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Science proves Roe v. Wade wrong. Humanity doesn't start at 20 weeks.

Apr 18, 2021
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Two little boys celebrated their first birthdays this summer, one in Minnesota and one in Alabama – miles apart, but with similar stories. Both born at 21 weeks, Richard Hutchinson and Curtis Means were 131 and 132 days premature, respectively.

These tiny but resilient babies weighed just ounces when born, fitting into the palms of their mothers’ hands. They both surpassed all medical expectations and were recognized by the Guinness World Records as the most premature baby to survive; Curtis now holds the title.

Their stories, although record-worthy, are becoming more common as advancements in medicine move back the age at which a child can survive outside his or her mother’s womb. Similarly, advancements in technology confirm that a preborn child is a human being at the point of conception – not magically at 21 weeks – a fact discussed Wednesday at the Supreme Court.

This glimpse of early human life demonstrates its true beginning at fertilization when a baby becomes a unique individual with a gender, ethnicity, hair and eye color – among other traits – immediately determined. By nine weeks, a baby can suck their thumb and swallow.

Dependency doesn't negate humanity​

Not only is it logically inconsistent and unscientific, but it is also immoral to use the arbitrary standard of viability to determine a child’s legal status and, ultimately, worth.

As children, we were each dependent on others for our existence, our nourishment and our survival. Why should a preborn child’s physical dependency on his mother determine whether or not he is protected by law from the lethal violence of abortion?

Why should the court rule that life at 15 weeks is not a life worth saving, but that life at 20 weeks is? There is nothing “potential” about Richard’s humanity at 21 weeks, which existed since conception. Curtis’ life was no less valuable a few weeks before he was born. He was no less human just days before he took his first breath. And he is no more important now, on his first birthday, than he was the first moment he spent in his mother’s womb.

Richard, Curtis and others like them force abortion advocates to acknowledge an inconvenient truth: There is no difference between a 21-week-old baby born prematurely and one that remains inside his or her mother’s womb.

The degree of a child’s dependency does not determine his humanity. If anything, the more vulnerable a child is, the more legal protection they need and deserve.

So regardless of prematurity or “pre-viability” status, human infants, born or in-utero, should be entitled to protection by the same laws that protect the rest of us.

It’s time to trust the science and embrace life.

 
Texas is outlawing abortion at 7 weeks. Show me one case in the history of science that says we anywhere close to having a viable human at that point?

And lets be honest, whether it's 7 weeks or 20 weeks, Rs aren't opposing Roe on scientific merit. It is pure virtue signaling political merit.
 
Texas is outlawing abortion at 7 weeks. Show me one case in the history of science that says we anywhere close to having a viable human at that point?

And lets be honest, whether it's 7 weeks or 20 weeks, Rs aren't opposing Roe on scientific merit. It is pure virtue signaling political merit.
Tell me you didn't read the op without telling me you didn't read it. Lol
 
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In 2003, at the age of 15, Rose founded the anti-abortion group Live Action and began giving presentations to schools and youth groups.[7][11] While at UCLA,[12] she partnered with conservative activist James O'Keefe to conduct undercover videos of abortion providers.[13]

Rose has concentrated her activism on Planned Parenthood and National Abortion Federation affiliates in the United States, focusing on the anti-abortion interpretation of the moral and ethical aspects of abortion and financial issues in the abortion industry. She has also highlighted the high abortion rate in the African-American community.[14]

In 2006, Rose, as a college freshman, conducted her first undercover video investigation on abortion at UCLA's Arthur Ashe Student Health and Wellness Center.[7] Her freshman year she also founded the pro-life student magazine The Advocate.[13]

In 2007, Rose visited two Planned Parenthood facilities in Los Angeles and recorded undercover videos while purporting to be a 15-year-old girl who had been impregnated by a 23-year-old male who was accompanying her, telling staffers she did not want her parents to find out about the relationship. No employee at either clinic objected to the situation, and a receptionist at one facility "told Rose to say she was 16, because if she was 15, the clinic would have to make a report to the police."[15] Rose has posed as an abortion-seeking teen impregnated by an older man in additional stings at Planned Parenthood clinics in Indianapolis, Bloomington, Tucson, Phoenix and Memphis.[7] According to Politico, "Within the anti-abortion community, Rose has been widely lauded for her undercover investigations into abortion clinics."[16]

Rose was featured in an Atlantic October 2018 original short documentary, "Meet the Face of the Millennial Anti-Abortion Movement."[17]

In July 2019, Rose addressed the White House "social media summit" alongside President Donald Trump.[18][19]

 
Texas is outlawing abortion at 7 weeks. Show me one case in the history of science that says we anywhere close to having a viable human at that point?

