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SEC and PAC12 are DOMINATING the NCAA Tournament; Big 12 & ACC Vastly Overrated?

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******Conference Records heading into the Final Four******

The SIX Major Basketball Conferences:

1. PAC 12 (10-3, .769)
Teams Still Alive (1): #3 Oregon (Midwest)

2. SEC (11-4, .733)
Teams Still Alive (1): #7 South Carolina (East)

3. Big 12 (9-6, .600)
Teams Still Alive (0)

4. Big 10 (8-7, .533)
Teams Still Alive (0)

5. ACC (9-8, .529)
Teams Still Alive (1): #1 North Carolina (South)

6. Big East (6-7, .462)
Teams Still Alive (0)


Other Team(s) making up the Final 4:
#1 Gonzaga (West)

Source: http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...ow-every-conference-has-fared-ncaa-tournament



******Conference Records Heading into the Elite 8******

The SIX Major Basketball Conferences:

1. SEC (10-2, .833)
Teams Still Alive (3): #2 Kentucky (South), #4 Florida (East), #7 South Carolina (East)

2. PAC 12 (9-3, .750)
Teams Still Alive (1): #3 Oregon (Midwest)

3. Big 12 (9-5, 643)
Teams Still Alive (1): #1 Kansas (Midwest)

4. Big 10 (8-7, .533)
Teams Still Alive (0)

5. Big East (6-6, .500)
Teams Still Alive (1): #11 Xavier (West)

6. ACC (8-8, .500)
Teams Still Alive (1): #1 N Carolina (South)

Other Team(s) making up the Elite 8:
#1 Gonzaga (West)

Source: http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...ow-every-conference-has-fared-ncaa-tournament



******Conference Records heading into the Sweet 16******

The SIX Major Basketball Conferences:

1. PAC 12 (8-1, .889)
Teams Still Alive (3): #2 Arizona (West), #3 Oregon (Midwest), #3 UCLA (South)

2. SEC (7-2, .778)
Teams Still Alive (3): #2 Kentucky (South), #4 Florida (East), #7 South Carolina (East)

3. Big 12 (8-3, 727)
Teams Still Alive (3): #1 Kansas (Midwest), #3 Baylor (East), #4 West Virginia (West)

4. Big 10 (8-4, .667)
Teams Still Alive (3): #4 Purdue (Midwest), #7 Michigan (Midwest), #8 Wisconsin (East)

5. Big East (5-5, .500)
Teams Still Alive (2): #4 Butler (South), #11 Xavier (West)

6. ACC (7-8, .467)
Teams Still Alive (1): #1 N Carolina (South)


Other Team(s) making up the Sweet 16:
#1 Gonzaga (West)

Source: http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...ow-every-conference-has-fared-ncaa-tournament
 
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Hmmmm. Facts. What are the talking heads going to do? Oh yah--fake news. No problem. Spin doctors up all night. :rolleyes:

And if it weren't for the refs, the BIG could have another team still alive. Gonzaga was gaggin', and along came the refs who couldn't see an arm sticking out of the cylinder, or the foul. Nice work, NCAA.
 
What's not shown here though are the records against the other power 5/6. I would bet the B1G would be # 1 right now as we only have a single win against a small conference team. I think we are 5-1 against the power 5/6. As an example the PAC 12 has played 1 power 5/6 team... USC v Providence.
 
If you aren't giving credit for teams that beat SMU, St Mary's, Middle Tennessee and eventually Rhode Island and Wichita State; your arbitrary records lose credibility.
 
HeRKeYHoPeFuL said:
If you aren't giving credit for teams that beat SMU, St Mary's, Middle Tennessee and eventually Rhode Island and Wichita State; your arbitrary records lose credibility.
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He's looking at head to head matchups with the power conferences. Probably a better determinant for which conference is the best. The Gonzaga losses, or the wins you speak of, are valuable in an overall view of the Tournament. Both worthwhile to look at, but two different things.

The Big Ten could really use at least one win today over either Louisville or Kansas. That would go a long way to establish a very respectful showing. In my view, it would settle the matter about the Big Ten being "down" at this moment. No top eight type teams? Still to be determined. But a deep league, as we all knew, oh yeah.

Imagine the unlikely but still possible result of four Big Ten teams in the Sweet Sixteen? 25% of the field. At that point I think the college basketball world would have to consider the Big Ten the best, top to bottom, conference in the Nation...or at least one of 'em as clearly the PAC12 and SEC would still have an argument. (One I'd wonder about.)

