-interprets Title IX however the heck it wants.

I agree with Trad a lot on this. What the heck are we doing, we don't allow people under the age of 21 to legally buy alcohol or drink it but they can decide they where born in the wrong body and have a sex change?

I'm not even as worried about the whole sex predator thing, although it is a concern to me as to how we define who's transgender and who's not.

To me it's the very idea that we can now be something we are not just because we decided that we feel that we should be this and that everyone should now treat us as though we are in fact this thing that we are not.

Where does that end?
 
Only for the daughters who happen to have been born biologically female.

Did you really just type that? This is even "over the top" stupid for you. It sounds like you need to go back to grade school and learn what defines a female and a male.
 
I would say there is a shocking lack of understanding of human development, biology, and sexuality in this thread. But, it's HROT after all. Most schools have a minimally used bathroom that could be converted for transgendered usage with no or minimal cost. Transgendered kids suffer a lot of health issues due to fear of having a good bathroom option.
I give a sad chuckle to those of you who think someone would willingly accept societal scorn to declare themselves transgendered in order to get a thrill out of using an opposite sex bathroom. I think it's been too long since some of you were in high school and saw first hand what happens to kids who are different. I assume that's because some of you were the ones picking on the weak and the different.
 
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SOB! There goes my plan to move to South Dakota, take hormone treatments, and get my creep on in bathrooms.

Oh well. Plan B: I will become a GOP congressman and visit airport bathrooms and stick my penis in glory holes.
sweet! where are said airports?
 
I would say there is a shocking lack of understanding of human development, biology, and sexuality in this thread. But, it's HROT after all. Most schools have a minimally used bathroom that could be converted for transgendered usage with no or minimal cost. Transgendered kids suffer a lot of health issues due to fear of having a good bathroom option.
I give a sad chuckle to those of you who think someone would willingly accept societal scorn to declare themselves transgendered in order to get a thrill out of using an opposite sex bathroom. I think it's been too long since some of you were in high school and saw first hand what happens to kids who are different. I assume that's because some of you were the ones picking on the weak and the different.

Blah, blah, blah. I willingly accepted "societal scorn" by smoking cigarettes in high school. I was punished and humiliated by the authorities for making this choice. I guess I should have screamed that I was being discriminated against based on my identity as a rebellious youth.
 
SOB! There goes my plan to move to South Dakota, take hormone treatments, and get my creep on in bathrooms.

Oh well. Plan B: I will become a GOP congressman and visit airport bathrooms and stick my penis in glory holes.

Are you talking about the "wide stance" incident?

Exaggerating that to "glory holes" is worthy of four Pinocchios.

And the older I get, the more I believe the "wide stance" excuse. It's either that or pee on your shoes.
 
I would say there is a shocking lack of understanding of human development, biology, and sexuality in this thread. But, it's HROT after all. Most schools have a minimally used bathroom that could be converted for transgendered usage with no or minimal cost. Transgendered kids suffer a lot of health issues due to fear of having a good bathroom option.
I give a sad chuckle to those of you who think someone would willingly accept societal scorn to declare themselves transgendered in order to get a thrill out of using an opposite sex bathroom. I think it's been too long since some of you were in high school and saw first hand what happens to kids who are different. I assume that's because some of you were the ones picking on the weak and the different.
Serious question:

Which is worse on average?

1. What happens to a biological male when they use the men's restroom, even though internally they identify as a female.

OR

2. What happens to a biological male when they don't use the men's room even though internally they identify as a female, and instead use a restroom designated for transgendered students.
 
Serious question:

Which is worse on average?

1. What happens to a biological male when they use the men's restroom, even though internally they identify as a female.

OR

2. What happens to a biological male when they don't use the men's room even though internally they identify as a female, and instead use a restroom designated for transgendered students.

You can't "designate" a bathroom for transgendered students. That's the whole point. The activists (and the Obama government) want transgendered students to go into whatever bathroom makes them feel comfortable.

A "Transgendered Only" bathroom brings back reminders of this:

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We're not surprised with the knowledge you've displayed in this thread.

My knowledge is fine. Imagining yourself to be something you are not used to be called a mental disorder. Now people are acting like this should be treated as normal. Well, it's not normal. And it certainly isn't something we should be encouraging children to do.
 
You can't "designate" a bathroom for transgendered students. That's the whole point. The activists (and the Obama government) want transgendered students to go into whatever bathroom makes them feel comfortable.

A "Transgendered Only" bathroom brings back reminders of this:

whites%20only.jpg
"whatever bathroom they want" discriminates against far more children than simply (or not so simply) providing a 3rd option. I'm working on the assumption that's not realistic, and most people who scream "discrimination" all the time will acknowledge that.
 
The South Dakota state legislature on Tuesday passed a bill that would require public school students to use the bathroom, shower and locker room that correspond to their biological sex.

If Gov. Dennis Daugaard (R) signs the bill, as expected, South Dakota would become the first state to enact such a law.

The bill has provoked outrage from gay and transgender rights activists, who say it discriminates against transgender children. They say that it could put schools at risk of lawsuits; in 2014, the Education Department issued guidance finding that Title IX, the federal law that requires equal treatment of the sexes in schools, requires that students be permitted to use facilities that match their gender identity.

But the bill’s proponents have argued that the legislation actually matches up better with the original language of Title IX, which requires separate facilities for the sexes. They say it respects privacy while also meeting the needs of transgender students by requiring that schools allow them to use private facilities, such as a teacher’s or nurse’s bathroom.