And lets be honest, whether it's 7 weeks or 20 weeks, Rs aren't opposing Roe on scientific merit. It is pure virtue signaling political merit.

Didn't the SCOTUS eventually block that?
 
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In 2003, at the age of 15, Rose founded the anti-abortion group Live Action and began giving presentations to schools and youth groups.[7][11] While at UCLA,[12] she partnered with conservative activist James O'Keefe to conduct undercover videos of abortion providers.[13]

Rose has concentrated her activism on Planned Parenthood and National Abortion Federation affiliates in the United States, focusing on the anti-abortion interpretation of the moral and ethical aspects of abortion and financial issues in the abortion industry. She has also highlighted the high abortion rate in the African-American community.[14]

In 2006, Rose, as a college freshman, conducted her first undercover video investigation on abortion at UCLA's Arthur Ashe Student Health and Wellness Center.[7] Her freshman year she also founded the pro-life student magazine The Advocate.[13]

In 2007, Rose visited two Planned Parenthood facilities in Los Angeles and recorded undercover videos while purporting to be a 15-year-old girl who had been impregnated by a 23-year-old male who was accompanying her, telling staffers she did not want her parents to find out about the relationship. No employee at either clinic objected to the situation, and a receptionist at one facility "told Rose to say she was 16, because if she was 15, the clinic would have to make a report to the police."[15] Rose has posed as an abortion-seeking teen impregnated by an older man in additional stings at Planned Parenthood clinics in Indianapolis, Bloomington, Tucson, Phoenix and Memphis.[7] According to Politico, "Within the anti-abortion community, Rose has been widely lauded for her undercover investigations into abortion clinics."[16]

Rose was featured in an Atlantic October 2018 original short documentary, "Meet the Face of the Millennial Anti-Abortion Movement."[17]

In July 2019, Rose addressed the White House "social media summit" alongside President Donald Trump.[18][19]

That's awesome. She's a hero
 
A baby has 46 chromosomes and the genetic information to grow and develop as a human being.

Your cum doesn't.
A baby has a functioning brain and at least a few other functioning organs. A baby can survive outside its mother's body. A 6 week embryo cannot.

I agree that my jizz isn't a baby. Which is why I brought it up. It's not a baby. And neither is an embryo. If you want to protect actual babies, I am fully on board. But if you want to protect potential babies, then you have lost me. My jizz has the potential to be a baby, too. Potential doesn't equal reality.
 
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Two little boys celebrated their first birthdays this summer, one in Minnesota and one in Alabama – miles apart, but with similar stories. Both born at 21 weeks, Richard Hutchinson and Curtis Means were 131 and 132 days premature, respectively.

These tiny but resilient babies weighed just ounces when born, fitting into the palms of their mothers’ hands. They both surpassed all medical expectations and were recognized by the Guinness World Records as the most premature baby to survive; Curtis now holds the title.

Their stories, although record-worthy, are becoming more common as advancements in medicine move back the age at which a child can survive outside his or her mother’s womb. Similarly, advancements in technology confirm that a preborn child is a human being at the point of conception – not magically at 21 weeks – a fact discussed Wednesday at the Supreme Court.

This glimpse of early human life demonstrates its true beginning at fertilization when a baby becomes a unique individual with a gender, ethnicity, hair and eye color – among other traits – immediately determined. By nine weeks, a baby can suck their thumb and swallow.

Dependency doesn't negate humanity​

Not only is it logically inconsistent and unscientific, but it is also immoral to use the arbitrary standard of viability to determine a child’s legal status and, ultimately, worth.

As children, we were each dependent on others for our existence, our nourishment and our survival. Why should a preborn child’s physical dependency on his mother determine whether or not he is protected by law from the lethal violence of abortion?

Why should the court rule that life at 15 weeks is not a life worth saving, but that life at 20 weeks is? There is nothing “potential” about Richard’s humanity at 21 weeks, which existed since conception. Curtis’ life was no less valuable a few weeks before he was born. He was no less human just days before he took his first breath. And he is no more important now, on his first birthday, than he was the first moment he spent in his mother’s womb.

Richard, Curtis and others like them force abortion advocates to acknowledge an inconvenient truth: There is no difference between a 21-week-old baby born prematurely and one that remains inside his or her mother’s womb.