What does it all mean? Not much. Just like the eventual winner of the Tournament, everything just gets set back to zero next year and we do it all over. But! As a measure of future success, to think about some of the teams we beat like Wisconsin and Michigan, Purdue, it does expose yet another fair reason to be excited that Iowa is headed in a very enjoyable direction.

Just think. We do lose Jok. But our one contributing junior this year was Uhl. Our sophomore and especially freshmen filled team was fighting for a 10-8 conference finish in not just a "down" Big Ten. But at least a respectable league and still to be determined but maybe one of the best leagues in the country!

It is a lot of extrapolation. But from facts. It does mean something. How much is up to the individual examining the data.

Me? Just like a Kenpom algorithm, every time I see a team we beat, or at least played, in the Big Ten win a game in this tournament? My view of the Hawkeyes and their future shoots up.
 
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The ACC and the Big East are giving basketball
on the East Coast a bad name in this NCAA tourney.
Yet, the talking heads at ESPN continue to hype
those two conferences. Hopefully, the Final Four
will have a MIdwest and West Coast flavor.
 
The results show that Syracuse had no business in NCAA. Iowa should have been in, except for the Indiana game killed us.
 
PAC 12 should have the best record as they have 3 great teams and none of the bubble teams from that conference didn't make it, even though i thought California would make it.

Why every year the so called best conference doesn't do well in the tourney, The ACC still has time to redeem themselves and win it all.
 
luvmyhawks said:
Yeah. In all seriousness, the big 12 has done ok. Now the big east and acc. Talk about overrated.
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For sure, especially if Louisville, loses to Michigan. If kansas and Baylor lose, we can certainly add the big 12 to the overrated conference list.
 
My bracket isn't busted except Villanova i had in the finals so far I've gotten all the B10 teams correct but had Wisconsin losing to Villanova.

Had Michigan in sweet 16, and Purdue i think that's it no teams in the elite 8 though.

B10 surprising some teams, also it's this round or sweet 16 is when Kansas losses so Sparty has a good chance.

West Virginia is the best in the B12, also team I had going far in tourney. Did two brackets had them in elite 8 in one and final four in another. I only did like 3 changes in my two brackets.

West Virginia I always have going far, yet they always ruin my bracket I'm happy they didn't this year.
 
Kansas would win half the conference titles in the B10, ACC maybe 3 in the last 13 years. Atleast 11 in the PAC 12, Arizona would get 1 or 2. SEC probably half, split with Kentucky.

I just can't figure out how it's possible Kansas has won 13 titles in a row, they haven't always been great every year.

How many final fours have they had in those 13 years? Just wondering because it seems like it's been awhile
 
JoBo will break the all time 3 point record by his junior year he is amazing shooter and got better every game.

Such a pretty shot like jok.
 
15 of the Sweet 16 come from the Power 6 basketball conferences.

The other team? Gonzaga.


Break down of the Power 6 Basketball Conferences:

1. PAC 12 (8-1, .889)
Teams Still Alive (3): Arizona, Oregon, UCLA

2. SEC (7-2, .778)
Teams Still Alive (3): Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina

3. Big 12 (8-3, 727)
Teams Still Alive (3): Baylor, Kansas, West Virginia

4. Big 10 (8-4, .667)
Teams Still Alive (3): Purdue, Wisconsin, Michigan

5. Big East (5-5, .500)
Teams Still Alive (2): Butler, Xavier

6. ACC (7-8, .467)
Teams Still Alive (1): N Carolina
 
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I predicted that Michigan win, duke losing in 2nd round but to the 10th seed I believe forget who it was now. I said a few days ago Duke wasn't getting past the first weekend, a lot agreed with me on here.

Dick vitale needs to be fired, he had in the elite 8 all 1s vs 2s, guy is an idiot I'm glad his ACC/Dukies suck. It's the curse of the best conferance in basketball. The last time a Conferance was called the best conference is basketball and did well in the tourney was the B10 5 seasons ago i believe.

Just shows you these guys dont know anymore about basketball than we do i feel a lot of fans are smarter and know more than the talking heads . We as Fans have the balls to pick the upsets, which they don't just like Obama who always had like 3 upsets in his bracket. There's 10-15 upsets,'find them!! Isn't thst what you get paid to do.

Vegas won a lot since 13 percent of idiots picked Duke to win it all. Sad part only one ACC team is in the sweet 16, they had a lot of high seeds lose like Duke,Louisville both 2s. Florida state a 3,and more.