The bill, which passed the state Senate 20 to 15, is just one example of how the debate over gay and transgender rights has shifted since same-sex couples won the right to marry, state by state at first and then nationally when the Supreme Court ruled that marriage was a constitutional right for gay couples.

Opponents of same-sex marriage have sought to shore up protections for businesses and people who object to such unions on religious grounds. The most high-profile fight on this occurred last spring in Indiana, where lawmakers and the governor were forced to backtrack after the law they crafted was decried as anti-gay.

The victory on marriage has also thrust into center stage the debate over the rights of transgender people, who have gained more social acceptance in recent years but still struggle with discrimination in the workplace and elsewhere.

The issue of transgender people and bathrooms has flared up recently, particularly after Houston voters last year repealed an anti-discrimination ordinance that had been decried as a “bathroom bill.”

The ordinance was designed to give gays, minorities and others an avenue to fight discrimination in employment and other arenas. But critics, citing a provision barring discrimination against transgender people in public accommodations, successfully argued that the measure would give sexual predators access to women’s restrooms.

The issue of transgender people and bathrooms has become particularly charged when it comes to schools. Across the country, districts have adopted varying policies for allowing transgender students the use of sex-segregated locker rooms and bathrooms and membership on sports teams.

In several instances, the policies have led to lawsuits. Earlier this year, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond heard arguments in the case of Gavin Grimm, a transgender 16-year-old barred by his school district from using the boys’ bathroom, which corresponds with his gender identity. The policy required him to use the girls’ restroom or a private restroom.

A federal judge had previously rejected Grimm’s request for a preliminary injunction that would have allowed him to use the boys’ restroom. Grimm and his attorneys with the American Civil Liberties Union appealed the decision.

Dozens of school districts have grappled with this issue, but South Dakota would be the first to make it a matter of state law. About a dozen states are considering similar legislation, according to the Human Rights Campaign.

“I do think that to some extent there is a network of people who are anti-LGBT who are feeling emboldened by the messaging success they enjoyed in Houston and are spreading that to other places,” said Cathryn Oakley, HRC’s senior legislative counsel.

The bill does not carry any penalty for students or schools that violate the law. But the true punishment, Oakley said, is that the schools would probably get snarled in costly legal fights as courts resolve the conflict in state law and the guidance from President Obama’s administration on Title IX.

Oakley and others argue that forcing transgender students to use separate bathroom facilities is not a reasonable accommodation. They say it can be inconvenient for a student to venture far away from his or her classes to a designated bathroom. Moreover, they say, it further stigmatizes the students as different from their peers.

But Matt Sharp, legal counsel for the Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian legal organization that advised the South Dakota legislature on the bill that passed Tuesday, said the attempt to create an accommodation “shows compassion for transgender students” while protecting the privacy of the rest of the student body.

Sharp cited the Virginia legal decision and others as evidence that courts were rejecting the Obama administration’s interpretation of Title IX. Still, he said, schools and districts are concerned because in extreme cases the Education Department could revoke an institution’s federal funding.

To ease their worries, the organization has offered to represent pro bono any district that finds itself in legal trouble over its decision to abide by the new state law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/s-dakota-is-first-state-to-pass-bill-restricting-trans-kids-bathroom-use/2016/02/16/5cdf8fb6-d4df-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news:page/in-the-news
Let's at least admit the obvious - this is almost entirely a gender identity issue - not what most would consider as biologically transgendered. Activists want to mandate the choice of bathroom based solely on the gender a person claims to identify with - biology be damned. And south Dakota is responding to said issue. Good for them.
 
I would say there is a shocking lack of understanding of human development, biology, and sexuality in this thread. But, it's HROT after all. Most schools have a minimally used bathroom that could be converted for transgendered usage with no or minimal cost. Transgendered kids suffer a lot of health issues due to fear of having a good bathroom option.
I give a sad chuckle to those of you who think someone would willingly accept societal scorn to declare themselves transgendered in order to get a thrill out of using an opposite sex bathroom. I think it's been too long since some of you were in high school and saw first hand what happens to kids who are different. I assume that's because some of you were the ones picking on the weak and the different.

Societal scorn was way worse 25-30 years ago then what it is today. The level of acceptance today is light years ahead of where it was in the 80's and even before that. Time for people to stop playing the victim card and learn to deal with their differences and not expect society to cry them a damn river because their feelings are hurt.
 
My knowledge is fine. Imagining yourself to be something you are not used to be called a mental disorder. Now people are acting like this should be treated as normal. Well, it's not normal. And it certainly isn't something we should be encouraging children to do.
The person is more in need of counseling than accommodation.
 
"whatever bathroom they want" discriminates against far more children than simply (or not so simply) providing a 3rd option. I'm working on the assumption that's not realistic, and most people who scream "discrimination" all the time will acknowledge that.

From OSHA: "no employee should be required to use a segregated facility apart from other employees because of their gender identity or transgender status."

https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3795.pdf

Thanks, Obama.
 
From OSHA: "no employee should be required to use a segregated facility apart from other employees because of their gender identity or transgender status."

https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3795.pdf

Thanks, Obama.
That's dumb, and discriminates against far more people than it would if we just told everyone to use the restroom they were born for.

No matter how female a male wants to be, their Dr. is going to treat them as a man. Truth.
 
Blah, blah, blah. I willingly accepted "societal scorn" by smoking cigarettes in high school. I was punished and humiliated by the authorities for making this choice. I guess I should have screamed that I was being discriminated against based on my identity as a rebellious youth.

How does choosing to smoke cigarettes equate to being transgendered?
 
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