The degree of a child’s dependency does not determine his humanity. If anything, the more vulnerable a child is, the more legal protection they need and deserve.

So regardless of prematurity or “pre-viability” status, human infants, born or in-utero, should be entitled to protection by the same laws that protect the rest of us.

It’s time to trust the science and embrace life.

You believing in science now? I am confused.
 
A very small one it does.


"Around week 5, your baby’s brain, spinal cord, and heart begin to develop."
Put that brain in a real baby. What will happen. Hoosier? A vegetable is what will happen. Less than a vegetable. At least a vegetable is self sustaining. That 6 week old brain is so primitive that it can't even control breathing, blood flow, or digestion. Put that brain in a real baby and that baby would die within seconds.
 
A baby has a functioning brain and at least a few other functioning organs. A baby can survive outside its mother's body. A 6 week embryo cannot.

I agree that my jizz isn't a baby. Which is why I brought it up. It's not a baby. And neither is an embryo. If you want to protect actual babies, I am fully on board. But if you want to protect potential babies, then you have lost me. My jizz has the potential to be a baby, too. Potential doesn't equal reality.

You have to do something with your jizz to give it that potential. An embroyo left alone in it's mother will likely grow into a child that will be born.

There are a lot of people who can't survive without being connected to a machine. When are we going to abort them?
 
Put that brain in a real baby. What will happen. Hoosier? A vegetable is what will happen. Less than a vegetable. At least a vegetable is self sustaining. That 6 week old brain is so primitive that it can't even control breathing, blood flow, or digestion. Put that brain in a real baby and that baby would die within seconds.

So what? A born infant's brain can't fully control the infant's limbs and the infant's neck is not strong enough to support the weight of his/her own head.
 
Texas is outlawing abortion at 7 weeks. Show me one case in the history of science that says we anywhere close to having a viable human at that point?

And lets be honest, whether it's 7 weeks or 20 weeks, Rs aren't opposing Roe on scientific merit. It is pure virtue signaling political merit.
It's sad really that you would try and associate concern for a life with political motives. I guess that says a lot about you.
 
Two little boys celebrated their first birthdays this summer, one in Minnesota and one in Alabama – miles apart, but with similar stories. Both born at 21 weeks, Richard Hutchinson and Curtis Means were 131 and 132 days premature, respectively.

These tiny but resilient babies weighed just ounces when born, fitting into the palms of their mothers’ hands. They both surpassed all medical expectations and were recognized by the Guinness World Records as the most premature baby to survive; Curtis now holds the title.

Their stories, although record-worthy, are becoming more common as advancements in medicine move back the age at which a child can survive outside his or her mother’s womb. Similarly, advancements in technology confirm that a preborn child is a human being at the point of conception – not magically at 21 weeks – a fact discussed Wednesday at the Supreme Court.

This glimpse of early human life demonstrates its true beginning at fertilization when a baby becomes a unique individual with a gender, ethnicity, hair and eye color – among other traits – immediately determined. By nine weeks, a baby can suck their thumb and swallow.

Dependency doesn't negate humanity​

Not only is it logically inconsistent and unscientific, but it is also immoral to use the arbitrary standard of viability to determine a child’s legal status and, ultimately, worth.

As children, we were each dependent on others for our existence, our nourishment and our survival. Why should a preborn child’s physical dependency on his mother determine whether or not he is protected by law from the lethal violence of abortion?

Why should the court rule that life at 15 weeks is not a life worth saving, but that life at 20 weeks is? There is nothing “potential” about Richard’s humanity at 21 weeks, which existed since conception. Curtis’ life was no less valuable a few weeks before he was born. He was no less human just days before he took his first breath. And he is no more important now, on his first birthday, than he was the first moment he spent in his mother’s womb.

Richard, Curtis and others like them force abortion advocates to acknowledge an inconvenient truth: There is no difference between a 21-week-old baby born prematurely and one that remains inside his or her mother’s womb.

The degree of a child’s dependency does not determine his humanity. If anything, the more vulnerable a child is, the more legal protection they need and deserve.

So regardless of prematurity or “pre-viability” status, human infants, born or in-utero, should be entitled to protection by the same laws that protect the rest of us.

It’s time to trust the science and embrace life.


Well...this is a troll..

and Trumpkins don't believe in Science. So we dont believe you.
 
You have to do something with your jizz to give it that potential. An embroyo left alone in it's mother will likely grow into a child that will be born.