B10 had it rough with a 8,7,4 advancing. Also maybe a 8 if Northwestern didn't get hosed!
 
Let's break down the Sweet 16 by conf. and by seeding.

ACC had 8 teams in the Tourny. 4 of them were seeded to be sweet 16 (UNC, Duke, Louisville, and FSU), and , only 1 made it - UNC as a 1 seed. (they had two 2 seeds and one 3 seed not make it) OVERRATED!
Big 10 had 7 teams selected. 1 of them was seeded to be sweet 16 (Purdue), and we got 3 teams in as 4,7, and 8 Seeds.... well done Big Ten, well done!
Big 12 had 6 teams selected. 3 of them were seeded to be sweet 16 (Kansas, Baylor, and West Virginia) and they all advanced as seeded.
PAC12 had 4 teams selected. 3 of them were seeded to be sweet 16 (Arizona, UCLA, and Oregon) and they all advanced as seeded.
Big East had 6 teams selected. 2 seeded to be sweet 16 (Villinova, and Butler), only Butler advanced
SEC had 5 teams selected. 2 seeded to be sweet 16 (Kentucky and Florida), they got 3 to sweet 16 with South Carolina adv. as a 7 seed (but I can still hear the Dukies crying that South Carolina got to play a home game... thank you North Carolina Republicans!)

I'd say the Big 10 has really overachieved based on seeding, and the ACC well let's see how this gets spinned by ESPN????

The other conf. really played to their seeding pretty well SEC 1 better, BigEast 1 less.
 
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Its amazing that this year 15 of the Sweet 16 come from the 6 major basketball conferences. It was almost 16 of 16, if not for the controversial end to the N'western/Gonzaga game.
 
FairfIowafan1984 said:
I predicted that Michigan win, duke losing in 2nd round but to the 10th seed I believe forget who it was now. I said a few days ago Duke wasn't getting past the first weekend, a lot agreed with me on here.

Dick vitale needs to be fired, he had in the elite 8 all 1s vs 2s, guy is an idiot I'm glad his ACC/Dukies suck. It's the curse of the best conferance in basketball. The last time a Conferance was called the best conference is basketball and did well in the tourney was the B10 5 seasons ago i believe.

Just shows you these guys dont know anymore about basketball than we do i feel a lot of fans are smarter and know more than the talking heads . We as Fans have the balls to pick the upsets, which they don't just like Obama who always had like 3 upsets in his bracket. There's 10-15 upsets,'find them!! Isn't thst what you get paid to do.

Vegas won a lot since 13 percent of idiots picked Duke to win it all. Sad part only one ACC team is in the sweet 16, they had a lot of high seeds lose like Duke,Louisville both 2s. Florida state a 3,and more.

B10 had it rough with a 8,7,4 advancing. Also maybe a 8 if Northwestern didn't get hosed!
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You want to fire a guy based on tournament picks? That's weird. I'm not a DV fan but that's some misplaced anger there.
 
I thought the BiG and Pac performed better than expected. The Big XII went pretty much according to form -- all six teams played to their seeds, and two of the losses could have gone either way.
 
It seems like there is always a bias in favor of east coast teams. Big East and ACC teams are often seeded too high. The record for the B1G is impressive considering most teams were playing much higher seeds in the second round.
 
What stands out most is the acc falling flat on it's face. The conference that had been described as the toughest all season long by most talking heads only gets one team to the sweet 16. That's a major fail.
 
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From CBS Sports.com:


Pac-12
2017 NCAA Tournament record: 8-1

Teams remaining: Arizona, UCLA, Oregon

The Pac-12 has the fewest losses of any multi-bid league. The question heading into the NCAAs was: How good are its three best teams? The league rated worse than the SEC. When these three teams haven’t played each other, Arizona, UCLA and Oregon are 35-0 against everyone else since the end of January. It’s ridiculous.

Arizona got a push from Saint Mary’s, as expected. Now Sean Miler tries to make his third Elite Eight in four years. Oregon probably should have lost to Rhode Island, but Tyler Dorsey, people. Tyler Dorsey. UCLA had a nice fight from Kent State, then was able to impose its strength on a really good Cincinnati team. Now these three teams have interesting but different matchups in the Sweet 16. I would be surprised if the Pac-12 doesn’t have at least two teams playing Saturday or Sunday. Zona, Oregon and UCLA have carried the league, basically, and continue to do so. Ironically, the Pac-12 rates the worst of any of the big six, but no conference’s top three were as strong as this 1-2-3. The first weekend of the tournament reaffirmed that.


SEC
2017 NCAA Tournament record: 7-2

Teams remaining: Kentucky, Florida, South Carolina

No league enhanced its reputation more in the past week than the SEC, which has outperformed seed expectations and done an overall script-flip. But this is a fine example of why we shouldn’t overreact in March. Truth is, the SEC was the nation’s fifth-best league this season. Sometimes, the breaks go your way. Matchups mean a lot. Kentucky came close to losing to Wichita State. Vanderbilt maybe should have beaten Northwestern, if not for a mishap foul by Matthew Fisher-Davis when the Commodores were up one late. Florida proved its value by handling its business in a big way.

And then there’s South Carolina, which was boosted by playing its games in-state and getting the best game-over-game performance from anyone in the tournament. Sindarius Thornwell has been awesome. The SEC Player of the Year backed it up against Marquette and Duke. It’s a weird world where the SEC outperforms the ACC so dominantly in the tournament (South Carolina’s win over Duke as the defining element), but that comes along with the tournament’s terrific unpredictability.


Big 12
2017 NCAA Tournament record: 8-3

Teams remaining: Kansas, Baylor, West Virginia

The Big 12 has done well for itself. Kansas cruised through its first two games, West Virginia looked particularly affirmative in beating Notre Dame, and Baylor made its fourth Sweet 16 since 2010. The Bears got a scare from Southern California, but now they are matched up against South Carolina, and stand to make the third Elite Eight of Scott Drew’s career. No league was better against top-100 competition in nonconference play than the Big 12. Iowa State went down proudly, playing a great one against Purdue. Oklahoma State lost 92-91 in a thriller against a Michigan team that hit 11 second-half 3-pointers. What can you do?

It would be fitting if at least one made the Final Four, but all three remaining teams have real reason to believe they can get to Phoenix. Kansas gets to roll through Kansas City in the Midwest. West Virginia’s style gives the Mountaineers a distinct opportunity against Gonzaga and the rest of the West Region. And Baylor is now the highest-seeded team left in the crapshoot East.


Big Ten
2017 NCAA Tournament record: 8-4

Teams remaining: Purdue, Michigan, Wisconsin

After a weird season and a clogged middle of the standings, the Big Ten has come out A-OK. Purdue has played to its seed expectation, while Michigan and Wisconsin exceeded. The over/under for Big Ten teams getting to the Sweet 16 was most certainly something like .5. The best team (Purdue) and the team thought to be the best in the preseason (Wisconsin) have navigated their way to the second weekend.

The Big Ten took some understandable hits. Indiana hit an injury-affected tailspin. Ohio State had a second straight down season. Michigan State was unusually just OK (again: injuries). Illinois missed the tournament again. And yet, the tournament can redeem. What would really be a boon is if one of these three teams managed to make it to Phoenix. If Purdue and Michigan win their next games, it’s a guarantee: They’re both in the Midwest.


Big East
2017 NCAA Tournament record: 5-5

Teams remaining: Butler, Xavier

You can say this, and it’s a good thing for the Big East: Its best team and the only one considered a national title threat, is out -- yet the conference has done well in the bracket. A .500 mark is respectable. My baseline: If you can get two teams to the Sweet 16, no matter how big your league or how many bids, that’s a good season. Just take it. Ask the ACC. That league would still be getting dinged, but not nearly as much, had Duke or Louisville managed to merely play to seed expectation and win their first two games.

The Big East has two programs that are known for stability in March. Butler is seeded higher than ever. Xavier played its style against Maryland, then embarrassed No. 3 Florida State. House money from here on out. The Musketeers have to play No. 2 Arizona and the Bulldogs have to play No. 1 North Carolina. It has been a good season for the Big East, the nation’s third-best conference this season.


ACC
2017 NCAA Tournament record: 7-8

Team remaining: North Carolina

The ACC sent the second most teams to the tournament in history, with only the Tar Heels still standing. By comparison, last year the league was 12-1 with six teams in the Sweet 16. This is a financial disaster for the conference, which was expecting millions in NCAA Tournament units but has a sub-.500 record. There was discussion and debate about the historical strength of the ACC this season. To sputter out of the tourney’s first weekend obviously eliminates the league from any conversation among all-time best conferences. When you didn’t even rate as the toughest conference by metrics (Big 12), then fail to get two teams into the regional semifinals, that argument is settled.