There are a lot of people who can't survive without being connected to a machine. When are we going to abort them?
You have to do something with an embryo, too. Leave it in the mother for an absolute minimum of 21 weeks. Any less and it dies.

And once again, not one organ is functional in that 6 week old embryo. Nothing on it works. Not the heart, not the brain, not the spinal cord, not the eyes, ears, circulatory system, digestive system, immune system, skeletal, muscular, nervous, or any other system or organ. None of it is functional. There is not one person on planet earth who has had every system and organ non functional and yet still lived.
 
So what? A born infant's brain can't fully control the infant's limbs and the infant's neck is not strong enough to support the weight of his/her own head.
See my above post. Something has to be in working order. But with the 6 week old, absolutely nothing is.
 
My simple take on this is that the long accepted 24 week fetal viability threshold needs to be adjusted to account for current medical technology,.. Is 15 weeks the number?, I don't know,.. but 24 weeks no longer seems reasonable..
 
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In 2003, at the age of 15, Rose founded the anti-abortion group Live Action and began giving presentations to schools and youth groups.[7][11] While at UCLA,[12] she partnered with conservative activist James O'Keefe to conduct undercover videos of abortion providers.[13]

Rose has concentrated her activism on Planned Parenthood and National Abortion Federation affiliates in the United States, focusing on the anti-abortion interpretation of the moral and ethical aspects of abortion and financial issues in the abortion industry. She has also highlighted the high abortion rate in the African-American community.[14]

In 2006, Rose, as a college freshman, conducted her first undercover video investigation on abortion at UCLA's Arthur Ashe Student Health and Wellness Center.[7] Her freshman year she also founded the pro-life student magazine The Advocate.[13]

In 2007, Rose visited two Planned Parenthood facilities in Los Angeles and recorded undercover videos while purporting to be a 15-year-old girl who had been impregnated by a 23-year-old male who was accompanying her, telling staffers she did not want her parents to find out about the relationship. No employee at either clinic objected to the situation, and a receptionist at one facility "told Rose to say she was 16, because if she was 15, the clinic would have to make a report to the police."[15] Rose has posed as an abortion-seeking teen impregnated by an older man in additional stings at Planned Parenthood clinics in Indianapolis, Bloomington, Tucson, Phoenix and Memphis.[7] According to Politico, "Within the anti-abortion community, Rose has been widely lauded for her undercover investigations into abortion clinics."[16]

Rose was featured in an Atlantic October 2018 original short documentary, "Meet the Face of the Millennial Anti-Abortion Movement."[17]

In July 2019, Rose addressed the White House "social media summit" alongside President Donald Trump.[18][19]


That's awesome. She's retarded
^ I’m with Kee.
 
See my above post. Something has to be in working order. But with the 6 week old, absolutely nothing is.

The neural tube continues to grow, but around week 6 or 7, Gaither says it closes, and the cephalad portion (aka the rudimentary brain) separates into three distinct parts: front brain, midbrain, and hindbrain.

It’s also during this time that neurons and synapses (connections) begin to develop in the spinal cord. These early connections allow the fetus to make its first movements.

(Same source)

The brain is starting to move limbs at that age. Uncoordinated of course but something is working.
 
You have to do something with an embryo, too. Leave it in the mother for an absolute minimum of 21 weeks. Any less and it dies.
As you know, the work for the mother - or caregiver - is just beginning at birth.

A baby needs nourishment, shelter, necessary medical care, etc. . Any less and it dies.
 
The neural tube continues to grow, but around week 6 or 7, Gaither says it closes, and the cephalad portion (aka the rudimentary brain) separates into three distinct parts: front brain, midbrain, and hindbrain.

It’s also during this time that neurons and synapses (connections) begin to develop in the spinal cord. These early connections allow the fetus to make its first movements.

(Same source)

The brain is starting to move limbs at that age. Uncoordinated of course but something is working.
None of it is functional, though. It's the same argument with these so called "heartbeat" bills. A mass of cardiac cells is not a heart. And a mass of neural cells is not a brain. Under no scientific measure is a 6 week old brain functional. It can do precisely no work to independently sustain the attached body. The mother's body must still do literally everything to keep that embryo alive.
 
My simple take on this is that the long accepted 24 week fetal viability threshold needs to be adjusted to account for current medical technology,.. Is 15 weeks the number?, I don't know,.. but 24 weeks no longer seems reasonable..
Totally onboard with this.
 
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