This also serves as a reminder that the tournament is a fantastic machine of randomness. If you played out this exact field of 68 another 10,000 times, how often would only one ACC team make the Sweet 16? I would guess about 2 percent of the time, so this was aberrational. But getting kicked in the gut eight times rightfully brings the league down a notch. Blowout endings for Virginia, Florida State and Miami hurt, too.

I don’t think the league was overrated, just overstated.
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Link: http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...cc-is-terrible-pac-12-is-best-sec-gets-boost/
 
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Makes you wonder if what helps fuel the bias now is also that they see those from conferences like the Big East and ACC, who they regard as royalty defecting in recent years to the B1G (Rutgers and Maryland), and feel like they need to keep propping up the east coast teams that much more so that they as higher seeded teams are more likely to advance in the tourney, and they hope fuel less of them to depart these conferences in the future. The B1G, by having their tourney in DC this year, through moves like that is threatening those east coast Power conferences' power over there. One more reason that the next generation of coaches with roots in these conferences (like Chris Collins at NW) not do well that perhaps has their coaching ranks move more heavily towards the B1G when needed too.
 
Franisdaman said:
******Updated heading into the Sweet 16******

The SIX Major Basketball Conferences:

1. PAC 12 (8-1, .889)
Teams Still Alive (3): #2 Arizona, #3 Oregon, #3 UCLA

2. SEC (7-2, .778)
Teams Still Alive (3): #2 Kentucky, #4 Florida, #7 South Carolina

3. Big 12 (8-3, 727)
Teams Still Alive (3): #1 Kansas, #3 Baylor, #4 West Virginia

4. Big 10 (8-4, .667)
Teams Still Alive (3): #4 Purdue, #7 Michigan, #8 Wisconsin

5. Big East (5-5, .500)
Teams Still Alive (2): #4 Butler, #11 Xavier

6. ACC (7-8, .467)
Teams Still Alive (1): #1 N Carolina

Source: http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...ow-every-conference-has-fared-ncaa-tournament
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Didn't the 'mighty ACC' set a record for invites this year?
...with expectations they'd fill the Elite 8 or something?

:eek:
 
Franisdaman said:
ACC is now dead last o_O
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After ESPN lauded the strength and quality of the ACC all year, and watching Grayson Allen continue to mature (j/k), I have to wonder how they are dealing with all of that "Fake News".

I question ESPN's ability to fairly assess each conference in a fair and balanced way. I will only watch ESPN to catch the remaining NIT games when I can. I'll watch Pete compete on the 30th in the 3 point contest. I think that's about it.

I have a good assortment of sports channels on my overpriced cable service, and I subscribe to BTN2GO online, so there you go.

I'm glad the BIG is doing well, and we'll continue to get better. Hope to see one or more in the Final Four.

As for ESPN, who claimed that the BIG was down this year and that the ACC was the real deal, I'll say this to them: Maybe next year, baby!
 
UNC coach Williams: 'ACC still the best league'
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    Myron MedcalfESPN Staff Writer

MEMPHIS -- Although his North Carolina squad is the only ACC team in the Sweet 16 -- nine of the original 68 teams in the field hailed from the conference -- Roy Williams still believes his league is the best in America.

"This year, I was convinced we were by far the best league, but we haven't shown it in the tournament," Williams told reporters in Memphis on Thursday, the day before his Tar Heels face Butler in the Sweet 16. "I don't know if either [the league's record in the tourney or the regular season] are the only way to gauge, but it's a very, very strenuous schedule. It's exhausting trying to play in the ACC with 15 ... playing those 18 games is a marathon, but you have to sprint through it. I think the ACC is still the best league."

Entering Selection Sunday, when Florida State (3), North Carolina (1), Duke (2) and Louisville (2) all received favorable seeds, many pegged the ACC as America's top conference. But the league stumbled in the opening rounds, and eight of the nine ACC teams lost. Xavier, an 11-seed, beat Florida State by 25 points in the second round. Virginia registered just 39 points in a loss to Florida at the same stage. Duke led by double digits early in the second half but suffered a seven-point loss to South Carolina, a 7-seed, in the second round.

North Carolina point guard Joel Berry II said the league's best suffered losses in tough games but that does not mean, however, the ACC failed this season.

"That's why they call it March Madness," Berry said. "Anything can happen. It's one game. Just some teams just didn't have their best games on the day that they played, and they don't get another chance. Winner stays and loser goes home. It's hard to say, you know, that the other teams are better, but it just so happened that the other teams came to play that day, and they just had a good day."

Link: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...s-coach-roy-williams-says-acc-best-conference
 
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